Vent thread

[Kupped]

Reminds me of Martz in Tampa on MNF in 2000. Ran it 3 times, gave it back and we lose on a late drive and lose the division.

Yup.

And no one seems to want to delve into this.. the Rams play not to lose on both sides of the ball.

What does that say about McVay?

 

[FarNorth]

Honest question: With the 9ers DL getting tons of pressure, how many screens did we throw today? I remember one on a broken play after Stafford escaped pressure. Outside of that, I don't remember another.

As far as Stafford on the deep throws, I think he is still having thumb issues. He had surgery in the Offseason, then hit it on a helmet in Pre-season. Might have hit it again mid-season. (only speculating).

The Offensive line was Terrible today. I think Stafford played well under the circumstances, but Man the 9ers D-Line got a Shit-Ton of pressure.

Didn't like the empty backfield (Shotgun) on the 3rd and one. Hated the lack of Screens, and absolutely hated the give up-run it 3 times and Punt philosophy at the end.


BUT, 14 teams are now 0-0. Nothing matters now but next week. Go Rams.

But I don't believe Stafford couldn't have thrown it another 5-7 yards which would have been a TD. At worst it would have been an incompletion. Assume Stafford misread what Beckham might do.

Throwing it to where the receiver has to come back to get it when's he beaten the defender deep is not a good decision. Then again Stafford's had a lot of under thrown deep balls this season.

 

[TXRams86]

I see what you're saying, but you're operating under the assumption that Stafford has to run the play that McVay called.

As for going empty.....we weren't going to run for a first down there. We were averaging less than 1 ypc. So I was fine with going empty....although I think Stafford should have brought Michel in to chip Bosa.

I get you as well but even if we weren’t gonna run it and pass it, leave Sony in as an option that the defense has to account for. Stafford could have shifted him to Bosa’s side but kept him in the backfield, two birds with one stone.

 

[jrry32]

Not sure what play you are referring to but apparently Rams weren't fully ready when Fuller went out and Ramsay had to call the sets. Maybe that wasn't the real issue but it sounded from the Rams radio broadcast like there was some disarray in the secondary at the worst possible time.

That would make sense. I was talking about the long Deebo catch and run on the 49ers' game-tying drive in the fourth quarter.

Not at all.

When a defense led by Donald and Ramsey gives up an 88 yard drive in that situation, that's never on the QB. No matter what happens afterward

Of course it isn't Stafford's fault that the defense blew the lead. But the interception is 100% his fault.

 

[badnews]

Yea I mean nobody seems to explicitly want to say it.

But this game came down to ONE play. Ramsey jumping a flat route while their most dangerous offensive player runs right past him. That one mistake was the single biggest of the game.

And his INT was the only defensive play worth mentioning today.

Hard to blame him for trying and failing to make a play. It kinda was all on him.

 

[Shuie3225]

Dude miss with that bs especially coming from you who even said the reason we to lost the niners was shipped out of town. Yea that didn't age well..at all. If this game played exactly how it did I would same exact thing. The only thing that would change is you would be obliterating Goff for the loss because in your mind it was his fault.

If there was a metric that measured how many posts contained the word "Goff," you're in the 99th percentile my dude. No one could ever convince me youre not related or a close family friend. How is Jared liking the weather back east?

 

[Ram_Rally]

Looking at what happened, you're right, they might as well have attempted a pass to end the game. I think since it's almost always worked in his favour, McVay trusted the defense to finish the game off as they have time and time again during his time as head coach. Maybe this will be a turning point to having him be more aggressive in those situations. With yards so easy to come by in this era of football, you might as well play aggressive on offense to end the game when you can. But still, 40 yards so easily to Deebo down the field, that was atrocious.

Yeah my Paranoia might be causing confirmation bias. But when they punt the ball back to us something just told me that we needed to get a first down. And McVay has this habit of always putting his defense back on the field.

 

[FrantikRam]

Because I love this team. Sorry that I'm not sorry if that offends ppl.

Ehhh I'm calling bullshit on that.

Like, last year you said the WRs/OL were the issue.

But now you think our supporting cast is better than Deebo and Kittle? That's pretty inconsistent IMO. Kupp was here last year and our WRs were an issue? But now they're better than Deebo/Kittle? With OBJ instead of Woods???

Shanahan is a better coach than McVay? So just to verify - you'd be happier with two winning seasons in five years instead of five?


You very clearly do not love this team. They did something that you aren't able to get over and worse, you'll never be able to admit that you were wrong.

 

[gogoat1]

I for one am getting tired of saying of our coach when he makes mistakes like the horrible decision to run 3 times up the middle, punt and give the ball back to the Niners " there is no other coach I would rather have, even with his mistakes".
He cost us the game by running the ball 3 times up the middle when all we needed was a first down to end the game. After the first run of a couple of yards there should have been 2 play action, safe passes to get the 7-8 yards the Rams needed for a first down.
If I know that, screaming at the TV, how come McVay does not know that ? Take control of the game when you have the chance. Be ruthless, stomp on their throat. In the back of his mind did he want to give his buddy Shanahan a entry into the playoffs while getting the division title for himself ?
He shrivled, just like in the Super Bowl. We had the game won. He did not even try to get the first down. Went with "rely on our defense". Well, for one, its not that good. Another thing, the Niners HAD to defend the run in that situation. They could not shrug off 2 run attempts. Had to play it honest. So, play action would have worked simply because of the slight hesitation that had to happen because of a run fake. All that had to happen was a 6 yard in the air pass and Cooper falling forward 2 yards, GAME OVER !!! It was almost like McVay went into that fatal series pre determining what he was going to call. He was going to go "old School" and that series to prove something to the nay sayers. You knew, I knew and everyone knew the Niners were going to power run it up the gut and when that happens the short passes are there for the taking. That Debo guy is a mini beast. Very solidly built, can do it all. Not afraid.

