Ouch.
Not exactly what I hoped to see.
Lamb appeared to work McDuffie over pretty good.
OFFICIAL TRADE: Chiefs CB Trent McDuffie to the Rams for #29, 5th, 6th and 2027 3rd
- Thread starter KombuchaTea
- Start date
-
To unlock all of features of Rams On Demand please take a brief moment to register. Registering is not only quick and easy, it also allows you access to additional features such as live chat, private messaging, and a host of other apps exclusive to Rams On Demand.
Ouch.
Not exactly what I hoped to see.
Lamb appeared to work McDuffie over pretty good.
To be fair, it’s a Lamb highlight vid, so we don’t have McD’s best plays (I’m hoping). But yeah, agree, optics aren’t the best.
Do tell. Who are these "neutral observers"? And I don't have any inside information like you, but I suspect there was something else behind the Jones deal and there was a GTFO involved.
How DARE you!
WTF???
El Chapo Jr
Legend
Oh don't you bring up KD and rebrand in the same post though hahahahahaha......Snead is awesome no matter what. I love how he just gets what he wants. Honestly our opinion of trades mean dookie and I acknowledge mine is because he's the GM of a successful organization for a reason. I'm just a fan that reacts and has a good time doing so. I'll just say Snead is generous but if he feels it's what he has to do to lock down a trade, so be it. Rather have a ballsy GM like him any day. We are most definitely lucky as Rams fans nowadays because prior to this regime, it was fuckin ugly.
El Chapo Jr
Legend
I caught the hot dude comment too but I actually refrained. I'm fucking dying laughing at your response hahahahaha
And Stafford! I had a lot of arguments that weekend about how much better Stafford was than Goof.
So then - What exactly is the definition of overpaying? It seems to be some vague notion bandied about by those on the outside. Honestly. He could go in and dick around, sour relationships by playing low ball, lose out on important deals, and would that qualify as not getting fleeced?
I'm not arguing with you here. I agree with how you framed this. But what defines things like "overpay", "good deal", etc...? IMO, it's the bottom line. How is what he is doing affecting the success of this team? I just don't think anyone outside of the negotiation can say what is truly an overpay. All we can see is if the deal worked to benefit our team.
“Turbo set!”
Pro Bowler
I would have rather given up 2 2nds, than a 1st and 3rd.
Chiefs would have probably taken it. They needed cap space.
Chiefs would have probably taken it. They needed cap space.
WestCoastRam
Legend
That’s probably what the NYG were offering and it is better than the Rams (two 2nds or even just 29). The giants 2nd round is less than 10 picks away from 29. Their 2nd next year will be top 10 ish (say 37-45). While our 3rd is gonna be around 95. Even if they offered a 3rd next year, it’s still much earlier.
The 5th and 6th round picks are throw away with very little value. So it’s really just two picks - 29 and next years 3rd.
Kinda laughing at so much of the discourse.
Trent McDuffie will be 26 this coming season and has been a first team all-pro and a second team all-pro.
He's a badass, all around corner who can play multiple roles very well, including outside corner.
The Rams single biggest issue last season was the play of their corners.
NONE of the available FAs is nearly as complete a corner as McDuffie and very few are as young.
The notion of "overpay" is just fucking garbage. Period.
First off... it's not an "overpay" if you have the budget to handle it. The Rams have the cap space AND the surplus draft value AND they'll be likely getting a couple of 3rd rounders in the future for their OC.
You went out and got one of the best players in the league at the position you have the greatest need.. and he's young? THAT'S A HUGE EFFING WIN.
Trent McDuffie, by ALL ACCOUNTS.. is an awesome teammate and person as well.. and that stuff matters.
I'm sorry.. but it's an A grade on the trade if you apply any real understanding of value to the roster that McDuffie brings.
Trent McDuffie will be 26 this coming season and has been a first team all-pro and a second team all-pro.
He's a badass, all around corner who can play multiple roles very well, including outside corner.
The Rams single biggest issue last season was the play of their corners.
NONE of the available FAs is nearly as complete a corner as McDuffie and very few are as young.
The notion of "overpay" is just fucking garbage. Period.
First off... it's not an "overpay" if you have the budget to handle it. The Rams have the cap space AND the surplus draft value AND they'll be likely getting a couple of 3rd rounders in the future for their OC.
You went out and got one of the best players in the league at the position you have the greatest need.. and he's young? THAT'S A HUGE EFFING WIN.
Trent McDuffie, by ALL ACCOUNTS.. is an awesome teammate and person as well.. and that stuff matters.
I'm sorry.. but it's an A grade on the trade if you apply any real understanding of value to the roster that McDuffie brings.
WestCoastRam
Legend
We've made a roster of 5th and 6th round picks (Jordan Whittington, Limmer, McClendon, Davis Allen, PUKA!!!!!, Kyren Williams, Quentin Lake).
I wouldn't call them a throw away at all.
The problem with this statement is...we'll, it's factually wrong. There are no facts, not a shred of evidence, that they overpaid per the market.
The market is what other teams were offering, and per reports, there was another team offering something within range.
People can have subjective opinions but those aren't facts. The closest thing to objectivity is to look at the trade chart and put a draft pick value on how much he cost versus how much other traded CBs have cost.
The trade chart says he cost a fraction, less than 55%, of what other elite CBs cost.
Of course you would have rather given up two 2nds; it's much less value than a 1st and a 3rd. But KC would have taken the Giants offer since there's was reported to be first round value.
I think we forget that there's actually a market that drives price.
Jesus Christ, all this sniping and arguing - just rejoice, we got a great young player where we needed merely competence. Now draft Sadiq and win a SB.
Yep, there's no way they paid that much for a one year rental. They must be comfortable about the money.
They did the same thing with cooks. Too bad he kept getting concussions.
.
It's funny, I didn't even think about the trade "value". All I thought was the Rams improved their cb position.
.
The best answer to your question is probably the market.
McDuffie was best as a slot corner, is good outside. So the price of slots as per last year's market was roughly $13M per. The outside corners make more because they are more difficult to find. Rams are almost surely going to pay him more than the slot rate. Significantly so.
Applying this to the trade, the Rams probably plan to use him in the star, which is a fancy slot plus travel type usage. If he plays the field side most of the snaps and kicks ass, then it won't be an overpay. If he plays mostly slot it will be quite an overpay. So since I figure he'll be in the slot quite a bit it is by market probably a bit of an overpay.
Fucking exhausted after typing that on my phone too holy shit.