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[Loyal]

Yet, you said McVay would not endure without them…


But he has. He built a Super Bowl quality team without Stafford.

He has endured.

Sure, once he won a Super Bowl with his franchise QB and knew the ultimate success with Matthew Stafford. You shifted from the basis of my statement and to include a Super Bowl losing team led by Goff. He got rid of Goff to upgrade at QB to win the ultimate prize. He didn't want just a "quality" loser, but he wanted a winner with those foundational players: Donald, Stafford and Miller. Miller turned out to be only a short term player, but the other two are still here. But when they are gone, so may he be after that.

 

[Kupped]

Why do people believe PFF? Take for example, Gaines. On many pass rushing downs when they are playing a mobile QB like Kyler, he's often times playing interior contain. You can see that in his intentional lack of penetration. That's all part of Morris' soft scheme. He's soft in all aspects of his defense. He plays for the offense to make a mistake. But he does not play to FORCE mistakes. Their so called analyst don't know what they are seeing. Their matrix was written by someone who doesn't know American football. Case in point, why aren't pass protection holding penalties credited as pressures? In fact because of the 10 yd loss, they should be viewed as a quasi-sack or at least a pressure if the penalty is accepted. Players are penalized when they intentionally are playing contain therefore slower to get to the QB.

Watch Morris' scheme and it's soft in all aspects of the play. This is why I dislike his schemes. He's not playing to win he's playing not to lose....so how's that working out? This should be a top 2 or 3 defensive unit defensively. They aren't even in the top 10. He plays his friends not who gives them the best matchup.

High comedy.

Like… Andy Kaufman tier.

 

[Kupped]

This is where I am at.

The NFL is an offensively driven league. Teams are going to score. You HAVE to outscore the other guy.

I think our defense is good enough, despite the lack of sacks. And… I think we can tweak things schematically to better hide this weakness.

But we LOST 3 games only scoring 10, 9, and 10. THAT is not how you win in today’s NFL.

Without much hesitation, I prioritize RB and the offense.

Sure.

What RB still out there does anyone think will be able to be integrated enough into the offense to make a difference in next three weeks?

I guess I see an edge making more of a difference more quickly.

Not saying I don’t see the value in getting an RB… and I definitely think they need to get run game going.

But… Michel was a non-factor in the playoffs.

Von was a difference maker.

The passing game, as long as pass blocking improves.. will be fine, imo.
That was a huge part of the problem in the bad stretch. Pre-Odell… then with Odell trying to get up to speed… now? Robinson is figuring it out.. Kupp is Kupp… Skow is integrated.. Van is back & they have both TEs.

I just think the pass blocking is, by far, the biggest problem on O.

 

[jacktheripper85]

Good points made on both sides regarding the need for a RB and edge rusher. I think we need both as the level of production has been non-existent at both positions.

If you can add Chubb and Hunt to this roster without killing your 2023 draft that automatically puts us in strong Super Bowl contention when you factor in the rest of our roster. Hopefully both Denver and Cleveland get beat this weekend to make the decision easier on them to pull the trigger.

Add OBJ as the icing on the cake in November and I don’t see anyone in the NFC getting in our way.

 

[Kupped]

Good points made on both sides regarding the need for a RB and edge rusher. I think we need both as the level of production has been non-existent at both positions.

If you can add Chubb and Hunt to this roster without killing your 2023 draft that automatically puts us in strong Super Bowl contention when you factor in the rest of our roster. Hopefully both Denver and Cleveland get beat this weekend to make the decision easier on them to pull the trigger.

Add OBJ as the icing on the cake in November and I don’t see anyone in the NFC getting in our way.

You’ll, most likely, kill the top of your 23 draft.
That’s one reason why Alaric Jackson being successful would be such a big deal. If left tackle is solved, and IF you re-sign Chubb.. you don’t need a second rounder next year and can live with one of the expected 3rd rounders (I’m hoping for another 3rd if Morris leaves.)

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Sure.

What RB still out there does anyone think will be able to be integrated enough into the offense to make a difference in next three weeks?

I guess I see an edge making more of a difference more quickly.

Not saying I don’t see the value in getting an RB… and I definitely think they need to get run game going.

But… Michel was a non-factor in the playoffs.

Von was a difference maker.

The passing game, as long as pass blocking improves.. will be fine, imo.
That was a huge part of the problem in the bad stretch. Pre-Odell… then with Odell trying to get up to speed… now? Robinson is figuring it out.. Kupp is Kupp… Skow is integrated.. Van is back & they have both TEs.

I just think the pass blocking is, by far, the biggest problem on O.

