The truth is...Rams DL Aaron Donald is the MVP of the NFL

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NateDawg122

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That's the best news I've heard in forever if it's true. I bet it will turn out to bite is on the butt though.

Can you imagine if they threw a flag every time AD was held? We would never lose a game because he is held multiple times every drive.
 

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Can you imagine if they threw a flag every time AD was held? We would never lose a game because he is held multiple times every drive.
I expect them to call a bunch of ticky tack BS on our guys too "just to be fair".
 

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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...-could-reset-nfl-sack-record-los-angeles-rams

Aaron Donald Won’t Win MVP — but He Could Rewrite the NFL Sack Record
The Rams defensive tackle has spent 2018 terrorizing opposing quarterbacks in every way possible. And with four games left in the season, he has a chance to bring some legitimacy to one of the more bizarre records in sports.
By Riley McAtee

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At the halfway mark of the 2018 NFL season, I wrote about seven single-season records that seemed poised to fall by the end of the year. That included marks for total touchdowns, passing touchdowns, passing yards, passing completions, completion percentage, receptions, and receiving yards. And I very nearly added an eighth category: sacks.

Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald was leading the league with 10.0 sacks at the time, putting him on pace to finish with 20.0, which is within shouting distance of the official record of 22.5, set by Michael Strahan in 2001. I’d written an entire section on Donald and the sacks record but cut it at the last minute, figuring that it would be virtually impossible for a defensive tackle to break that record. Here was my justification at the time:

Donald’s sack rate is probably the most unsustainable statistic in this piece. Sacks can fluctuate wildly from year to year, and Donald’s previous season high is 11.0. The chances he tallies more sacks in just the next eight games than he ever has in an entire season are pretty low.

So much for impossible. A month and a half later, Donald has not only maintained his first-half success, but he’s actually upped his pace, recording 6.5 sacks in the four games since the season’s midway mark. He now has 16.5 sacks, and with four games to go, he’s on pace to finish the season with 22.0, just half a sack shy of Strahan’s record.

To put Donald’s season sack total into perspective, consider this: There are only five active players who have finished a season with more sacks than Donald’s current number of 16.5: Justin Houston (in 2014), J.J. Watt (2012, 2014, and 2015), Robert Quinn (2013), Von Miller (2012), and Chandler Jones (2017). Hell, the Bears’ Khalil Mack—who signed a larger deal than Donald’s just a day after Donald agreed to his long-awaited extension, who rushes from the outside instead of the interior, who looked like an MVP candidate earlier this season, and who will play against Donald this week—has never recorded more than 15.0 sacks in a season.

Donald’s already tied for the third-most sacks through 12 games since sacks became an official statistic in 1982, and he’s done that despite not recording a single one through the first three weeks of the season.

If Donald can keep his recent pace up, he could bring some legitimacy to one of the more bizarre records in sports. Though sacks have become a widely-cited football stat, the NFL’s historical tally is a mess. Strahan holds the official record, but the way he got there seems almost fraudulent. His final sack that season came against Brett Favre, who was good friends with Strahan and reportedly wanted Strahan to have the record.

Late in the fourth quarter of the Packers-Giants Week 17 matchup, Favre changed a play call without telling his offensive line and ran directly into Strahan’s hands, giving the Giants defensive end the sack that ultimately set the record. Favre didn’t exactly win an Emmy for this acting performance:


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There’s also another asterisk that comes with the record: The NFL didn’t start recording sack totals until 1982, so players from past eras have brought Strahan’s record into question. Former Cincinnati Bengals defensive end Coy Bacon, for instance, claims to have recorded 26 sacks in 1976. But others say that Bacon’s figure counts combined sacks as solo sacks, and that the real number would be 21.5 or 22.0.

Meanwhile, some researchers credit Lions defensive end Bubba Baker with 23 sacks in 1978, though most contend he only got to 21.5. We won’t know the real single-season number until someone comes along and blows these figures out of the water, but for now, Donald just has to beat the official tally of 22.5. Which, against all odds, is doable.

Beyond just his sack total, Donald is having a one-of-a-kind season. So far this year, he’s recorded 84 pressures, which is a Pro Football Focus stat that tracks any time a defender disrupts a QB. The closest player to Donald’s number is Eagles defensive end Fletcher Cox, with 66.


