What happened to our OL?

[Riverumbbq]

Wait what did I miss when did our OLine become shit and something to worry about?

Did you miss the retirement of Whitworth & the loss of Corbett to free agency, or the overhyped Bruss being out for the season. Did you miss that this loss of depth was replaced by a very late 7'th rounder and a UDFA ? Did you notice that Evans is still in position for a roster spot, ... perhaps we should look up our old pal Jamil Demby and see what he's doing ? Have you noticed the lack of production for our RB's ?
I don't believe many have called our OLine 'shit', but a few have some reservations about where it's going and whether we have the depth to get us back to the 'Show'.
jmo.

 

[OldSchool]

Did you miss the retirement of Whitworth & the loss of Corbett to free agency, or the overhyped Bruss being out for the season. Did you miss that this loss of depth was replaced by a very late 7'th rounder and a UDFA ? Did you notice that Evans is still in position for a roster spot, ... perhaps we should look up our old pal Jamil Demby and see what he's doing ? Have you noticed the lack of production for our RB's ?
I don't believe many have called our OLine 'shit', but a few have some reservations about where it's going and whether we have the depth to get us back to the 'Show'.
jmo.

I noticed Whit retired and we've groomed Noteboom for years to take his place and he has the full confidence of McVay, Kromer, Coen and his fellow OL as well as the guy who replaced him so if this is the issue that's just looking for drama.

Corbett was an average guard who nobody thought was good before he won the starting job this time last year. If this is the drama that we have to worry about I'm ok not being in the drama club.

Bruss was drafted to compete for the RG job with a couple people one of which won the job. No issue there though his injury is unfortunate. No drama here that I can tell.

Rookie late round and UDFA are potential depth? Oh no whatever will we do being just the other 31 teams. DembyLOL really digging for a reason to freak out about the OL if you gotta bring up his name.

Was Evans ever counted on? He was somebody you were counting on this year? First person I've seen say that.

Our backup OL not getting enough push against 2nd team D and 1st team D is reason to worry about our starting OL?

People haven't seen our starting OL in a game. A couple have seen them in practice where they couldn't really block and those guys have no problem. If any team loses 2 or 3 starting OL they're in trouble Rams included. As with our WR room people are over reacting, as they always do, this time of training camp.

Acurri by all reports keeps getting better. Shelton has won the RG job and Kolone has gotten better by the day at Center and Guard. A lot of people worried about the OL were talking Jackson up as a potential starting LT. Anchrum has gotten rave reviews by everybody watching the games and practices. All that considered I'm supposed to worry about the OL?

 

[Riverumbbq]

If last year, at this time, before we got a chance to see the Rams' starting O-Line, with Corbett and Allen, the Rams had made the type of trade for an O-Lineman that you are suggesting now, then the Rams would not have been able to acquire Von Miller later-on.

I am only pushing back on an Isaiah Wynn acquisition because it seems like a poor fit given position, need, cost and cap space. Like I said, I like Wynn a lot. I also posted some concern over the O-Line; and said above that I would be happy with a Teven Jenkins type of acquisition. Another one might be Solomon Kindley of the Dolphins.

The Rams didn't need OL last year, so that expense wasn't necessary. What the Rams really required was a RB, and they traded away two draft picks and assumed Sony Michel's CAP. Just saying that teams do what they must to stay competitive. Sure a RB is cheaper than an offensive lineman or an Edge, but our CAP was pretty tight last year as well, although they still traded two more draft picks away for Von Miller, and the bulk of his CAP costs were built into his incentives which came out of our current 2022 CAP.
I'll repeat, I'm not frozen on acquiring Wynn, but I do believe a high caliber player who can help our run game and potentially replace Edwards next season would be highly beneficial. jmo.

 

[Riverumbbq]

All that considered I'm supposed to worry about the OL?

OK Mr. Neuman, I believe you've covered it all.

 

[Allen2McVay]

The Rams didn't need OL last year, so that expense wasn't necessary.

Last year, at this point-in-time, there was a ton of concern here about the Rams' O-Line and whether it was good enough. The Rams front office and coaching staff thought so, and they were right. But on this Forum, there was a lot of concern.

My point was there did not need to be as much concern last year at this time; so, perhaps concern is not warranted this time either.

Again, I also have O-Line concerns; and did even before Bruss' injury. However, last year at this time, I hated the idea of Brian Allen starting at center.