Our coach played afraid. I do not like that.
I

 

[gabriel18]

I overrated this team. They have only beaten 3 teams with a winning record , and barely beat the rest in a few games. A lot of big names and little to show for it. McVay is a notch below Shanny and it showed today. Just look at all the 3rd downs they picked up with great designed routes. Wide open at the sticks. Took advantage of the match ups. We throw it deep on 3rd downs. Still sick at the way they blew it.

 

[Kupped]

Ehhh I'm calling bullshit on that.

Like, last year you said the WRs/OL were the issue.

But now you think our supporting cast is better than Deebo and Kittle? That's pretty inconsistent IMO. Kupp was here last year and our WRs were an issue? But now they're better than Deebo/Kittle? With OBJ instead of Woods???

Shanahan is a better coach than McVay? So just to verify - you'd be happier with two winning seasons in five years instead of five?


You very clearly do not love this team. They did something that you aren't able to get over and worse, you'll never be able to admit that you were wrong.

I will say this about the whole McVay/Shanny thing... It'll be interesting to see if either can win a Super Bowl.

 

[FrantikRam]

That would make sense. I was talking about the long Deebo catch and run on the 49ers' game-tying drive in the fourth quarter.

Of course it isn't Stafford's fault that the defense blew the lead. But the interception is 100% his fault.

For sure. He made several mistakes in the game. The biggest though were by the defense on that drive

 

[TXRams86]

Don't you think he should have put the ball in Stafford's hand one more time and see if he had another dime left in him and ended the game. That would have been the best situation for the D.
Although you are correct, the D was put in a great position and we should have won.

Isn’t that why we brought Stafford over in the first place? To be ‘the guy’ you have all the confidence in the world in to get you those 7 yards to seal the game? At least that’s what I remember him being described by McVay as. Instead he gets cute and puts the game in the hands of the defense who were getting manhandled in their own right that second half.

 

[badnews]

It's a vent thread, so my vent summation is as follows
McVay's play calling sucked, got too conservative
Stafford was a disaster in the 2nd half and his 8 TO in the last 3 games is a huge concern.
The fan support was a complete embarrassment, sounded like a 9er home game
At the end of the day, the defense with all of its star power, couldnt close out the game

On all of this my Rams brethren, we are in complete agreement

 

[Kupped]

Isn’t that why we brought Stafford over in the first place? To be ‘the guy’ you have all the confidence in the world in to get you those 7 yards to seal the game? At least that’s what I remember him being described by McVay as. Instead he gets cute and puts the game in the hands of the defense who were getting manhandled in their own right that second half.

Yup.

And.. again... the other team can't score if they don't have the ball.
Your exhausted defense had just come up with a big series to get you the ball back in great field position.

 

[Curiousenigma]

My biggest gripe is showing your hand in that situation. I hated the play call once I saw Sony clear out because it was an obvious pass play on a down you needed one yard. He eliminated the threat of a run or even a play action pass by going empty. Furthermore, going empty in that situation has worked out disastrously for Stafford in recent history; he drew up a potential Stafford pick 6 with that play call. I hate to use the analogy but a Madden player would immediately know what you’re trying to do if you called that in a game. McVay needs to be a smarter play caller sometimes. He’s making these bone headed calls more and more frequently.

I really am starting to believe that he goes empty set on short yardage because of his bravado more than anything. He wants you to know what is coming and still beat you with it. That is the only logical conclusion I can come to after seeing him do the empty backfield on short yardage so often this season. It's not even like he has a quick slant dialed up or anything...he has a pure drop back call sent in that just boggles the mind. He had the same mindset against NE in the SB. He couldn't bother to come up with some wrinkles the way the Eagles did to mess up NE and win. Nope. He was going to beat you with the offense that you saw for 18 games previously. He even admitted after the fact that he didn't change anything because BB is so smart he would have adjusted to it by 1/2 time. That is not what you want to hear when the Eagles literally gave them a blueprint on how to beat NE.

 

[SeminoleRam]

I know that the Rams Defense has to play (And, Coached!) much better BUT personally I think the next week (And, Hopefully, More!) will tell us a lot about SEAN MCVAY AND MATTHEW STAFFORD!!!

 

[Giles]

If you want to laser in on what cost the Rams this game? I mean the factor that played the biggest role in losing the game?

It's the Oline. Period, end of story.

Couldn't muster any run game and couldn't protect Stafford.

That we should all agree on. Mcvay not making the oline a priority is arguably reason #1 why we can't beat the niners

 

[Montanaramfan]

Yeah my Paranoia might be causing confirmation bias. But when they punt the ball back to us something just told me that we needed to get a first down. And McVay has this habit of always putting his defense back on the field.

Why not run a bootleg on that third down play near the end and tell Stafford only to throw it if it's a sure thing? If nobody is open, then just have Stafford slide down. At least you have a 50/50 chance of picking up the first down. Running the play they did gave them no chance.

 

[ramsince62]

Was Goff really that much worse than Staff?

Apparently not.