What will it take to make the Stafford trade worth it in your opinion?

[FarNorth]

Goff made some nice plays in that SB run but overall did not play well at all.
The Rams didn't make it to SB on Goffs shoulders. They made it as a team.
Don't take my word for it go look at the stats.
Nothing against Goff but the weight in which SB wins and loss are put on QB's is beyond insane.

Hmm... Goff leading the Rams from behind to win the NFC championship at the toughest venue with the toughest crowd in the NFL to get us to the Super Bowl doesn't count for much I guess. And let's not even talk about Stafford in the playoffs.

 

[VegasRam]

Anyone that thinks Goff was being ‘micro managed’ is a moron.
yeah, I said it.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Oh now it’s getting personal?

Carry on

 

[Corbin]

Yet, my post discussed one specific game: New Orleans. And yes, his performance that day was very much great. He outplayed Drew Brees. Pretty damn impressive for a young QB in his first NFCCG.

Seriously in 100 parallel universes they called that penalty 99 other times. The one for tu are time we live in this timeline! Lol

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

For Stafford to succeed, Corbett needs to be better than Blythe, Henderson and Jones need to stay healthy and learn how to pick up the biltz; and DeSean jackson needs to play like he did 5 years ago.

Stafford feels pressure and moves better in the pocket than Goff does. That's a big advantage to the last few years.

No. Those fans are the worst. Only way I give anybody shit is if Goff takes the Lions further than the Rams are taken by Stafford. And in that scenario, my shit-giving would be reserved to a couple people who earned it. There's no reason to be one of those bitter people who spend all their energy crapping on the team. I'll be hoping for the best and rooting for the Rams.

No, that works because I had an expectation that Goff would take us into the playoffs and we just traded him and a number of picks to upgrade. So the upgrade should be able to deliver more. That doesn't mean Stafford needs to win a Super Bowl this year. But if he never even gets us there, yeah, I'll question the wisdom of the trade.

The wisdom is in getting better QB play from a QB that can do everything that McVay asks him to.

Well we better hope so, because Blythe was the weak link that was continually expoilted

To me it’s a little alarming that the Corbett option was also available last year yet apparently McVay didn’t think pressure up the middle was a problem (psych, of course he knew this) They are literally trotting out the same cast whom were available last year minus Blythe

This next part now is not directed to Bubba but to a few others;

If I may clarify (tho I’m not sure why) anyone believing McVay didn’t micro manage our QBs last year may wanna look up the definition, lol, one could argue he micro managed poor Wolfy to the hospital

That being said, I did not introduce the word victim, no that was “jump to conclusion“ guy(s)

I did say that micro management does tend stunt ones growth (ie the micro “managee“ so to speak)

Fair enough?

I don't think it was micromanaging in a negative sense. The Rams never reach the Superbowl without McVay holding Goffesque hand. If it wasn't necessary then he wouldn't have done it. He wasn't micromanaging Wolford. Goff needed it, especially after playing under Fisher.

Team needs don't influence player availability. The Rams could still have those picks and still be screwed at finding this legitimate QB. There are teams who kept their draft picks that took years to find or are still looking for one.

Good point. McVay was convinced Goff couldn't get it done. He was even willing to start Wolford. That speaks volumes and nobody here knows more about what McVay wanted/needed/expected Goff to do, than McVay did. So, the Rams got their QB in the trade. I said it in the Stafford/Goff trade thread, I love how this team knows what it wants and gets it done, beating other teams to the punch.

We hope, but we don't know.

But, it is a very good question to consider for those who may expect one man to get a TEAM to a Super Bowl.

Better QB play was the real goal of the trade. People like to complicate it or put as impossible of an expectation on Stafford as they can in hopes that if he fails they can say "I told you so".

 

[jrry32]

The wisdom is in getting better QB play from a QB that can do everything that McVay asks him to.

That's certainly the goal. And if we can go deep into the playoffs with a QB who purportedly can't, I think it's reasonable to expect us to be a Super Bowl contender with a QB who can.

 

[XXXIVwin]

If the Rams didnt trade for Stafford, yes I would feel like the team was going to challenge for a Superbowl this season. Who wouldnt have? Injured Goff had them down only 7 late, Akers was coming on strong, the defense was gutted with a 50% AD.
Yup, the bar for this season was raised. Is it really that complicated?

Count me among those who disagree with this post.

IMHO Goff was just way, way inconsistent in 2020, and that meant our chances of going all the way were pretty damn slim.

Quick and dirty summary of Goff's 2020 season:

played well or very well vs Dal, Phil, 2nd half BUF, Wash, NYG, 1st Sea game, Chi, TB, NE, 1st Cards game.

played poorly or shit the bed in 1st half BUF, both SF games, Mia, 2nd SEA game, NYJ.

When your QB has that many shitty games, it's usually a sign that your team just isn't going all the way.

Of course I was a homer and held out hope the Rams could win it all last year. But deep down I knew they were just too damn inconsistent to pull it off. And yeah, if they hadn't made the trade, I wouldn't have been very optimistic with Goff as our QB.

And as to the GB game, let's take off the homer glasses for a sec. Yes, there was a brief glimmer of hope late in the game when the Rams trimmed the deficit. But overall, GB dominated that game pretty comfortably.

Bottom line, I'm super stoked that the Rams upgraded at the QB position. And no, I would not have been stoked going into 2021 with Goff as our QB. Sorry to say but that catastrophic INT vs Sea (the floater late in the second game) ruined my faith in him, and I've been off the Goff bandwagon ever since.

