OFFICIAL TRADE: Chiefs CB Trent McDuffie to the Rams for #29, 5th, 6th and 2027 3rd

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JYB said:
Of course, nobody knows for sure. We're all basing this on only the knowledge we have. But most neutral observers have generally agreed that the Rams tend to overpay for players in these big trades. When the Stafford trade went down, NOBODY expected it would be for two #1s AND Goff. And when you trade away your own player for peanuts and that team turns around and trades that same player for even more draft compensation, it's pretty clear you got less than market value. I love Les, but it seems pretty clear he's overly generous to other teams when it comes to player trades. Shrug.
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Do tell. Who are these "neutral observers"? And I don't have any inside information like you, but I suspect there was something else behind the Jones deal and there was a GTFO involved.
JYB said:
I called their children ugly over this is kinda strange.
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How DARE you!
CGI_Ram said:
Sadiq is the hot chick, and I like that dude,
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WTF???
 
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RamFan503 said:
I think more that it is hard to equate when certain individuals say that Les constantly gets fleeced or overpays and under receives in the same breath they say they love him as a GM. I mean... What is it? He gets taken advantage of in his MAIN job, yet he is really good at his job? I suppose it's not possible that he actually knows his job and knows the values and what a deal will take before he picks up the phone? I suppose it's not possible that he knows more about negotiating deals in the NFL than a few fans on a sports forum? And I suppose he only gets these players that have paid big dividends and that we all appreciate by bending over and taking it from GMs most of us and the league would deem inferior?

Sorry man. It's not that I feel personally insulted. It's that I don't get how some will say they really like him as our GM - yet insinuate he is really bad at one of his main functions of his job. It makes no sense. I can see questioning a trade or deal here and there. But saying that he consistently gets out dueled at the negotiating table is kind of silly for any of us to say while sitting behind a keyboard. I mean, this kind of thinking would also say that KD and Stan are fools who don't understand what they are doing in business. It's all kind of insane.
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Oh don't you bring up KD and rebrand in the same post though hahahahahaha......Snead is awesome no matter what. I love how he just gets what he wants. Honestly our opinion of trades mean dookie and I acknowledge mine is because he's the GM of a successful organization for a reason. I'm just a fan that reacts and has a good time doing so. I'll just say Snead is generous but if he feels it's what he has to do to lock down a trade, so be it. Rather have a ballsy GM like him any day. We are most definitely lucky as Rams fans nowadays because prior to this regime, it was fuckin ugly.
 
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RamFan503 said:
Do tell. Who are these "neutral observers"? And I don't have any inside information like you, but I suspect there was something else behind the Jones deal and there was a GTFO involved.

How DARE you!

WTF???
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I caught the hot dude comment too but I actually refrained. I'm fucking dying laughing at your response hahahahaha
 
Merlin said:
Overpaying is also not the worst thing a GM can do if the player they trade for performs at a high level. And generally when Snead has done the big trades he's paid some premium prices to get the deals done but they have worked out.
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So then - What exactly is the definition of overpaying? It seems to be some vague notion bandied about by those on the outside. Honestly. He could go in and dick around, sour relationships by playing low ball, lose out on important deals, and would that qualify as not getting fleeced?

I'm not arguing with you here. I agree with how you framed this. But what defines things like "overpay", "good deal", etc...? IMO, it's the bottom line. How is what he is doing affecting the success of this team? I just don't think anyone outside of the negotiation can say what is truly an overpay. All we can see is if the deal worked to benefit our team.
 
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“Turbo set!” said:
I would have rather given up 2 2nds, than a 1st and 3rd.

Chiefs would have probably taken it. They needed cap space.
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That’s probably what the NYG were offering and it is better than the Rams (two 2nds or even just 29). The giants 2nd round is less than 10 picks away from 29. Their 2nd next year will be top 10 ish (say 37-45). While our 3rd is gonna be around 95. Even if they offered a 3rd next year, it’s still much earlier.

