Was the LA Rams owner murdered for fixing NFL games? | Carroll Rosenbloom’s mystery death (1979)

[RamUK]

If he had swam alone but didn't like to tell others because they'd worry, how would we know?

Because ya know, he'd have been alone.

Plenty of great swimmers get into trouble and drown.

And every single time, it was the first time.

 

[Corbin]

Meh sounds like he Carrol fucked up and drowned by the sound of things unfortunately. Dude was 70 something years old and those undertows aren't anything to fuck with.

Also sounds like he was a degenerate gambler as well.

Georgia was a bimbo and fans are mad because a bimbo wrecked the franchise for decades which is the reason for hostility.

Imagine if he had lived, probably be a historic franchise like the Steelers are with Championships etc.

 

[Tano]

If he had swam alone but didn't like to tell others because they'd worry, how would we know?

Because ya know, he'd have been alone.

Plenty of great swimmers get into trouble and drown.

And every single time, it was the first time.

Maybe but as Selassie stated - those waters are usually calm. And if they were rough, he would not go out in them.

I have been in similar waters in Cocoa Beach and they do have some waves but real small for the most part. As Selassie stated, it would have to be during a hurricane or right after a hurricane to be rough.

if I had a cramp and couldn't swim, I would float on my back with no issues whatsoever. And he was a strong swimmer.

And I do not believe he had a heart attack or the autopsy would have shown that.

 

[XXXIVwin]

And I do not believe he had a heart attack or the autopsy would have shown that.

From the wiki on Carrol Rosenbloom:

"The final conclusion was that Carroll, who had been one of the first heart bypass patients, had suffered a heart attack while swimming. Witnesses at the scene and the Miami coroner's office and the Miami chief of police confirmed this finding.[22]"

Rosenbloom also had a heart attack 5 years prior, in 1974.

EDIT: Sounds like at the time there was suspicion that Risenbloom was "vulnerable" to a heart attack, but I haven't seen any proof that the coroner definitively declared it was a heart attack that contributed to the drowning. But it does sound that it was speculated to be a possibility at the time. So I think the wiki page overstated this....

 

[XXXIVwin]

Read some articles from the incident, and it sounds like there was a vicious undertow that day but not necessarily waves or choppy water.

 

[Tano]

Read some articles from the incident, and it sounds like there was a vicious undertow that day but not necessarily waves or choppy water.

Actually - according to Steve Rosenbloom - he was flying out of Florida the next day and looked at the ocean from the plane and he asked people on the plane if the waters were that bad yesterday. And according to Steve - they said yes.

Steve made a statement that there is no way his father would have swam in those waters.

 

[Selassie I]

Read some articles from the incident, and it sounds like there was a vicious undertow that day but not necessarily waves or choppy water.

The papers printed that the massive rescue effort was hindered by the rough seas.

Rip currents don't show themselves.... and they flow perpendicular to the shoreline. A rip wouldn't prevent a massive rescue effort.

I used to surf a lot. @Tano mentioned Cocoa Beach... yep there are waves that can be surfed there. That's about 200 miles north of south beach. As the state of Florida goes further south the midpoint is much further EAST and that makes a difference in the wave breaks. You're not finding any surf comps south of Cocoa. And for the record... even though my Mom had her 2 front teeth knocked out by a surf board on Cocoa Beach... the break sucks and is very short. The shoreline moves east until you get down to about Jupiter... then it takes a hard west inward creating a pocket almost like a lagoon. Nobody is surfing in South Beach... even on a long board.

 

[Tano]

The papers printed that the massive rescue effort was hindered by the rough seas.

Rip currents don't show themselves.... and they flow perpendicular to the shoreline. A rip wouldn't prevent a massive rescue effort.

I used to surf a lot. @Tano mentioned Cocoa Beach... yep there are waves that can be surfed there. That's about 200 miles north of south beach. As the state of Florida goes further south the midpoint is much further west and that makes a difference in the wave breaks. You're not finding any surf comps south of Cocoa. And for the record... even though my Mom had her 2 front teeth knocked out by a surf board on Cocoa Beach... the break sucks and is very short. The shoreline moves east until you get down to about Jupiter... then it takes a hard west inward creating a pocket almost like a lagoon. Nobody is surfing in South Beach... even on a long board.

Yeah that break does suck. It almost only breaks at the end.

I see people all the time on Boogie Boards and it is really hard for them to catch a decent break.

 

[thirteen28]

I don't know if she murdered Rosenbloom, but she certainly murdered the franchise for most of the time she was the main owner. The fact that we won a Super Bowl during her tenure was entirely in spite of her and not one bit because of her.

 

[PARAM]

The coroner also said no signs of foul play at all.

Sure some of us would like to believe the witch had something to do with it. There's a story on the internet somewhere that interviews that witness through a translator. He saw no one else in the water, debunking what someone said was a dark object that could have been possibly a frogman who pulled him under the water.

Conspiracy theories are always fun and rarely 100% debunked. If it were a couple of scuba killers, there would be no sign of foul play. Bruising on his ankles? And if he was so far out in the water, nobody standing on the beach could detect shadows under water. Other wise, they wouldn't go into the water seeing all those sharks out there.

