Was McVay premature in bailing on Goff to trade for Stafford?

[Loyal]

I'm not a fan of this discussion because I think it's kind old-and-cold at this point in time.

When both players' careers are over, it could be re-evaluated and re-considered, with hindsight.

That being said, the OP (Rams43) has been around a long time, and has proven to be a solid ROD contributor; and, I think he was just trying to have a legit football dialogue.

If we are going to pick on a poster, may I suggest @Loyal. I'm telling you, that guy is an Agitator.

NYET!
(That means no in Rooskie!)

 

[Tano]

NYET!
(That means no in Rooskie!)

I'm still going to pick on you.

 

[Allen2McVay]

It surprises me to see a fan who goes back to the 70s not remembering the value of a title. How many great teams did we have that came up short. It ain't easy getting over that hump.

I sometimes disagree with Merlin ... but that's only when he is wrong.

In this case ... Yes ... and fucking YES!!!
I posted the following earlier, and re-post it here because I am one of those fans that goes back to the 70s.

Just a personal opinion from an older poster.

I was around for the decade of 1970 when the Rams were REALLY Good; and the failure to get to Super Bowls (0-4 in NFC Championships until 1979), and to win a Lombardi was incredibly disappointing and frustrating.

While I have fond memories of the Rams teams of my teenage years, that entire decade remains a disappointment to me.

 

[Soul Surfer]

After the Super Bowl with Stafford, almost everybody was jumping up and down and saying what a great and brilliant trade it was.

I was thinking that the story is not over.

It'll only be over when you can look back over Goff's entire career versus Stafford's.

I personally have no regrets in the trade.

It worked out exactly like they wanted it to and everything came together with the Lombardi.

 

[Merlin]

It worked out exactly like they wanted to and everything came together with the Lombardi.

Can you imagine AD retiring without that ring. Fuck that. Same with Whit.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Here’s my contention, I guess.

But it requires some assumptions.

IF the Rams keep Goff and IF McVay coaches him to his strengths rather than forcing him to play in McVay’s preferred O. (Like the lightly regarded Campbell has done)

And IF Rams used those two 1sts and that 3rd wisely in addition to their other picks…

THEN, imo, Rams would be in a much better position today than they are right now. Might or might not have that Lombardi but the view of their future for next 10 years would be considerably brighter than it now is. Top 5 QB in his prime with a loaded roster? Are you KIDDING me?

Sigh…

Goff never takes the 2001 team yo a Super Bowl and wins it.

 

[Corbin]

Goff is a good QB but he’ll never win a SB. He hasn’t got it in him to nut it out the whole year.

 

[Corbin]

Goff never takes the 2001 team yo a Super Bowl and wins it.

The Real Question: Does Warner take the 2018 team and win the Super Bowl?

 

[dieterbrock]

Goff never takes the 2001 team yo a Super Bowl and wins it.

Well to be fair, it would be awfully hard for any 7 year old to win a Superbowl. Lol

 

[Memphis Ram]

Am I the only one wondering why Goff was struggling those last 2 years under McVay but now is an elite QB under Campbell?

if McVay is such an offensive genius, how could that happen?

And what does that say about McVay’s ability to coach to his players strengths rather than requiring the player to function within McVay’s preferred system?

Think about it before you post a knee jerk reaction, please.

Gee. I thought Goff was a good QB. When did he become elite?

And if he is elite, what is Mahomes?

 

[0311rams]

Short term to get that superbowl yes it was. Long term not so sure. We will see

 

[tempests]

Can you imagine AD retiring without that ring. Fuck that. Same with Whit.

Pretty sure this moment was an impetus to go out and get Stafford. The Rams didn't want this to be the lasting memory of Donald's legacy; that they had a generational defensive player and couldn't cash in with a championship.

 

[tempests]

I'm not a fan of this discussion because I think it's kind old-and-cold at this point in time.

When both players' careers are over, it could be re-evaluated and re-considered, with hindsight.

That being said, the OP (Rams43) has been around a long time, and has proven to be a solid ROD contributor; and, I think he was just trying to have a legit football dialogue.

If we are going to pick on a poster, may I suggest @Loyal. I'm telling you, that guy is an Agitator.

He's kind of mopey when things aren't going well. If you noticed, he suggested the Lions have a brighter future than the Rams, not just in the short term but for the next ten years.

 

[Merlin]

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Pretty sure this moment was an impetus to go out and get Stafford. The Rams didn't want this to be the lasting memory of Donald's legacy; that they had a generational defensive player and couldn't cash in with a championship.

Yep. Rams know all about that with Merlin Olsen.

 

[LARAMSinFeb.]

I've always thought Goff was elite and underrated, but the only advantage he has over Staff is he's younger and will continue to grow. I can't think of a Rams game since the trade where I think Goff would've done better.

 

[Giles]

We won a sb. Nothing else matters.

 

[methomas50]

I agree you need make a determination when both careers are over. However I feel confident at that time Stafford will be considered the superior player. If Goff was QB vs Cincinnati, I don't feel nearly as confident they get that Lombardi.

 

[fanotodd]

Trading Goff for Stafford was the right move and paid off in a Super Bowl victory. Price was just a bit too high though. Felt Snead could have done the deal for Goff and a First rounder with a little more back and forth. Two firsts and a third was a bit much. That's the only quibble I have on the trade.

Right. That’s kinda what I was saying at the time of the trade.
I felt a 3-5 year younger Stafford would be worth that much, but I didn’t see that kinda value at the time.
…then the Rams won the SB. Everything is just fine with me now.

This is a preposterous discussion to be having when Goff (who I like) and the entire lion org have yet to win ANYTHING.

 

[Soul Surfer]

Nothing else matters.

Excellent Metallica reference.

 

[snackdaddy]

I will add if you put Goff on the 2024 Rams we'd be 0-4 with no chance of turning things around. I can't say things will turn around. Maybe they will. Maybe they won't. But it won't be Stafford's fault if they don't. That is pretty much all you need to know.