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[AZRams]

Purdy seems like a good and nice kid, but I don't believe he'll be any better than jimmy g without the #1 defense behind him and being able to play "close to the vest" offense.

Any older Ram's fans recall how this worked for the Rams in the 1970's?

 

[AZRams]

What caught my ear in this clip (in reference to Carolina trading up to #1) Mortenson says;

“they will try to avoid doing what the San Francisco 49ers did in 2021, when they traded up to No. 3 overall with the intention of drafting Mac Jones, then changed their mind and went with Trey Lance instead.”

I sort of remember the Jones -> Lance pivot was more speculation. Mort makes it sounds to have been true.


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Several others believe that was the case as well.

 

[Flatlyner]

That’s the first I heard that.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/49ers-quarterback-brock-purdy-says-hes-not-really-sure-if-he-will-play-in-2023

Brock Purdy Says He's "Not Really Sure" if He Will Play in 2023​

Talk about burying the lede.

Brock Purdy recently did an interview with Yahoo! Sports, which reported that he no longer is wearing a brace on his surgically-repaired throwing arm. Meaning his recovery is going well. That's what the story is about.

But in the seventh paragraph, the author drops this bombshell: "That remains an early step in recovery, Purdy saying Friday he's 'not really sure, honestly' whether he'll play in 2023 as he takes it 'one day at a time.'

Stop the presses.

That's the big news from his most recent interview -- the fact that he doesn't know if he'll play next season. Not the fact that his brace is off. We knew his brace would come off. We did NOT know he might sit out all season. He is the first person on the 49ers to say that publicly.

At the NFL's annual meetings in a Arizona recently, 49ers general manager John Lynch said the hope is that Purdy will be fully ready for training camp, while head coach Kyle Shanahan said there's a possibility Purdy won't be ready until Week 4. So they didn't have their story straight.

It seems plausible that the 49ers know Purdy could miss the entire season and simply don't want the rest of the league to know that yet. Because if Purdy misses the whole year, then the 49ers have to draft a quarterback, possibly as early as Round 3, and they probably wouldn't want to broadcast their intentions to the rest of the world.

From Purdy's perspective, there's absolutely no reason to rush back. He already has proven he can play at a high level in the NFL -- someone will pay him big bucks eventually if he makes a full recovery. That should be his No. 1 focus -- making a full recovery.

And if he's as special as John Lynch says he is, then the 49ers should want to buy as much time for him to recover as possible, because he could be their franchise quarterback for a decade or more.

If the 49ers draft a quarterback between Rounds 3 and 5 next week, that could indicate they expect Purdy to miss significant time.

Stay tuned.

I mean, they have Lance and Darnold on the team now, and Purdy coming back at the lastest next season. I sincerely doubt they are going to invest any draft pick into a QB. I can't see a team investing a 3rd - 5th round pick into a 3rd string QB. Unfortunately, I think rat face will have Darnold playing the best of his career if he is asked to take snaps.

 

[thirteen28]

In a just universe the Niners wouldn't win another game until 2356...

Why so soon?

 

[den-the-coach]

Unfortunately, I think rat face will have Darnold playing the best of his career if he is asked to take snaps.

It appears that KS has that ability, but hopefully and finally the 49ers will struggle not being able to find the right guy at QB, however, after watching Purdy I just could not believe my eyes.

 

[AZRams]

NFL insider offers insight on potential trade cost for San Francisco 49ers QB Trey Lance

One top NFL insider shares what he believes would be enough to acquire Trey Lance in a trade with the San Francisco 49ers.

sportsnaut.com

Ram fan laughs.

 

[Steve808]

I think Stafford's injury and the poor performance of Wolford was a wakeup call. They have made no move to sign either Wolford or Perkins and if they were going to be casual about it they could have signed one of the retread vets. This tells me they probably are going to draft a QB. Mayfield showed them the value of a good QB2. If they can get one that can be groomed to be a starter in 2025 while providing depth for two years that would be the plan IMO.