Just my 2 cents

Go Rams

 

[kurtfaulk]

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why do i get a kurt warner feeling here?

posters denigrating our recently departed qb and other posters feel obliged to defend him.

things could get out of hand.

luckily there are actual mods here. but how much fat will they have to trim when things get out of hand?

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[TexasRam]

Super Bowl or bust.

Goff already got them to the Super Bowl and if not for two dropped TD's would have won brought home the Lombardi.

When you give up premium draft capital and a 26 year old QB that the players voted #32 and #38 best player in the NFL back to back years - for a veteran QB with the same QB rating and zero playoff wins, you are either acting impulsively or a genius that is about to win the Super Bowl.

When the chips are down, sometimes you push them all in and hope you land the ace.

Whether Stafford is that ace we shall find out very soon.

It will certainly define the Mcsnead legacy either way.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Dallas? Sure. But the running game was steamrolling them. New Orleans? Nah. Goff played a great game, regardless of what the numbers say. Hat's off to the defense and Zuerlein too on that day (even if NRC got lucky), but Goff was great.

Agreed that Goff played great in the NFCCG.

Probably my favorite play was the last completion when the NO defender broke free and got into Goff's face, but somehow he twisted around and got it off to Higbee, to set up the game winning FG.

Goff showed a lot of awareness and the ability to make teams pay for the blitz. Sadly, for whatever reason, Goff's ability to handle the blitz has regressed significantly since then. IMHO.

Here's Goff's highlight reel vs NO. His last 2 completions-- both under heavy pressure and to Higbee-- were clutch.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qCjmVHJLBkg

 

[kurtfaulk]

Agreed that Goff played great in the NFCCG.

Probably my favorite play was the last completion when the NO defender broke free and got into Goff's face, but somehow he twisted around and got it off to Higbee, to set up the game winning FG.

Goff showed a lot of awareness and the ability to make teams pay for the blitz. Sadly, for whatever reason, Goff's ability to handle the blitz has regressed significantly since then. IMHO.

Here's Goff's highlight reel vs NO. His last 2 completions-- both under heavy pressure and to Higbee-- were clutch.


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qCjmVHJLBkg

that wasn't great, that was shit. @CoachAllred told us so.

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[Elmgrovegnome]

That's certainly the goal. And if we can go deep into the playoffs with a QB who purportedly can't, I think it's reasonable to expect us to be a Super Bowl contender with a QB who can.

Like ppl have already said there are too many variables at play to reasonably use that as a gauge to make the trade a success. Is a Super Bowl an expectation? Yes.

Beating the Niners, and winning the division are more realistic starting points. Those are two things that I think better QB play could have changed last year.

 

[RamFan503]

Anyone that thinks Goff was being ‘micro managed’ is a moron.
yeah, I said it.

Probably could have said it differently - yeah?

 

[Loyal]

Probably could have said it differently - yeah?

That post was definitely like making a pizza with Canadian bacon with no pineapple!

 

[AvengerRam]

The answer is 42.

 

[Loyal]

The truth is that making a questionable move with so many weeks of nothing between OTA's and Training Camp and the regular season. We need action to answer questions in this thread, Maybe the Booby thread is where we should discuss things?

 

[VegasRam]

Probably could have said it differently - yeah?

Yeah. Overreaction on my part.

 

[dieterbrock]

Count me among those who disagree with this post.

IMHO Goff was just way, way inconsistent in 2020, and that meant our chances of going all the way were pretty damn slim.

Quick and dirty summary of Goff's 2020 season:

played well or very well vs Dal, Phil, 2nd half BUF, Wash, NYG, 1st Sea game, Chi, TB, NE, 1st Cards game.

played poorly or shit the bed in 1st half BUF, both SF games, Mia, 2nd SEA game, NYJ.

When your QB has that many shitty games, it's usually a sign that your team just isn't going all the way.

Of course I was a homer and held out hope the Rams could win it all last year. But deep down I knew they were just too damn inconsistent to pull it off. And yeah, if they hadn't made the trade, I wouldn't have been very optimistic with Goff as our QB.

And as to the GB game, let's take off the homer glasses for a sec. Yes, there was a brief glimmer of hope late in the game when the Rams trimmed the deficit. But overall, GB dominated that game pretty comfortably.

Bottom line, I'm super stoked that the Rams upgraded at the QB position. And no, I would not have been stoked going into 2021 with Goff as our QB. Sorry to say but that catastrophic INT vs Sea (the floater late in the second game) ruined my faith in him, and I've been off the Goff bandwagon ever since.

Just my 2 cents

Go Rams

i shake my head at how folks cant discuss Stafford without bringing up Goff. Its truly amazing.
After they lost, McVay could have announced Wolford was going to be the QB and I'd have felt they'd be SB contenders. I dont understand why so many people are afraid that Stafford wont be successful, and are making excuses for him already. Really weird.
If they arent SB contenders, it would be a disappointment, and combined with the outcome of the draft pick they surrendered, we can honestly evaluate.
Fortunately, we wont have to have that discussion because Stafford is going to be a Boss and there will be no argument that the trade was worth it.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Of course, but not having them makes it even harder. I mean that should be obvious.

It was, as was the point made hopefully.

 

[Loyal]

i shake my head at how folks cant discuss Stafford without bringing up Goff. Its truly amazing.
After they lost, McVay could have announced Wolford was going to be the QB and I'd have felt they'd be SB contenders. I dont understand why so many people are afraid that Stafford wont be successful, and are making excuses for him already. Really weird.
If they arent SB contenders, it would be a disappointment, and combined with the outcome of the draft pick they surrendered, we can honestly evaluate.
Fortunately, we wont have to have that discussion because Stafford is going to be a Boss and there will be no argument that the trade was worth it.

No shame in my game, Stafford will succeed.