What happened to our OL?

[So Ram]

This brand new reconstructed starting OL has NOT been seen in action with other NFL teams. What evidence is there just on how this OL will perform?

I believe everyone knows that the nine OL'ers we have been watching are battling for MR53 reserve positions to start the regular season. The preseason observed OL play has not been smooth & operationally effective.

Of this new make-up starting OL most have 3 questionable pauses in most knowledgeable fan minds.

#1- Joe Noteboom 3 back-to-back to-back seasons of long-term injury history. JN does not have a full season as a starter on his resume. Last season he finished the 2021 season on the IR which would be 2nd IR event in 2021 alone. He is replacing our best-performing OL'er since 2017. Big Shoes!

#2- Brian Allen now entering his 5th season has one solid season as a starter. He mostly missed two seasons due to injury with missed time. He also was affected & bothered most of the later half-season with an elbow injury.

#3- Coleman Shelton has been an MR53 for 3 seasons & only started two gms. This will be his first season as a starting OL'er.

I certainly have not read any specific posts on the OL that say this entire 2022 OL is Nor have I seen any that would lead us to think that these 9 Reserve OL'ers are all turned to . I do find that Rookies OL'er Snyder & Arcuri promising. I also like the solid 2 preseason gms by Brewer @ LG.

The conversations above have been mixed with the good, the bad & the Ugly (Evans). Yes as of late we have been discussing pessimistic & gloomy concerns so I can see how why you would have thought & posted your above comments above.

I have put down many posts that do convey concern & worry about half of these reserve OL'ers & concerns about where they could fit into the overall OL scheme.

Do you disagree with any of my opinions & negative positions on selected OL'ers other than Jeremiah Kolone? I do not want him on this MR53 roster. Which of these opinions do you feel differently about?

WTF - Bonifay’d!

Brian Allen again? Wasn’t he on the All Pro runner up list last season.I know now Ram Fans are getting on the Tutu Atwell band club.

Can we get a Humphries chant.I mean dude could(can) have played RG for The Rams if not being a All-Pro center.

Point being Noteboom & Allen are proven Pro Players. They both got resigned. Coleman Shelton has proven to be a solid swing player imo like a little bigger version of Austin Blythe.

How good Coleman Shelton is as a starting RG is the real & only if from what The Rams have had starting the last 3 seasons.

Big Rob Havienstien is The Rams Leader upfront. In case anyone hasn’t said it or want to DOUBT this guy(Oldbutnotdead) then here is what I SAW.

Rob Havenstien is In The Best Shape of his CAREER. He has BULKED UP & has really worked hard on his drop step & keeping relaxed on his way back. Whitworth & Carberry have him dialed in.
The Rams coaching staff is doing an excellent job there as well.

 

[So Ram]

The Rams couldn't run with Whitworth and Corbett, so the whole premise of this thread is off. Noteboom will be a fine LT who has garnered praise from Coaches and even Havenstein. He's played in 17 games which is a whole season. One of those injuries was not his fault when someone falls on his leg while playing a position he has never played in his life. Blame Kromer for his outdated idiotic need to play people out of position.

The weak link last year and continues to be Edwards at LG. He's a poor run blocker and an inconsistent pass blocker. Two years straight he's been the lowest-rated member of the OL for good reason. Yet people here ignore his poor play just like they did with Blythe. Corbett played well as a LG but Kromer in his "wisdom" switch him to RG incorrectly assuming the positions are interchangeable. Once he was moved to RG Austin's limitations were exposed. Was he moved back? Nope, Kromer doubled down and started Edwards at LG who has struggled ever since.

From what I saw of his play at UW, Shelton has the mental mindset to play RG. He plays nasty with an attitude, something Corbett never did. He has better field awareness than Corbett, able to diagnose and pick up stunts. He's also better at blocking on the second level.

The problem with Anchrum is his lack of length. Because of it, blocked passes could be an issue. Carberry needs to get Snyder up to par ASAP.

Bruss was always going to be a work in progress this year. He played OT and OG in college so his technique was pretty fundamental. That would have been a limitation all year. He can use his injury time as a redshirt year to study film and absorb lessons in technique. I expect Bruss to compete for a starting position next year and win it, because I think he will be a fixture for a long time in LA.

I fully expect the Rams to sign someone as a backup OG when teams cut down to their final rosters.

I knew you were around. Could be right with signing someone ?

I guess again, could someone be signed off of The Rams ? I don’t know?

Then again I like your Shelton break down. I do like AJ Jackson at RG.

Anybody else ? Actually which is weird & not knowing the1 on1 game match ups in the preseason.Arcuri looked good at LT & Jackson has looked better at guard than tackle.

That is just the way I have seen it so far. Saturday will be a bigger tell.

 

[So Ram]

Last year VRF and I went into TC worried about Corbett starting at C., but after the 3rd day it was aparrent Allen had bulked up and kicked ass at C. We said as much in our early camp reports.

This year at TC it only took a couple days of 11 on 11 that Noteboom was ready at LT and Bruss was not at RG. It was also aparrant Anchrum and Jackson are ready to step in.