We have the same concerns and hopes.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Last year, at this point-in-time, there was a ton of concern here about the Rams' O-Line and whether it was good enough. The Rams front office and coaching staff thought so, and they were right. But on this Forum, there was a lot of concern.

My point was there did not need to be as much concern last year at this time; so, perhaps concern is not warranted this time either.

Again, I also have O-Line concerns; and did even before Bruss' injury. However, last year at this time, I hated the idea of Brian Allen starting at center.

We have the same concerns and hopes.

I'd rather have concerns than regrets, so I'm still hoping for an OL upgrade.
Last years OL concerns were somewhat misplaced, mostly that came from Evans' complete failure at RG which had the domino effect of moving Corbett back to the position after previously being announced as the starting Center to replace Allen, ... then of course, Allen magically reappeared and all was well. It was a scary time for fans, and sure, I'd like to hope that it will be just that easy again this season, although I have severe doubts. jmo.

 

[BonifayRam]

Wait what did I miss when did our OLine become shit and something to worry about?

This brand new reconstructed starting OL has NOT been seen in action with other NFL teams. What evidence is there just on how this OL will perform?

I believe everyone knows that the nine OL'ers we have been watching are battling for MR53 reserve positions to start the regular season. The preseason observed OL play has not been smooth & operationally effective.

Of this new make-up starting OL most have 3 questionable pauses in most knowledgeable fan minds.

#1- Joe Noteboom 3 back-to-back to-back seasons of long-term injury history. JN does not have a full season as a starter on his resume. Last season he finished the 2021 season on the IR which would be 2nd IR event in 2021 alone. He is replacing our best-performing OL'er since 2017. Big Shoes!

#2- Brian Allen now entering his 5th season has one solid season as a starter. He mostly missed two seasons due to injury with missed time. He also was affected & bothered most of the later half-season with an elbow injury.

#3- Coleman Shelton has been an MR53 for 3 seasons & only started two gms. This will be his first season as a starting OL'er.

I certainly have not read any specific posts on the OL that say this entire 2022 OL is Nor have I seen any that would lead us to think that these 9 Reserve OL'ers are all turned to . I do find that Rookies OL'er Snyder & Arcuri promising. I also like the solid 2 preseason gms by Brewer @ LG.

The conversations above have been mixed with the good, the bad & the Ugly (Evans). Yes as of late we have been discussing pessimistic & gloomy concerns so I can see how why you would have thought & posted your above comments above.

I have put down many posts that do convey concern & worry about half of these reserve OL'ers & concerns about where they could fit into the overall OL scheme.

Do you disagree with any of my opinions & negative positions on selected OL'ers other than Jeremiah Kolone? I do not want him on this MR53 roster. Which of these opinions do you feel differently about?

 

[den-the-coach]

Offensive line (8)
Joe Noteboom
David Edwards
Brian Allen
Coleman Shelton
Rob Havenstein
A.J. Jackson
Tremayne Anchrum Jr.
A.J. Arcuri

It will be close between Brewer & Arcuri, but Arcuri's ability to play LT gives him the edge. Plus Jackson & Anchrum can play Guard too. FWIW, after Bruss went down and Brewer went to LG & Anchrum moved to RG the Offensive Line got much better IMHO.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

Last year, at this point-in-time, there was a ton of concern here about the Rams' O-Line and whether it was good enough. The Rams front office and coaching staff thought so, and they were right. But on this Forum, there was a lot of concern.

My point was there did not need to be as much concern last year at this time; so, perhaps concern is not warranted this time either.

Again, I also have O-Line concerns; and did even before Bruss' injury. However, last year at this time, I hated the idea of Brian Allen starting at center.

We have the same concerns and hopes.

I think they all stayed relatively healthy all year too? In 2019 there were a lot of hidden injuries we learned about after the season ended, like Hav's.

My main concern is putting it all on Staff's shoulders to rescue the situation every single time, not that he's not capable. We should be able to create a hole or lane once in a while in critical moments.

 

[OldSchool]

This new reconstructed starting OL has NOT been seen in action with other NFL teams. What evidence is there just on how this OL will perform?

I believe everyone knows that the nine OL'ers we have been watching are battling for MR53 reserve positions to start the regular season. The preseason observed OL play has not been smooth & operationally effective.

Of this new make-up starting OL we have 3 undeniable questionable that linger in most knowledgeable fan minds.