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Donald is also first in QB hits with 32, and he’s on pace to finish with 43 QB hits by the end of the year, which would make him the only player not named J.J. Watt to surpass 40 in a season (the stat goes back to 1999).

Donald is also first in QB hits with 32, and he’s on pace to finish with 43 QB hits by the end of the year, which would make him the only player not named J.J. Watt to surpass 40 in a season (the stat goes back to 1999).

It’s also worth noting that unlike Ford and Cox, Donald is doing the majority of his work from the interior of the defensive line. Per Pro Football Focus, Donald has lined up at one of the defensive tackle spots on 415 of his 679 snaps this season, with the Rams moving him around the rest of the time to create matchups he can exploit. Donald specializes in beating offensive linemen with his preternatural quickness, like he did on this Week 8 sack against the Packers:

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And with pure power, like on this Week 7 sack against the 49ers:

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At 6-foot-1, Donald is a little shorter than most defensive tackles, and when he came out of college in 2014, his frame was the main knock against him. But his shorter stature (and lower center of gravity) gives him the ability to gain leverage over his blocker. Basically, he’s both faster and stronger than nearly everyone he lines up against.

Teams often try to negate Donald’s skill set by double-teaming him, but he can beat that, too. On this Week 13 play, he splits two Detroit linemen and bursts into the backfield to record a strip sack of Matthew Stafford:

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What makes Donald all the more impressive is that he combines that physical dominance with technical precision. Remember when he worked out with (fake) knives in the offseason? Watch his hands on this Week 4 play against the Vikings:

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Minnesota lineman Tom Compton barely touches Donald before Donald is slipping through the line to take down Kirk Cousins.

And once Donald gets into the backfield, he does more than just pressure the quarterback. He also leads the league with 20 tackles for a loss this season. Here he is against the Saints in Week 9, blocking Alvin Kamara’s path like a brick wall:

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Donald started to generate some MVP buzz this week, and Vegas now gives him the fourth-best odds to take home the award this year. He almost certainly won’t win — it’s nearly impossible for a defensive player to win MVP, and both Patrick Mahomes II and Drew Brees would need to implode down the stretch to give Donald a shot.

But he’s definitely on his way to his second straight Defensive Player of the Year trophy, with a dominant season the likes of which we haven’t seen since peak J.J. Watt. And if he has a few more big outings, he’ll be able to accomplish something no player has done since 2001: rewrite the sacks record.
 

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I think it's very possible we're watching the greatest season by a defender... EVER. I say that without the slightest bit of exaggeration or hyperbole.

I'll say this, without much recollection of the Deacons prime in the early and mid 60's, this is as much a one man wrecking crew as LT's one year in the mid 80's (86 maybe) where he was so dominant..........and he won MVP that year. That's an indicator of how well he is playing.

Like I said, we would still easily be a top 10 offense without Jared.

An average QB couldn't perform at a high enough level to have more than 7 wins maybe 8 right now. But 7 seems more realistic.

The gap between an average QB and Goff is awfully wide.

12 of his sacks have come in the second half, 8 in 4th quarter
As the game goes on, Donald gets better. Of his 16.5 sacks, only 4.5 have come in the first half with the other dozen coming after the break. Whether it’s because offensive linemen wear down or because Donald makes adjustments at the half, he’s better in the final 30 minutes than the first 30. Adding to that, nearly half of Donald’s sacks have come in the fourth quarter, which is often when the game is on the line.

I don't think it's adjustments I think it's conditioning. Early in the year one of the DB's (I think) was talking about how the Rams were as good as any team when it came to that.

I think Brees pads his stats in the very circumstances where McVay dials back Goff.

Brees has fewer pass attempts than Goff so I'm not sure that's true.

And I don't think McVay dials it back with a big lead either. I think he likes big wins. And I am cool with that.
 

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And I don't think McVay dials it back with a big lead either. I think he likes big wins. And I am cool with that.

Less overall pass attempts is not necessarily the barometer.

Without doing the research I can think of several times the Rams have been way ahead and McVay either takes a knee in the red zone, feeds Gurley to drain the clock, or pulls Goff and puts in Mannion, once the game is in hand.