After watching over 300 snaps of 1st team O vs 1st team D I'm not worried about the OL. Noteboom looked good

Another thing I never mentioned in my camp reports is this past TC they ran way more 1st team vs 1 team snaps than in past years. McVay gave them plenty of work because he knew they wern't going to play in pre-season.

This OL group is as deep as any I have seen coming out of TC.

IMO both Noteboom & Havenstien looked Great In training camp. Big Rob gas totally taken over as The team leader.
I saw him go after Copeland a couple of times after the whistle as well. I know you had to see the difference from Years past.
You have seen him starting at RT how many times as A Rams In training camps?

 

[So Ram]

So can I infer from your estimate of the OL that the RB corp should be a good deal more productive than last year ?

Yes - I guess my question to you would be.

What do you think of this Rams rookie RB Williams? Where did you have him rated in the 2022 draft.

I saw Marshall Faulk talking about Williams being The Best RB in the 2022 draft for The Rams.

This was before the draft & I think the fit was The Rams 3rd rd draft pick order & his fit with them.

 

[So Ram]

It sucks because of the lost time in terms of development.
But, hopefully, he can follow the Allen track.
Get stronger through the process and time of recovery.
Take the time to really understand the offense, schemes and execution of his role.
Long term, I think Bruss certainly shows promise.
I was hoping he could step in right away and start.....but, that wasn't going to happen. But, he wasn't terrible by any stretch in his first action.
Noteboom, Allen, Edwards.....the Rams didn't really rush any of these guys. They took time to develop them.
I would have had Kolone gone nearly as soon as he arrived.
The Rams took their time and it appears he has improved greatly.
Anchrum is another player they have taken time to develop.
Its more of an old school approach with the OL and I get it.

Awesome post Fearsomefour!

 

[Kupped]

My concerns & hopes are no one claims any of The Rams young Offensive Lineman in Arcuri & Snyder.

Snyder though as if your looking through a blind eye won’t notice his talents. Maybe my eyesight is ALL messed up from drinking to much of The Rams Kool-aide.

IMO & probably mine only(Rams front office?) , that Bruss,Arcuri, & Snyder are the future upfront.

In my defense I only watched one on one’s vs. D’Lineman(do Rams edge rushers suck?) & those guys showed up & held there own. It was only a 10 minute drill,but intense competition.

Then the 3 came out after practice after walk throughs & worked drill with a coach.Then signed autographs.

Those 2 rookies looked as good if not better than Bruss.They priced to me they all gave nice NFL futures.

Yes- I’ve seen them all since Havenstien & Jamon Brown. Even that guy Robinson who was a joke.That long hair guy from Kansas. Snyder fixed his hair like a PRO when on the field. I respect his toughness,work ethic & skill level.
IMO Snyder is a guy like Shelton who can play Guard,but will be a NFL center. I also think learning from Kolone for a season helps him develop at a nice pace. Plus he has less film to be stock away on the practice squad.
I really like his Size & body type.He just needs to get stronger.Was glad he got blasted against a D’Lineman against Houston.

I think there's a decent chance Arcuri is lineman #8 on the Rams this year. He has a lot of work to do.. but you can see the makings of an NFL offensive tackle.
Snyder is the kind of guy who will develop, but I think he makes it to the practice squad this year. Maybe not next year, but this year, I think is too early in his career. to be on a 53.

 

[OldSchool]

Stink breaking it down. Everybody should pay attention to this guy more often.


View: https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1563204661741776896

 

[den-the-coach]

I think there's a decent chance Arcuri is lineman #8 on the Rams this year. He has a lot of work to do.. but you can see the makings of an NFL offensive tackle.
Snyder is the kind of guy who will develop, but I think he makes it to the practice squad this year. Maybe not next year, but this year, I think is too early in his career. to be on a 53.

I concur here and I believe going with 8 OL allows the Rams to carry 3 QB's & 8 WR's although they might classify Harris as a TE. Chandler Brewer could also make the team, being that he can play both Tackle & Guard, whereas Arcuri is a tackle only, but when it shakes out unless the Rams add another OL from someone who is cut, it should shake out this way on the final 53.

1. Joe Noteboom
2. David Edwards
3. Brian Allen
4. Coleman Shelton
5. Rob Havenstein
6. A.J. Jackson
7. Tremayne Archrum
8. A.J. Arcuri

 

[RamDino]

I concur here and I believe going with 8 OL allows the Rams to carry 3 QB's & 8 WR's although they might classify Harris as a TE.

I am still having a hard time keeping 3 QB's on the roster. Do we really care if one of them gets plucked from the practice squad? And if that happens, couldn't Snead just pluck someone else's practice squad QB if Stafford gets hurt? I don't know...

 

[OldSchool]

I concur here and I believe going with 8 OL allows the Rams to carry 3 QB's & 8 WR's although they might classify Harris as a TE. Chandler Brewer could also make the team, being that he can play both Tackle & Guard, whereas Arcuri is a tackle only, but when it shakes out unless the Rams add another OL from someone who is cut, it should shake out this way on the final 53.