#1- Joe Noteboom 3 back-to-back to-back seasons of long-term injury history. JN does not have a full season as a starter on his resume. Last season he finished the 2021 season on the IR which would be 2nd IR event in 2021 alone. He is replacing our best-performing OL'er since 2017. Big Shoes!

#2- Brian Allen now entering his 5th season has one solid season as a starter. He mostly missed two seasons due to injury with missed time. He also was affected & bothered most of the later half-season with an elbow injury.

#3- Coleman Shelton has been an MR53 for 3 seasons & only started two gms. This will be his first season as a starting OL'er.

I certainly have not read any posts on the OL that would lead that these 9 OL'ers are all turned to . The conversations above have been mixed with the good & the very bad. I have put down many posts that do convey concern & worry about half of these reserve OL'ers & concerns about where they could fit into the overall OL scheme.

Do you disagree with any of my opinions & negative positions on selected OL'ers? Which of these opinions do you feel differently about?

I don't think there's anything to worry about with our starting OL at this point in time. I've not seen any reports out of camp as I stated above where our starting OL was bad in fact the opposite is true.

What I think I find most humorous about all this hand wringing is we're just one year away from a large chunk of this board being very hostile to anybody who questioned this front office and coaching staffs moves. Now a lot of those same people are on here really worried about the OL when we've seen nothing as of yet to warrant any worry from the starting OL.

Trust in McVay and Snead! They trust in Noteboom so give me a reason to worry!

Trust in McVay and Snead! They trust in Allen, and gave both these guys big contracts!

Trust in McVay and Snead! They had an open competition for RG and seem to have given it to Shelton! Should I not be ok with their decisions?

We haven't seen the starting OL in action and likely won't until September 8th. If they're bad then sure have concerns about them, but why start that now?

 

[OldSchool]

OK Mr. Neuman, I believe you've covered it all.

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[Riverumbbq]

I'll take that any day over this guy.


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I'll guess that if conveying the message that it's of my opinion that the OL is more worrisome to me than any of our other team units, and for you that means I'm suggesting we are doomed, then go for it champ.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I'd rather have concerns than regrets ...

Regrets?

I've had a few.

But then again, too few to mention.

Do you know why?

 

[AvengerRam]

Of the people who are expressing extreme worry regarding the OL, how many did the exact same thing 12 months ago?

 

[OldSchool]

I'll guess that if conveying the message that it's of my opinion that the OL is more worrisome to me than any of our other team units, and for you that means I'm suggesting we are doomed, then go for it champ.

And I guess me conveying that I'm not worried about the OL elicits insults and comparisons to a cartoon character then go for it champ.

I asked a question about why there was so much worry about our oline and got a snarky response but I'm the bad guy I get it. I don't worry about things in the preseason. I don't over value guys based on glorified practices in the preseason and I don't assign the end of other guys careers for bad performances in the same game.

 

[BuffaloRam]

Evans looks disinterested out there. When a player who has been around as long as he has can't seal a fucking edge to the outside on a run play it's time to cut his ass.

Well - he can be disinterested for someone else. Get outta here!!!

 

[BonifayRam]

Offensive line (8)
Joe Noteboom
David Edwards
Brian Allen
Coleman Shelton
Rob Havenstein
A.J. Jackson
Tremayne Anchrum Jr.
A.J. Arcuri

It will be close between Brewer & Arcuri, but Arcuri's ability to play LT gives him the edge. Plus Jackson & Anchrum can play Guard too. FWIW, after Bruss went down and Brewer went to LG & Anchrum moved to RG the Offensive Line got much better IMHO.

Do you not have any concern over having all your reserves being OT's? None of them had any starts in college in the interior. Matter of fact none in the regular season NFL either. I would prefer not to go in this direction den.

I agree fully with you on #6 & #7 OT's but an OG who has some TC-centering action is a must, so 3 yr OG Chandler Brewer is a big need in this blending of this reserve cadre @ #8.

I am also of the opinion that AJ Arcuri's solid performance @ LT against many of the starters in the Texan defense caught the eye of many other NFL teams. I would secure him on the MR53 as #9 at the beginning of the regular season. Arcuri might have a future here as a swing OT!