Running backs can pass block as well or if they have skills in the passing game, be a great safety valve for Stafford that can turn a short pass into a nice gain. It adds another dimension to our offense. Yes it takes a little bit to integrate but the same could be said of any player as it also happened to Von Miller and OBJ. Michel may have been a non factor in the playoffs but was a big part in getting us there when he was our run game for a short stint. Whether we add a pass rusher or RB or both (which I know I want) it honestly depends on the talent of the player. Hunt is supremely talented in comparison to Michel and may cost much less in draft compensation than a pass rusher like Chubb. Now, I'm not saying don't get Chubb lol, but if we want to really improve I say we get a pass rusher plus a running back if we can without giving away all of our draft picks. Easier said than done which is why we probably haven't gotten news yet.

 

[Allen2McVay]

This is where I am at.

The NFL is an offensively driven league. Teams are going to score. You HAVE to outscore the other guy.

I think our defense is good enough, despite the lack of sacks. And… I think we can tweak things schematically to better hide this weakness.

But we LOST 3 games only scoring 10, 9, and 10. THAT is not how you win in today’s NFL.

Without much hesitation, I prioritize RB and the offense.

I agree.

In addition, I don’t see how much can be expected from the Offense with the quantity of O-Line injuries. The top-5 interior OL have all suffered injuries that are either season-ending (Bruss and Anchrum) or have/will cost more than five games (Allen, Shelton and Edwards). The icing on the cake is a torn Achilles for the LT.

That’s 6 of the projected top-8 offensive linemen heading into training camp. And the Rams’ O-Line was a big question mark at the start of camp. And it’s not even the mid-point of the season. That’s just too much to overcome.

Most every year, there’s one or two teams that are decimated by injuries. Sometimes it’s the quantity, sometimes its the quality (top players) and often, it’s one or two position groups where it seems like everyone goes down. Like six of the top-8 OL before the season is even half over.

On Monday, on one of the better NFL network shows, I listened to three “Experts” explain that much of Tampa and Tom Brady’s problems were directly tied to injuries on the O-Line, where the poor fucking Bucs were playing without their projected starting Center and starting LG. Poor fucking Tom Brady has to play with his #2 Center and #3 Guard.

The Rams have not had their #1 Center, their #2 Center, their #1, #2, #3, #4 Guards … and now their Left Tackle.

I will remain hopeful but THAT’S a lot of injuries to a position group that has a huge impact on both the running game and pass protection.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

You’ll, most likely, kill the top of your 23 draft.
That’s one reason why Alaric Jackson being successful would be such a big deal. If left tackle is solved, and IF you re-sign Chubb.. you don’t need a second rounder next year and can live with one of the expected 3rd rounders (I’m hoping for another 3rd if Morris leaves.)

Are you sure we'll kill our draft lol? With Chubb and Hunt, more likely but not a guarantee, but if we got a combo of say Quinn or Hughes plus Hunt, maybe not. Guess it all depends on what teams accept. Can we, just one time, fleece a team good?

 

[Lunchbox]

Take for example, Gaines. On many pass rushing downs when they are playing a mobile QB like Kyler, he's often times playing interior contain. You can see that in his intentional lack of penetration. That's all part of Morris' soft scheme.

Agree with the statement about playing contain. I've noticed the same from the edges as well, particularly Floyd.

IMO the "soft" scheme is a reaction to the defensive personnel available to this point and is designed to funnel offensive plays to the strength of our defense in the middle.

Maybe that will change when we get some of our injured secondary players back, but it would be a mistake to try to force a scheme we don't have the horses to run.

 

[Kupped]

Running backs can pass block as well or if they have skills in the passing game, be a great safety valve for Stafford that can turn a short pass into a nice gain. It adds another dimension to our offense. Yes it takes a little bit to integrate but the same could be said of any player as it also happened to Von Miller and OBJ. Michel may have been a non factor in the playoffs but was a big part in getting us there when he was our run game for a short stint. Whether we add a pass rusher or RB or both (which I know I want) it honestly depends on the talent of the player. Hunt is supremely talented in comparison to Michel and may cost much less in draft compensation than a pass rusher like Chubb. Now, I'm not saying don't get Chubb lol, but if we want to really improve I say we get a pass rusher plus a running back if we can without giving away all of our draft picks. Easier said than done which is why we probably haven't gotten news yet.

If I’m gonna spend significant draft compensation, it’s gonna be for a player & position I hope to keep long-term.
The Rams did try to keep Von.

Henderson had almost exact same production as Hunt against their lone common opponent.. Falcons.