Conversely, Payton is known for his grudge padding of wins, and doesn’t take the foot off the gas in garbage time. Am I wrong?
 

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Less overall pass attempts is not necessarily the barometer.

Without doing the research I can think of several times the Rams have been way ahead and McVay either takes a knee in the red zone, feeds Gurley to drain the clock, or pulls Goff and puts in Mannion, once the game is in hand.

Conversely, Payton is known for his grudge padding of wins, and doesn’t take the foot off the gas in garbage time. Am I wrong?

I remember Goff taking a knee in the red zone at the end of a game as the clock ran out once.

I don't know if Payton's rep is accurate, I do know he iosn't popular outside of NO though. Bounty Gate ruined his image with fans, same with Williams.
 

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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...s-predictions-ahead-of-week-17-mvp-drew-brees

Who Should Win the NFL’s Biggest Awards This Season?
There’s still one week left on the regular-season schedule, but the cases for MVP, Offensive Player of the Year, Coach of the Year, and more have already been made. Who should be rewarded with hardware this year?
By Robert Mays

Defensive Player of the Year: Aaron Donald, DT, Rams
The shine has come off the apple a bit for the Rams as a whole, but Donald’s season was still the best among defensive players this year. Heading into Week 17, he’s recorded 19.5 sacks this season—as a defensive tackle. That’s already the highest total for an interior defender since sacks became an official stat in 1982, and the Rams still have another meaningful game left.

Only 10 different players have ever finished with 20 sacks in a season, and all of them have been edge rushers. Given how disruptive Donald’s been this year, he’ll likely hit that mark on Sunday against the Niners—but it doesn’t have to stop there. There’s still an outside chance that he can match Michael Strahan’s single-season mark of 22.5 sacks. Again, Donald is a defensive tackle. The idea that we’re even discussing him breaking the sack record is almost impossible to fathom.

Donald’s case doesn’t really require digging past the box score, but let’s do it anyway. His 62 pressures are the most in the league, at any position. He’s disrupted 100 dropbacks, according to Pro Football Focus, 13 more than any other player. Then there’s the sheer dominance that Donald exhibits at least a few times in every game.

His sacks and tackles for loss aren’t coming on flukey plays or being recorded an inch or two behind the line of scrimmage. Donald’s entire season has been a highlight reel of blowing past guards in an instant and tossing QBs and running backs to the ground yards deep in the backfield. All too often, it looks like he’s playing a different sport entirely.

Former DPOY winners Khalil Mack and J.J. Watt have both had excellent seasons in their own right, but aside from Donald, the player with the best case this year has to be Seahawks linebacker Bobby Wagner. He’s been a terror, holding down the middle of a Seattle defense that’s crumbled around the edges due to injury.

Wagner’s ability in coverage makes him arguably the most valuable off-ball linebacker in football, and I’m sure Seahawks fans would shudder to think about what their defense would look like without him. Wagner is certainly deserving, but there’s just no denying how impactful Donald has been all season.

Honorable mention: Bobby Wagner, J.J. Watt, and Khalil Mack
 

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The problem with giving an MVP to a DT is that teams can do more to limit his impact than they can a quarterback. Now if the other guys could take advantage when he's being double or triple teamed maybe there could be an argument.

His presence is so valuable when teams take him out of the equation it impacts things as it allows others to make plays. But the others are not making the plays when he's been doubled and tripled. His teammates hurt his chances to be a legit MVP candidate with their ineffectiveness when he's taken out of plays.
 

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ald-named-decembers-top-nfc-defensive-player/

Aaron Donald named December’s top NFC defensive player
Posted by Josh Alper on January 3, 2019

PFT made Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald our choice for defensive player of the year and the NFL may follow suit when they dole out awards in Atlanta ahead of the Super Bowl, but Donald will have to settle to getting monthly honors from the league for the time being.

The NFL announced on Thursday that Donald has been named the NFC’s top defensive player for December.

Donald fell short of Michael Strahan’s single-season record of 22.5 sacks, but he did pick up six sacks in the final five weeks of the regular season to finish with 20.5 on the year. Only six players have ever recorded more sacks in a season and Donald set records for both the Rams and defensive tackles on that front.