I am hoping Carberry makes major changes to his starting OL in the final preseason gm. Here's what I would like to see:

First Half/ Second Half
LT-Jackson/ Arcuri
LG-Snyder / Brewer
OC-Brewer/ Snyder
RG-Anchrum/ Jackson
RT-Arcuri/ Brewer

I do not want to see Evans or Kolone on the field!

Alaric Jackson's work @ RG is so inconstant swinging back & forth from bad to good from play to play. He sure needs reps @ RG. If Carberry was to cut Brewer. Jackson thus far has been working in just 2 posts LT/RG.

Chandler Brewer has been getting mega snaps @ LG previous seasons he played a large amount of both OT posts & RG...time to let him get some time @ center for a half.

Rookie Jack Snyder is impressive. I get him a full game of snaps @ LG then center. Rookie AJ Arcuri gets to swing @ both OT posts.

I don’t think there are 160 quality NFL O-Linemen.

I would agree with you 100%. Injuries attack this unit more than any other in the NFL. Snead drafted 2 OL'ers this season. He needs to increase this to 3 OL'ers (3 interiors- OG/OC) next season in an effort to get quality in here blocking for an older worn uncomfortable arm QB.

Best most teams can hope for is five good starters, and two capable and versatile reserves.

Snead should strive to have the same type of top 7 OL'ers in his Ol as he had in 2021. He does not have that this season.

 

[bubbaramfan]

Last year VRF and I went into TC worried about Corbett starting at C., but after the 3rd day it was aparrent Allen had bulked up and kicked ass at C. We said as much in our early camp reports.

This year at TC it only took a couple days of 11 on 11 that Noteboom was ready at LT and Bruss was not at RG. It was also aparrant Anchrum and Jackson are ready to step in.

After watching over 300 snaps of 1st team O vs 1st team D I'm not worried about the OL. Noteboom looked good

Another thing I never mentioned in my camp reports is this past TC they ran way more 1st team vs 1 team snaps than in past years. McVay gave them plenty of work because he knew they wern't going to play in pre-season.

This OL group is as deep as any I have seen coming out of TC.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Last year VRF and I went into TC worried about Corbett starting at C., but after the 3rd day it was aparrent Allen had bulked up and kicked ass at C. We said as much in our early camp reports.

This year at TC it only took a couple days of 11 on 11 that Noteboom was ready at LT and Bruss was not at RG. It was also aparrant Anchrum and Jackson are ready to step in.

After watching over 300 snaps of 1st team O vs 1st team D I'm not worried about the OL. Noteboom looked good

Another thing I never mentioned in my camp reports is this past TC they ran way more 1st team vs 1 team snaps than in past years. McVay gave them plenty of work because he knew they wern't going to play in pre-season.

This OL group is as deep as any I have seen coming out of TC.

So can I infer from your estimate of the OL that the RB corp should be a good deal more productive than last year ?

 

[oldnotdead]

The Rams couldn't run with Whitworth and Corbett, so the whole premise of this thread is off. Noteboom will be a fine LT who has garnered praise from Coaches and even Havenstein. He's played in 17 games which is a whole season. One of those injuries was not his fault when someone falls on his leg while playing a position he has never played in his life. Blame Kromer for his outdated idiotic need to play people out of position.

The weak link last year and continues to be Edwards at LG. He's a poor run blocker and an inconsistent pass blocker. Two years straight he's been the lowest-rated member of the OL for good reason. Yet people here ignore his poor play just like they did with Blythe. Corbett played well as a LG but Kromer in his "wisdom" switch him to RG incorrectly assuming the positions are interchangeable. Once he was moved to RG Austin's limitations were exposed. Was he moved back? Nope, Kromer doubled down and started Edwards at LG who has struggled ever since.

From what I saw of his play at UW, Shelton has the mental mindset to play RG. He plays nasty with an attitude, something Corbett never did. He has better field awareness than Corbett, able to diagnose and pick up stunts. He's also better at blocking on the second level.

The problem with Anchrum is his lack of length. Because of it, blocked passes could be an issue. Carberry needs to get Snyder up to par ASAP.

Bruss was always going to be a work in progress this year. He played OT and OG in college so his technique was pretty fundamental. That would have been a limitation all year. He can use his injury time as a redshirt year to study film and absorb lessons in technique. I expect Bruss to compete for a starting position next year and win it, because I think he will be a fixture for a long time in LA.

I fully expect the Rams to sign someone as a backup OG when teams cut down to their final rosters.