The 5th and 6th round picks are throw away with very little value. So it’s really just two picks - 29 and next years 3rd.
 
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Kinda laughing at so much of the discourse.

Trent McDuffie will be 26 this coming season and has been a first team all-pro and a second team all-pro.
He's a badass, all around corner who can play multiple roles very well, including outside corner.

The Rams single biggest issue last season was the play of their corners.

NONE of the available FAs is nearly as complete a corner as McDuffie and very few are as young.

The notion of "overpay" is just fucking garbage. Period.
First off... it's not an "overpay" if you have the budget to handle it. The Rams have the cap space AND the surplus draft value AND they'll be likely getting a couple of 3rd rounders in the future for their OC.

You went out and got one of the best players in the league at the position you have the greatest need.. and he's young? THAT'S A HUGE EFFING WIN.

Trent McDuffie, by ALL ACCOUNTS.. is an awesome teammate and person as well.. and that stuff matters.

I'm sorry.. but it's an A grade on the trade if you apply any real understanding of value to the roster that McDuffie brings.
 
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That’s probably what the NYG were offering and it is better than the Rams (two 2nds or even just 29). The giants 2nd round is less than 10 picks away from 29. Their 2nd next year will be top 10 ish (say 37-45). While our 3rd is gonna be around 95. Even if they offered a 3rd next year, it’s still much earlier.

The 5th and 6th round picks are throw away with very little value. So it’s really just two picks - 29 and next years 3rd.
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We've made a roster of 5th and 6th round picks (Jordan Whittington, Limmer, McClendon, Davis Allen, PUKA!!!!!, Kyren Williams, Quentin Lake).

I wouldn't call them a throw away at all.
 
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Merlin said:
But that doesn't mean they didn't overpay as per the market.
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The problem with this statement is...we'll, it's factually wrong. There are no facts, not a shred of evidence, that they overpaid per the market.

The market is what other teams were offering, and per reports, there was another team offering something within range.

People can have subjective opinions but those aren't facts. The closest thing to objectivity is to look at the trade chart and put a draft pick value on how much he cost versus how much other traded CBs have cost.

The trade chart says he cost a fraction, less than 55%, of what other elite CBs cost.
 
“Turbo set!” said:
I would have rather given up 2 2nds, than a 1st and 3rd.

Chiefs would have probably taken it. They needed cap space.
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Of course you would have rather given up two 2nds; it's much less value than a 1st and a 3rd. But KC would have taken the Giants offer since there's was reported to be first round value.

I think we forget that there's actually a market that drives price.
 
Jesus Christ, all this sniping and arguing - just rejoice, we got a great young player where we needed merely competence. Now draft Sadiq and win a SB.
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Soul Surfer said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they have already worked out some kind of contract extension with McDuffies agent.
It's happened, but not usually on a players rookie contract.
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Yep, there's no way they paid that much for a one year rental. They must be comfortable about the money.

They did the same thing with cooks. Too bad he kept getting concussions.

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Pupped said:
Kinda laughing at so much of the discourse.

Trent McDuffie will be 26 this coming season and has been a first team all-pro and a second team all-pro.
He's a badass, all around corner who can play multiple roles very well, including outside corner.

The Rams single biggest issue last season was the play of their corners.

NONE of the available FAs is nearly as complete a corner as McDuffie and very few are as young.

The notion of "overpay" is just fucking garbage. Period.
First off... it's not an "overpay" if you have the budget to handle it. The Rams have the cap space AND the surplus draft value AND they'll be likely getting a couple of 3rd rounders in the future for their OC.

You went out and got one of the best players in the league at the position you have the greatest need.. and he's young? THAT'S A HUGE EFFING WIN.

Trent McDuffie, by ALL ACCOUNTS.. is an awesome teammate and person as well.. and that stuff matters.

I'm sorry.. but it's an A grade on the trade if you apply any real understanding of value to the roster that McDuffie brings.
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It's funny, I didn't even think about the trade "value". All I thought was the Rams improved their cb position.

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