 

[den-the-coach]

I don't know if she murdered Rosenbloom, but she certainly murdered the franchise for most of the time she was the main owner. The fact that we won a Super Bowl during her tenure was entirely in spite of her and not one bit because of her.

 

[RamDino]

Quick question.. if Trent Green had not gotten injured, would the Rams have still won the super bowl?

 

[Selassie I]

@den-the-coach
This is your fault Brudda. You knew this was gonna rile me up... why I outta...


Anyway, Den's wonderful thread here forced me to do a little more snooping...
At the time of his death on April 2, 1979 it was 80° with a Southeast wind blowing at 18 mph. Now that doesn't mean that the seas were jacked up with that wind. I was really getting pissed though because I couldn't find the sea conditions for that date... I did a little searching and the most obvious sources for that weren't helping me easily. So I said fuck it... I have enough just with the temp and wind speed/direction. Plus... it was a cloudy day without much sun.

Here's what that info leads me to believe...
80° ain't swimming weather for me. That is way too cold. Add in the 18 mph wind and that just adds to the chill factor. Look, the Canadians come down here and swim in the ocean when it's 60° - 70° out. Hell, I've seen em swimming in colder weather than that even. But Carroll was no snow bird Canadian with antifreeze for blood. Why would an Old man with more money than god decide to torture himself in those cold conditions. Throw in the part about him being known for NEVER SWIMMING ALONE. I don't believe he did because that shit simply doesn't make sense. Somebody forced him out in that water and made sure it was the last time he'd ever go swimming. Common sense should tell us all that.


Thanks again Den !

 

[Ram Ts]

 

[thirteen28]

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Yep. He's the reason. They just stumbled into hiring him.

 

[So Ram]

I think you are mixing up Steve Rosenbloom & Chip Rosenbloom. Steve was Carroll's son from his first marriage, Chip was the son from Carroll & Georgia. Carroll Rosenbloom had always intended to have his son Steve run the team, with Georgia inheriting the team because of the inheritance tax.

After Carroll's death, one of the issues was John Shaw got in Georgia's ear and convince her that she should be running the team and that was never Carroll's wishes. Now the inheritance tax was real and the reason that Chip Rosenbloom & Lucia Rodriguez (Carroll & Georgia's son and daughter sold the team to Stan Kroenke.

YEP - so you don’t think Steve was BUTT HURT ? It is what it is now.
I’m happy with the way it turned out now.
-Stan came in the End ,to buy The Rams.There were a lot of people that didn’t see that coming.

 

[So Ram]

He never swam alone.

I call BS. How was he some excellent swimmer & afraid to go in the ocean by himself.
He never goes into a pool unless someone was in the water ?

 

[den-the-coach]

Quick question.. if Trent Green had not gotten injured, would the Rams have still won the super bowl?

Absolutely. Would have been more dominant IMHO.

 

[Tano]

@den-the-coach
This is your fault Brudda. You knew this was gonna rile me up... why I outta...


Anyway, Den's wonderful thread here forced me to do a little more snooping...
At the time of his death on April 2, 1979 it was 80° with a Southeast wind blowing at 18 mph. Now that doesn't mean that the seas were jacked up with that wind. I was really getting pissed though because I couldn't find the sea conditions for that date... I did a little searching and the most obvious sources for that weren't helping me easily. So I said fuck it... I have enough just with the temp and wind speed/direction. Plus... it was a cloudy day without much sun.

Here's what that info leads me to believe...
80° ain't swimming weather for me. That is way too cold. Add in the 18 mph wind and that just adds to the chill factor. Look, the Canadians come down here and swim in the ocean when it's 60° - 70° out. Hell, I've seen em swimming in colder weather than that even. But Carroll was no snow bird Canadian with antifreeze for blood. Why would an Old man with more money than god decide to torture himself in those cold conditions. Throw in the part about him being known for NEVER SWIMMING ALONE. I don't believe he did because that shit simply doesn't make sense. Somebody forced him out in that water and made sure it was the last time he'd ever go swimming. Common sense should tell us all that.


Thanks again Den !

80 degree weather is okay for me and I am from California but I wouldn't be out there long.

Depends on the water temperature really.

And April water temperature is not for me. It usually averages around 75 degrees in April. I like the water temperature around 80 plus.

However, Carroll Rosenbloom grew up in Baltimore Maryland so he could be okay with that temperature. I know lots of people in Virginia where I work like the weather to be in the 60s at the highest, especially if they are heavy drinkers. So he could theoretically be okay with that water temperature.

 

[Tano]

I call BS. How was he some excellent swimmer & afraid to go in the ocean by himself.
He never goes into a pool unless someone was in the water ?

I am just going by what Steve Rosenbloom stated. And he being 70 plus with a heart condition, I find it very feasible that he would not swim in the ocean by himself.

But I could see him swimming in the pool by himself but again he was rich so he probably had servants ready to take care of him if anything happened.