I’d take Hunt.. but I don’t see a huge upgrade there… more importantly to me… very similar and the Rams could probably use someone bigger.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

If I’m gonna spend significant draft compensation, it’s gonna be for a player & position I hope to keep long-term.
The Rams did try to keep Von.

Henderson had almost exact same production as Hunt against their lone common opponent.. Falcons.

I’d take Hunt.. but I don’t see a huge upgrade there… more importantly to me… very similar and the Rams could probably use someone bigger.

Man if you don't see the upgrade that Hunt will be over Hendo, I don't know what to tell you there. Hunt is a way better back.

 

[Kupped]

Man if you don't see the upgrade that Hunt will be over Hendo, I don't know what to tell you there. Hunt is a way better back.

I’m just pointing to their performance against a common opponent.
Hunt averages 2 yards less per carry than Chubb.
Is Hunt still that good? I guess J just don’t know.

 

[MadGoat]

In case anyone was wondering what his price would be.


View: https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1585273681198055425

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I’m just pointing to their performance against a common opponent.
Hunt averages 2 yards less per carry than Chubb.
Is Hunt still that good? I guess J just don’t know.

Basing how good a player is in one game vs a common opponent is laughable. Hunt has had a way more accomplished career and was a MVP canidate in KC before he stupidly kicked a lady that relegated him to backup duty to one of the best RBs in the NFL. I personally think dude has got plenty of gas in the tank. I don't know about you, but with how nicked up Hendo has been in the past plus the injury woes we've had this year, adding a RB with skill is the responsible thing to do for the Rams.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

In case anyone was wondering what his price would be.


View: https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1585273681198055425

Do it! Send em 2 5ths lol

 

[Kupped]

Basing how good a player is in one game vs a common opponent is laughable. Hunt has had a way more accomplished career and was a MVP canidate in KC before he stupidly kicked a lady that relegated him to backup duty to one of the best RBs in the NFL. I personally think dude has got plenty of gas in the tank. I don't know about you, but with how nicked up Hendo has been in the past plus the injury woes we've had this year, adding a RB with skill is the responsible thing to do for the Rams.

Pound the table harder, dude.
He’s averaging .1 more yards a carry in an offense that has another guy going for 5.9.

In 84… Dickerson averaged 5.6… Redden averaged 5.5.
Why such a big discrepancy between Chubb & Hunt?
Again.. I’d take him.. I just wouldn’t expect him to transform the run game. And I wouldn’t overpay.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Pound the table harder, dude.
He’s averaging .1 more yards a carry in an offense that has another guy going for 5.9.

In 84… Dickerson averaged 5.6… Redden averaged 5.5.
Why such a big discrepancy between Chubb & Hunt?
Again.. I’d take him.. I just wouldn’t expect him to transform the run game. And I wouldn’t overpay.

Of course I only pound the table harder if the price is reasonable which it is at this point vs what may be asked for a pass rusher. I personally want both, but you also need to read my posts. I have stated multiple times that we shouldn't overpay. Our disagreement is that you think Hendo and Hunt are pretty much the same. Hunt is the more talented back for me.

 

[NCRamGuy]

I heard the Rams were looking at the Panthers DL Burns,. Obviously asking price was too high, but the Rams are looking for DL help. THe falcons just let go of their former 2nd-Rd Pick Marllon Davidson. Guy seems like he would be a good depth pickup for the Rams DL, and he might have some familiarity with the defensive schemes. Maybe a good fit and he comes pretty cheap, nice on the cap. Also Tevin Coleman is now a free agent, could be a decent RB to put behind Henderson and Akers.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I heard the Rams were looking at the Panthers DL Burns,. Obviously asking price was too high, but the Rams are looking for DL help. THe falcons just let go of their former 2nd-Rd Pick Marllon Davidson. Guy seems like he would be a good depth pickup for the Rams DL, and he might have some familiarity with the defensive schemes. Maybe a good fit and he comes pretty cheap, nice on the cap. Also Tevin Coleman is now a free agent, could be a decent RB to put behind Henderson and Akers.

If we go more of a "bargain" hunting route, I'd go after Jerry Hughes. Its possible that the asking price for a Chubb can get outta hand if another team comes in with a crazy offer that ups the ante. Exciting and anxious time for us Rams fans for sure. Tevin Coleman wouldn't be a bad add either for depth.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I think Marlon Davidson is more of a down D-Lineman that plays mostly inside, and would compete with players like Copeland, Williams and Brown for back-up snaps behind starters Gaines and Robinson. Think the Rams are OK there.

Brian Burns is more of an Edge / pass-rusher who’s mostly outside the OT. Think they would like to add such a player to compete with Floyd, Hollins and Lewis.