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It should be pretty obvious now that our D isn't very good . 55, 45, 43 , 34 points allowed is God awful A couple great players and a lot of question marks going into next season .
Thats why I posted a separate thread about possibly trading either Ramsey or Donald or both to recoup picks. But was shot down by the masses who would rather see superstsr players racking up individual accolades rather than fixing our team overall. I get it. There is risk but if you just sit on your hands and do nothing then next year and the year after has the potential to be even worse than this one. We need to fix the Oline and running game first. Then the front 7 on D
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I kinda agree man. If we could get TONS for Donald, I'd pull the trigger. He's great, but teams have neutralized him a lot this season. But if trading him could get us 2 first rounders and also one very good D-lineman or O-lineman, I'd pull the trigger.
 

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It should be pretty obvious now that our D isn't very good . 55, 45, 43 , 34 points allowed is God awful A couple great players and a lot of question marks going into next season .
Thats why I posted a separate thread about possibly trading either Ramsey or Donald or both to recoup picks. But was shot down by the masses who would rather see superstsr players racking up individual accolades rather than fixing our team overall. I get it. There is risk but if you just sit on your hands and do nothing then next year and the year after has the potential to be even worse than this one. We need to fix the Oline and running game first. Then the front 7 on D
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I have no idea how to fix it , but I do know what I see watching the D isn't pretty . They looked dominant against poor QB's , but that was a mirage . Once I saw what Winston did to them , I knew they were nothing special . Then everyone thought Ramsey solved all the problems , till The Ravens , Cowgirls, and Whiners scored at will . One great DL player , one decent LBer, and Ramsey aren't going to scare anyone . I feel more confident about the O scoring than I do the D stopping a decent offense late in the game. The D played good yesterday for about a 10 minute span in the 3rd quarter and got gashed before and after . A TD on 3rd and 10 and two easy conversations on 3rd and 16 pretty much says it all . Just get it fixed is all I can say , and how about finally getting a run stuffing MLBer that we've been missing for decades .
 

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Very disappointed that Jalen didn't take responsibility for being flatfooted and driving the bus over Rapp on the field and in the media. He played it wrong
 

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Very disappointed that Jalen didn't take responsibility for being flatfooted and driving the bus over Rapp on the field and in the media. He played it wrong

Mcvay should tell him to zip it. Douche move. Everyone knows rapp was at fault. Leave it at that.

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I didn't want to start a whole thread. But I found some stats for Gurley that shows his explosive plays. Not sure what the numbers show... lack of O-line like '16? Or has he just lost explosiveness? Make of it what you will.......
The dropoff is significant. I'm a big fan of SR (success rate) which tells you how often the back gets the yardage he needs on a given down. It can be compared to DVoA (which is big play rate) to determine whether the back busts big runs to pad his stats or whether he grinds out the tough yards.

Last season Todd was 1st in DVoA and 4th in SR. Which is some high end stuff. The best in the league in big plays but also in the elite range for getting yards when he needs them:

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This year? Big change. 23rd in the league in big plays and 19th in success rate. Which means he's more of a grinding back and a mediocre one at that.

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The problem in all this is that the OL effect is hard to deduce other than to say both players in our backfield (QB and RB) were adversely affected by their poor play. So yeah I do think the OL is part of this equation but the fact his big play ranking is lower than his success rate tells me he's not the same guy in his burst. If he was, even with poor blocking his DVoA would be much higher than his SR. This is why these stats are the best around at ranking backs right now IMO.
 

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Was it acceptable for Jalen Ramsey to throw Taylor Rapp under the bus?
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With 58 seconds left in the Saturday night game between the 49ers and Rams, and the game tied at 31, San Francisco quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo heaved a pass to receiver Emmanuel Sanders for a 46-yard gain that took the ball from the 49ers’ 31-yard line to the Rams’ 23. Two plays later, Robbie Gould booted a 33-yard field goal that gave his team a 34-31 win, set the 49ers up nicely for the postseason with a 12-3 record, and eliminated the Rams — the defending NFC champions — from the 2019 playoffs.
It was the second third-and-16 San Francisco converted on the drive — earlier, Garoppolo had hit receiver Kendrick Bourne for an 18-yard gain in a similarly sticky situation.
“I felt like we were [getting] pressure,” Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald said after the game. We were there but he [Garoppolo] was making some good throws. We were about to get him, if we had a second longer. He made two good passes to help his team to win.”