Donald was also credited with 13 quarterback hits and nine tackles for loss in December as he put the finishing touches on his bid for a second straight defensive player of the year award. If all goes well for the Rams, he’ll find out if he wins that award while preparing to play in the Super Bowl the next day.
 

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Anybody think Donald still should be MVP? I think Mahomes wins it in a land slide. Though that shouldn't undermine the season Donald had this year.
 

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They should just rename the MVP to QBPOY, and make QBs ineligible to win OPOY. One D player winning MVP in half a century doesn't change the fact if you're not a QB you would have a better chance of winning Powerball than NFL MVP.
 

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Anybody think Donald still should be MVP? I think Mahomes wins it in a land slide. Though that shouldn't undermine the season Donald had this year.

Yes. I think Donald was the most dominant player in the NFL and better compared to the second best at his position than Mahomes was to the 2nd best QB. "Imo" lol.
Mahomes was great. Thanks to the media, nobody doesn't know that.
Was he any better than Watson was last year before his injury? I dont know. I know he looked great in Andy Reids system throwing to the best WR in 2018.

No problem with Mahomes the player or person... but I hate hype babies.
 
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I'm not going to take anything away from Mahomes. He had a good year (even though I expect a a bit of a regression to the mean next year). He was aided by Andy Reid's 'system', arguably the best TE in the NFL, one of the most dynamic WRs in the game, and a defense that was so deplorable, they constantly had to put up points. Nice recipe for a great statistical output.

I saw a lot of good play from him. I also saw a lot of: Mahomes throws a 10 yard pass to Hill who weaves his way to a 50 yard touchdown..."Mahomes is the best QB ever!"

Meanwhile.....Aaron Donald. Destroys run plays. Destroys pass plays. The NFL double-teamed him all year, and he still set the sack record for interior defenders and almost broke the overall sack record. You want stats? He's got plenty of those too; his TFLs and QB Pressures are more a statistical anomaly than Mahomes' numbers. And Donald doesn't even have the support around him every other MVP candidate has...he gets very little help from the edge and his fellow linemen/LBs. He doesn't benefit from Wade's 'system'...he just lines up and destroys what's in front of him.

Generally I would agree that defensive players don't have the same impact on the game that a QB does. But in Donald's case, that's just not true. He can absolutely take over a game.

Aaron Donald is more dominant from his position than any other player at their respective position.
 

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ald-named-decembers-top-nfc-defensive-player/

Aaron Donald named December’s top NFC defensive player
Posted by Josh Alper on January 3, 2019

PFT made Rams defensive tackle Aaron Donald our choice for defensive player of the year and the NFL may follow suit when they dole out awards in Atlanta ahead of the Super Bowl, but Donald will have to settle to getting monthly honors from the league for the time being.

The NFL announced on Thursday that Donald has been named the NFC’s top defensive player for December.

Donald fell short of Michael Strahan’s single-season record of 22.5 sacks, but he did pick up six sacks in the final five weeks of the regular season to finish with 20.5 on the year. Only six players have ever recorded more sacks in a season and Donald set records for both the Rams and defensive tackles on that front.

Donald was also credited with 13 quarterback hits and nine tackles for loss in December as he put the finishing touches on his bid for a second straight defensive player of the year award. If all goes well for the Rams, he’ll find out if he wins that award while preparing to play in the Super Bowl the next day.

that's surprising seeing he was completely blanked out in two games. i guess if the lions game was played in december it makes more sense.

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QBs always have and always will get preferential treatment for the NFL MVP award. There were 2 QBs that had excellent years worthy of MVP status:

- Brees was the most valuable QB this year and should win MVP.
- Mahomes was the most dynamic QB this year and probably will win MVP.

Donald was the most dominant player this year but as a DL he probably needed to set the sack record in order to overtake Brees and Mahomes. The Rams are very lucky to have him in horns for the next 5+ years.
 

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Anybody think Donald still should be MVP? I think Mahomes wins it in a land slide. Though that shouldn't undermine the season Donald had this year.

Agreed! Although, I would be thrilled to see AD win the MVP but like you said I think Mahomes will win it and it will not be close! And, To be honest I think either AD, Mahomes or Drew Brees (I DON’T like the Saints but I do have total respect for Drew Brees!) would be good choices for the NFL MVP!