Trade Deadline Rumors and Trades

[payote75]

Hard to explain what's going on with that Defensive front, seems Donald is doing his Donald thing, but Gaines has been struggling with injury and even Robinson seems off at times. Floyd has disappeared this season and with no-one really producing on the opposite side, we've been facing some bleak times on occasion, although they are far from our worst overall unit. Copeland has done well in reserve, but Hoecht & J. Williams have had few snaps and may be more suitable for the practice squad. Donald isn't getting any younger and his snaps, like last year, are approaching 90%, whereas Robinson is closer to 57%, although the afflicted Gaines is at a personal high of near 84%, topping his past highs by almost 20%. I am a bit concerned over exhaustion/fatigue for a couple of our starters. We may not have a Van Jeff, Allen or Shelton returning for the D, but we do have big Bobby Brown re-entering the picture, so hopefully he can add some relief as well as some bulk to that interior. jmo.

That though doesn't solve the issues the blitzing is at an astonishing rate that's not the Rams the pressures are almost 100 behind the leading cowboys 100......that's ludicrous.....then our corners have to play off Wagner can't be used to fullest potential even though he has be good and we also have faced one dynamic passive team and they tore us to shreds. So for the defense they need that help a on the edge also why we prone to the big play. We need to be able to just rush 4 which was key on beating the niners and others and key for many teams honestly.

We are top 5 defense playing this way we can be better in turn that helps the offense. Our luck will run out on defense when you see different qbs that edge effects everything.

 

[payote75]

Hard to explain what's going on with that Defensive front, seems Donald is doing his Donald thing, but Gaines has been struggling with injury and even Robinson seems off at times. Floyd has disappeared this season and with no-one really producing on the opposite side, we've been facing some bleak times on occasion, although they are far from our worst overall unit. Copeland has done well in reserve, but Hoecht & J. Williams have had few snaps and may be more suitable for the practice squad. Donald isn't getting any younger and his snaps, like last year, are approaching 90%, whereas Robinson is closer to 57%, although the afflicted Gaines is at a personal high of near 84%, topping his past highs by almost 20%. I am a bit concerned over exhaustion/fatigue for a couple of our starters. We may not have a Van Jeff, Allen or Shelton returning for the D, but we do have big Bobby Brown re-entering the picture, so hopefully he can add some relief as well as some bulk to that interior. jmo.

Oh by the way dude listen to that Jourdan and Hammond podcast I posted it yesterday I believe in this thread but not hard to find it's pretty interesting.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Can we do all three of those PFF trades right now…like right NOW.

That's an awfully high price for a half-season rental of Chubb should it work out that way. With Von Miller we lost 2 draft picks, this proposed deal we could lose 3, and with our OL do you believe these two acquisitions get us to the Super Bowl ?
The trade of Akers and bringing in D'Ernest Johnson I'm in 100% agreement with.

 

[blackbart]

James Robinson trade shows Rams may not get much for Cam Akers​

James Robinson trade shows Rams may not get much for Cam Akers

The Jaguars got a conditional 6th-rounder for James Robinson. Can the Rams get any more than that for Cam Akers?

theramswire.usatoday.com

PFF lays out 3 trade ideas involving the Rams

Pro Football Focus suggested three trade ideas for the Rams, bringing in two players and shipping off one of their own

theramswire.usatoday.com

Sounds like something a ROD member wrote.

I don’t want Chubb, especially for that much draft capital on a rental.

 

[PhillyRam]

The rams blitz rate is at an astronomical high its why thise big ayes occur fir the defense to be ats its best they have to be able to rush with four and as good as wagoner has been it would only help him that much more. Help I g the edge goes far beyond just a glamorous move it has such a domino effect that it could help possibly right the ship as much as possible if its the correct edge. Thats why the dbs play 10 yds of thats why ramsey is looming more mortal than usual thats why AD can be triple teamed. AD accounts for almost half the rams pathetic pressure rate and has 2 sacks. Its wild to me that how thats not being seen. You cant keep blitzing and playing off because thats where teams will go short and bust big ones or run because your sending a blitz and they know it and they can kill you. You must improve the superior unit I. Effect that will help the unit that right now is inferior but partially to lack of health. The edge for us or the defense in general not injured just lacking.

The defense doesnt have Brian Allen coming back or Shelton or Van jefferson and while the jusry still out on Shelton and even allen to an extent they were always penciled in as starters. Where as edge is litterally abysmal rt now probably worse than the o-line.

I have been very vocal ablut getting stafford help still am but hopefully its coming in one way or another.

Ad needs that same help maybe even more.

Ouch...My head hurts.

 

[payote75]

I'm not so sure he would be a rental at 26. He becomes more foundational piece and you can always add the clause for the extra pick should we resign him. Chubb would make a difference

 

[Merlin]

Then you are also saying that Donald and Stafford are the "Window" because McVay will not endure as HC without them.

I am not sure of that. Had Donald retired this season McVay would still have coached I think.

Not having a QB he trusts would be a big drain on him but he would find someone to do the job and he'd compete. He has done that twice before with Cousins and Goff.

As long as we have McVay we are a playoff contender minimum. Meaning he won't ever lose a lot of games. But of course to allow him to compete with the very best units he will require those key pieces that can play at that level.

 

[payote75]

Ouch...My head hurts.