1. Joe Noteboom
2. David Edwards
3. Brian Allen
4. Coleman Shelton
5. Rob Havenstein
6. A.J. Jackson
7. Tremayne Archrum
8. A.J. Arcuri

I hesitant about depth at guard with that list.

 

[dang]

I worry about depth at guard with that list.

Yeah. I’m guessing the Rams pick up an OG from cuts or perhaps trade.

 

[Riverumbbq]

I concur here and I believe going with 8 OL allows the Rams to carry 3 QB's & 8 WR's although they might classify Harris as a TE. Chandler Brewer could also make the team, being that he can play both Tackle & Guard, whereas Arcuri is a tackle only, but when it shakes out unless the Rams add another OL from someone who is cut, it should shake out this way on the final 53.

1. Joe Noteboom
2. David Edwards
3. Brian Allen
4. Coleman Shelton
5. Rob Havenstein
6. A.J. Jackson
7. Tremayne Archrum
8. A.J. Arcuri

I believe the Rams will carry a 9'th OLineman. My other concern still remains with a potential injury to either Allen or Shelton, ... are we really sure that Kolone should start as a first team Center following such an event ?

 

[dang]

I believe the Rams will carry a 9'th OLineman. My other concern still remains with a potential injury to either Allen or Shelton, ... are we really sure that Kolone should start as a first team Center following such an event ?

I agree but as pick up from another teams cuts or a trade.

 

[Riverumbbq]

I agree but as pick up from another teams cuts or a trade.

I'm not convinced a waiver cut acquisition will deliver higher quality depth than what we already have on the interior with Anchrum, Brewer or even Kolone for that matter, although you never know. My solution for improving the OL while simultaneously helping our rush attack likely requires a trade. jmo.

 

[den-the-coach]

I hesitant about depth at guard with that list.

Well, Jackson has been playing guard too. If you keep Brewer over Arcuri, Brewer has the ability to play Guard.

 

[den-the-coach]

I believe the Rams will carry a 9'th OLineman. My other concern still remains with a potential injury to either Allen or Shelton, ... are we really sure that Kolone should start as a first team Center following such an event ?

Well, if not, then you need to find somebody else. The key is, I believe they would move Shelton to Center if Allen is hurt and then Anchrum or Jackson to Guard. If either Allen or Shelton is out an extended period of time, then if not Kolone, maybe Jack Snyder would be ready.

 

[den-the-coach]

I am still having a hard time keeping 3 QB's on the roster. Do we really care if one of them gets plucked from the practice squad? And if that happens, couldn't Snead just pluck someone else's practice squad QB if Stafford gets hurt? I don't know...

Given that option I keep Perkins over Wolford. Perkins appears more durable and has the ability to run for yardage instead of just keeping the play alive. Perkins might be limited passing, but so be it.

 

[BonifayRam]

I believe the Rams will carry a 9'th OLineman. My other concern still remains with a potential injury to either Allen or Shelton, ... are we really sure that Kolone should start as a first team Center following such an event ?

Agree on the 9 OL'ers at least for the first few weeks after the season starts.

Ref. your second sentence ...me too.

If the Rams go with what @den-the-coach is suggesting with only 8 OL'ers, and all primarily OT's ....... the plan would have to be for Carberry to flip 3 yr starting LG David Edwards to starting RG & put in a call to Andrew Whitworth in preparation to start the rest of the season @ LG next to Noteboom. Carberry will be in trouble for a reserve center if either Allen or Shelton are hurt.
Answer to your question on OL'er Jeremiah Kolone ....absolutely NOT!

 

[Riverumbbq]

Well, if not, then you need to find somebody else. The key is, I believe they would move Shelton to Center if Allen is hurt and then Anchrum or Jackson to Guard. If either Allen or Shelton is out an extended period of time, then if not Kolone, maybe Jack Snyder would be ready.

If this were the 2023 season and not 2022 then I might be more convinced that Snyder, Kolone or a new Center were ready to assume the reigns. I agree that Shelton would be our first man up for Center if Allen goes down, but then our interior becomes extremely vulnerable unless it's only for a game or two. My concerns revolve around OL injury, depth and an ability to prolong Stafford's career with a viable rushing game. If there exists a quality interior OLineman available for trade, that gives us a jump on probably losing Edwards to free agency after the season, might save on a potential Shelton injury, could easily help our run game, and gives our younger depth players (Snyder) an improved opportunity for development. jmo.

 

[So Ram]

I think there's a decent chance Arcuri is lineman #8 on the Rams this year. He has a lot of work to do.. but you can see the makings of an NFL offensive tackle.
Snyder is the kind of guy who will develop, but I think he makes it to the practice squad this year. Maybe not next year, but this year, I think is too early in his career. to be on a 53.

Yes - agree. Kolone has done an excellent job taken over as a backup Center.He is NFL ready & Snyder is a player that should make it to the PS easy without getting claimed.