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Here’s the dots for the third-and-16 that ended the Rams season. I’m not sure what Taylor Rapp thought the coverage was supposed to be.

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As it turns out, Rams cornerback Jalen Ramsey was entirely willing to recall what happened.
“It wasn’t me and Eric — he played the other side. It was [safety Taylor] Rapp,” Ramsey said, when asked by ESPN reporter Lindsey Thiry what he and safety Eric Weddle saw on the Sanders play. “We were in a form of 2-Man [coverage]. We had an adjustment check to it because [the 49ers were in a] condensed split, I played my technique, trusting that he was going to be over the top… and he wasn’t. That’s what happened.”
Rapp was the Rams’ second-round pick in 2019 out of Washington. He had seen his snaps increase over the last month due to injuries in the secondary (most specifically, John Johnson III’s shoulder injury), and it’s clear that in a 2-Man responsibility, this was not the right technique. 2-Man is basically a Cover-2 safety look with man coverage underneath, and safeties must be where they’re supposed to be so that the cornerbacks can play man coverage confidently.
There is also the question of how closely Ramsey should have covered Sanders through the route if 2-Man was the coverage. If you want to, you can assign all kinds of responsibilities to coverage meltdowns.

“One thing Jalen’s dead right about — his technique was awful,” former NFL defensive coordinator and head coach Rex Ryan said on ESPN on Sunday morning. “They’re running what we call a slice fist, meaning [the cornerback] is going to start from outside leverage, get your hands on [the receiver], and then get back to an inside trail. Jalen never touched the guy off the line, and Rapp ends up playing over the top. He’s supposed to be deep and outside, thinking that Jalen’s gonna be trailing the thing inside. Maybe the ball will be elevated. Well, guess what? Jalen wasn’t there. Rapp’s a young player; he’s going to do exactly what you tell him to — outside and deep. Well, guess what? Jalen, it’s your fault.”
So. Rapp made a mistake, but was Ramsey right to call him out publicly, since he made a mistake as well? One could say that, given the specificity of the question, Ramsey had no choice but to point out that it wasn’t Weddle who was the problem. And maybe he should have stopped right there.
Ramsey is a great cornerback, and he’s a tough competitor. That competitive edge has worked both ways for him throughout his career. And while he is a fine player, he’s also not perfect — going into Saturday’s game, he’d given up 26 catches on 35 targets for 324 yards, and an opponent passer rating of 102.6 in his eight games with the Rams this season. Ramsey started his 2019 season with the Jaguars before an October trade, and in the first week of the 2019 season, he gave up two touchdown passes against the Chiefs. One can also imagine that Ramsey would not have been overly pleased if one of his teammates had given a blow-by-blow recitation of Ramsey’s coverage issues in the locker room right after the game.
Donald’s conclusion — we were close to getting Garoppolo, but he made good throws — seems like the way to go in cases like this. Ramsey wasn’t wrong in his analysis of the play, of course, but there are many different ways to bring that truth to the forefront.
 

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The dropoff is significant. I'm a big fan of SR (success rate) which tells you how often the back gets the yardage he needs on a given down. It can be compared to DVoA (which is big play rate) to determine whether the back busts big runs to pad his stats or whether he grinds out the tough yards.

Last season Todd was 1st in DVoA and 4th in SR. Which is some high end stuff. The best in the league in big plays but also in the elite range for getting yards when he needs them:

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This year? Big change. 23rd in the league in big plays and 19th in success rate. Which means he's more of a grinding back and a mediocre one at that.

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The problem in all this is that the OL effect is hard to deduce other than to say both players in our backfield (QB and RB) were adversely affected by their poor play. So yeah I do think the OL is part of this equation but the fact his big play ranking is lower than his success rate tells me he's not the same guy in his burst. If he was, even with poor blocking his DVoA would be much higher than his SR. This is why these stats are the best around at ranking backs right now IMO.

What were his stats in 2016?

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