I'm sure it does it can only process so much take two Tylenol and call someone who gives a rats ass lol.

 

[Riverumbbq]

That though doesn't solve the issues the blitzing is at an astonishing rate that's not the Rams the pressures are almost 100 behind the leading cowboys 100......that's ludicrous.....then our corners have to play off Wagner can't be used to fullest potential even though he has be good and we also have faced one dynamic passive team and they tore us to shreds. So for the defense they need that help a on the edge also why we prone to the big play. We need to be able to just rush 4 which was key on beating the niners and others and key for many teams honestly.

We are top 5 defense playing this way we can be better in turn that helps the offense. Our luck will run out on defense when you see different qbs that edge effects everything.

I think the difference between our approach for this season is that you are far more willing to spend big on what I may consider rental players that likely don't get us to the Big Show anyway. Sure, someone like Chubb will undoubtedly help our pass rush to a large degree this season, but with our OL I don't have the confidence that just a DE and a RB will take us where we want to ultimately go.
I'd be all in on Brian Burns if the price was right, although I don't believe he gets us to the S.B. this year either, but at least he offers a long term solution to our future pass rush needs. jmo.

 

[Loyal]

I am not sure of that. Had Donald retired this season McVay would still have coached I think.

Not having a QB he trusts would be a big drain on him but he would find someone to do the job and he'd compete. He has done that twice before with Cousins and Goff.

As long as we have McVay we are a playoff contender minimum. Meaning he won't ever lose a lot of games. But of course to allow him to compete with the very best units he will require those key pieces that can play at that level.

He made promises to AD, Stafford, And Von Miller on the Victory float to "run it back." If those players are gone and the TV money and the comparative low hours worked to be a commentator are available, I would say it's better than a 50% chance he goes. I guess we'll see if he's willing to start from scratch with unproven talent, or take the TV deal.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Oh by the way dude listen to that Jourdan and Hammond podcast I posted it yesterday I believe in this thread but not hard to find it's pretty interesting.

I listened to it, and they said all the right things other than the potential future CAP significance of individual players.

 

[Ram_Rally]

Hypothetical while we wait:
If the Rams don't manage to get an edge pass rusher... Would you trade a 3rd for da'ron Payne (sp)? Could at least collapse the interior of we can't get edge help. Him next to Donald would be impossible to double team.

 

[Kupped]

He made promises to AD, Stafford, And Von Miller on the Victory float to "run it back." If those players are gone and the TV money and the comparative low hours worked to be a commentator are available, I would say it's better than a 50% chance he goes. I guess we'll see if he's willing to start from scratch with unproven talent, or take the TV deal.

He's also flipped back to saying he's a coach and it's what he is and does.
We'll see what that means, as far as career arc.

 

[Merlin]

But he WON it with Stafford, are you kidding me? Without Stafford, we lose in the Divisional round...even with AD. Don't let recency bias cloud your memory.

Anyone who doesn't allow themselves to see what Stafford did in the playoffs will never see reason on this. Three of his games out of four were Hall of Fame level finishes. Classic playoff performances. It was remarkable and a real testament to him and his legacy as a player. I'm all in on a competitive leader who plays through pain and knows how to elevate his game when he needs to.

That said watching him tune himself into that shape was painful. He gambles a lot and tries crazy and sometimes dumb shit. But in the playoffs boy howdy was he money.

James Robinson trade shows Rams may not get much for Cam Akers​

James Robinson trade shows Rams may not get much for Cam Akers

The Jaguars got a conditional 6th-rounder for James Robinson. Can the Rams get any more than that for Cam Akers?

theramswire.usatoday.com

This one cracks me up. Rams were never going to get much for a player who has a very small window of effectiveness and stretches of injury plus some sort of run in with a staff that has shown great ability to handle star level players.

His greatest value lied in them trying to get the bell cow out of him. And that ship looks like it's sailed so...

 

[Kupped]

I listened to it, and they said all the right things other than the potential future CAP significance of individual players.

Too many ifs/thens.
If you get Chubb? You might try to keep him. Or you might let him go and take back the likely 3rd rounder.

 

[Ram_Rally]

Too many ifs/thens.
If you get Chubb? You might try to keep him. Or you might let him go and take back the likely 3rd rounder.

I mean, that's exactly what happened with Miller

 

[Kupped]

I mean, that's exactly what happened with Miller

Not exactly.
They could only get a 5th back for Von because of his age.
They can get a 3rd for Chubb.

 

[Riverumbbq]

I'm not so sure he would be a rental at 26. He becomes more foundational piece and you can always add the clause for the extra pick should we resign him. Chubb would make a difference

How sure were you that Von Miller wouldn't be a rental ?
The Rams are facing significant 2023 CAP costs without Chubb being added to the list, although a huge new back-loaded contract probably is enough to get him on-board for another 3 or 4 years. If Rams management believe he has the same future potential as Brian Burns, then I'd be OK with it, but I'd still rather not trade our 2023 3'rd round pick if we can push that down the road to 2024. jmo.

 

[Psycho_X]

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[Allen2McVay]

Not exactly.
They could only get a 5th back for Von because of his age.
They can get a 3rd for Chubb.

That’s the point; and it’s a big difference. It’s also why I believe it would take more than a third round pick to get Chubb.