They did. They also went 7-9 and fired the HC and are standing at ground zero again after just 2 seasons.Also consider....in essence, the Eagles got a 1st and a 4th for Nick Foles and a 4th. Not too bad a deal.
Rinse, repeat.
They did. They also went 7-9 and fired the HC and are standing at ground zero again after just 2 seasons.Also consider....in essence, the Eagles got a 1st and a 4th for Nick Foles and a 4th. Not too bad a deal.
Fisher isn't using kid gloves with Goff... He's not taking away half the field, simplifying down the playbook, and all that stuff that happens with most rookie QB's, so it's a steeper learning curve. Fisher didn't want him to start because he's comfortable with Keenum.
Yes.
Every single #1 overall QB since JaMarcus Russell has started the first game.(with Russell being the last one who didn't because he held out) How did every single other #1 overall QB get "up to speed" if Goff couldn't? Are you telling me that Goff is mentally deficient?
Fisher didn't try to get him "up to speed." That was clear from the preseason and the camp reports. The situation was handled poorly.
Sure, by your standards.The situation was handled poorly.
That's true. Every single one of the 5 of them the last 8 years. And before that, just 2 of the previous 8 #1 QBs started week 1. Why is that? Were those QB's not prepared properly by their head coaches? Was there a change in 2008 or 2009 that made starting a #1 QB imperative? I'm sure the money QBs get these days isn't anywhere near what Bradford got 6 years ago. And why just "#1 QBs"? Is there really such a huge difference between a QB taken #1 and a QB taken #2 or #3? I'd think if a QB is taken in the top 3, he's got to be deemed to have "it".
I think the norm these days is forcing a QB into the starting lineup. None of them are really "ready". Otherwise they would win right from the get go.....like #18 pick Joe Flacco or #1 pick Andrew Luck. I don't buy the "it's only a 4 year contract so the team has to get the production right from the get go for the money invested", even if the teams get a 5th year option. Eli Manning got a 4 year 84 million deal with 65 mil guaranteed and he didn't start until week 11. Winston got a 4 year 25 mil contract with 16 guaranteed and started right away. And Blake Bortles, going #3 in 2014 got almost as much (22 mil/13.3 guaranteed) as Luck going #1 in 2012 (22 mil/ 14.5 guaranteed). Bortles didn't start week 1, while Luck did.
I don't believe a guy has to start from the get go, though everybody concerned would love him to do that AND I don't believe a kid being ready for week 1 depends on the ability of the head coach to "get him ready". Of course he may change his parameters or have very low expectations from the beginning to allow the QB to start from day 1. Or he may maintain his parameters and have high expectations for the rookie QB, yet not start him from day 1. Who among us can really say what those parameters should be and whether or not the head coach should start him regardless of that?.....unless we're just anxious for the franchise QB to start leading the franchise back to respectability!
Sure, by your standards.
If we're speaking in absolutes, I'll say the situation is being handled expertly.
From my vantage point, it's a highly questionable strategy.
They did. They also went 7-9 and fired the HC and are standing at ground zero again after just 2 seasons.
Rinse, repeat.
Ron Jaworski said just today that Wentz would be the #3 QB, without the Bradford trade...Wentz isn't ready to start, but they are willing to let him learn on the job because they planned on sucking for a #1 Draft Pick next year., anyway...If we had given up the season like they have, you can bet Goff would be starting very soon.
I am telling you what I heard, from a former NFL QB that played in Philly, who is connected in the Philadelphia sports scene. No one there thought Bradford would play for the Eagles next year, and the #1 Draft pick (plus a 4th) is more than they could possibly get in a normal situation. Eagles GM Howie Roseman was blown away by the offer, and thats why they did the trade. It made sense to the Eagles, obviously, or they wouldn't have done the trade.They traded their 1st round pick next year to Cleveland so they could move up and draft Wentz. Tanking the season for a high pick would be pointless for them since that pick would only go to Cleveland.
Thanks @12intheBox ! I was wondering if he'd still be starting by the time today rolled around. Should be fun to watch.
Its a fish or cut bait league nowadays. With the rookie deals being 4 year gigs, you need to get them out there. I applaud Philly for it. Sure he'll make his share of mistakes, but I also expect him to do some of the things that they drafted him for
the low output kind. (with all due respect to TGIII)That west-coast-hybrid thing Pederson runs is easier to ease a QB into with its zone-read elements and its short game scheming open of wide receivers.
I really don't even know what kind of offense we run at this point.
They did. They also went 7-9 and fired the HC and are standing at ground zero again after just 2 seasons.
Rinse, repeat.
Not sure about that....The decline of Jason Peters? The suspension of Lane?? The all-pro center Kelcie?? Exactly why is this o-line garbage?Another obstacle which no one is talking about, is that the Eagles Oline sucks
A rookie struggled....that's what rookies do....It's also what some vet QB's do too...but if he finds a way to win, in spite of his struggles, he'll grow from it, and get better.....Im just curious what are some (Wentz guys) here gonna say if Wentz indeed is rushed out there and fails miserably?
Not sure about that....The decline of Jason Peters? The suspension of Lane?? The all-pro center Kelcie?? Exactly why is this o-line garbage?
A rookie struggled....that's what rookies do....It's also what some vet QB's do too...but if he finds a way to win, in spite of his struggles, he'll grow from it, and get better.....
I believe Goff deserves this chance as well.....
I think trading up is admitting your QB situation is not comfortable....You are acknowledging you have a major deficiency at the position. It is then the coaches responsibility to get the drafted player up to speed. We selected Goff for a reason...We felt that the QB's we had are inadequate, and incapable of reaching the teams goals.....It should be the same situation that G-Rob was in...as well as Tavon...players drafted that high, play...otherwise...stay put, get more players to help the overall team...jmo....I just don't get the "must play them immediately" mindset when the team had better options at the moment.