If we're going to get crappy play from back up QB's, at least stock the roster with minimum wage players.

Truth be told, if Stafford gets injured, the Rams are toast with Wolford or Perkins.

 

[oldnotdead]

MSN

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Niners trying to pull their own "Stafford" trade.

 

[Merlin]

Cohn lmao. That dude trolls them so hard.

 

[CGI_Ram]

MSN

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Niners trying to pull their own "Stafford" trade.

It would take some serious cap magic.

They have less cap than we do right now, and next year. Granted they could probably lower Bosa’s 2023 hit with extension, but he is a FA in 2024 and about to sign record setting deal. Aiyuk is a FA in 2024.

Deebo’s cap number balloons next year to $28M.

Rodgers is signed for 4 more seasons, and not sure how that contract would be absorbed.

 

[oldnotdead]

They would have to rewrite the contract giving them room with a lot pushed into void years.

 

[RamInferno]

I can't see a team investing a 3rd - 5th round pick into a 3rd string QB.

SF already invested multiple 1st round picks into a 3rd string QB - a move that likely cost them multiple Superbowl titles considering how close they came with said QB making zero contributions. Why not do it again?

 

[snackdaddy]

Aside from the quarterback position the 49ers easily have the best roster in the NFC. Going all in for a guy like Rogers could propel them to the Superbowl. But its not without risk. He'll be 40 when the playoffs come around. And he didn't look like the same guy in 2022 that he was in 2021.

It could pay off. But if they don't win a championship with him it would be considered a failure and the future of that team would be compromised. Not to mention how hard it will be in the Superbowl likely going against QB's like Mahomes, Burrow or Allen.

We were lucky we caught Burrow when we did. He was pretty good then but is better now. With good receivers.

 

[AZRams]

It would take some serious cap magic.

They have less cap than we do right now, and next year. Granted they could probably lower Bosa’s 2023 hit with extension, but he is a FA in 2024 and about to sign record setting deal. Aiyuk is a FA in 2024.

Deebo’s cap number balloons next year to $28M.

Rodgers is signed for 4 more seasons, and not sure how that contract would be absorbed.

He may only play two more of those though.

 

[Cjcinec]

Niners losing in the big game 28 years and counting. As long as Shanahan is their HC they will NEVER win another championship. He fails in the brightest lights.

 

[Steve808]

MSN

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Niners trying to pull their own "Stafford" trade.

I hope the whiners trade 3 first rounders for rodgers. Then if they don't win it all this season, they'll be in cap hell and a loss of draft capital for a long time. rodgers has won as many NFCCG's as Garapollo.

 

[RocknRam29]

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[CGI_Ram]

Niners' quarterback conundrum: What-ifs and what's next regarding San Francisco's direction behind center

Here's what the 49ers' QB past tells us about their future

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Niners' quarterback conundrum: What-ifs and what's next regarding San Francisco's direction behind center​

The 49ers are fielding calls for Trey Lance and Brock Purdy isn't sure if he will play in 2023. This week's news is the latest chapter in the 49ers' QB journey under Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch that has more twists and turns than Lombard Street. One has to wonder if the lasting legacy of their tenure will be, "they were a QB away from a Super Bowl."

There's ample time to answer that question, but also plenty of opportunity to play Monday morning quarterback and suggest the 49ers should already have at least one Super Bowl under this regime.

Look no further than their list of QB what ifs:

49ers QB: What-ifs under Kyle Shanahan/John Lynch​

2017: What IF they didn't write off Colin Kaepernick

The 49ers deemed Colin Kaepernick wasn't a fit for Shanahan's system back in 2017. Kaepernick still hasn't played in the league since, although he did settle a collusion case against the NFL back in 2019. If the 49ers were so enamored with Trey Lance's skill set, you have to wonder what they could have done with Kaepernick. I'm not going to even attempt to answer that mystery.

2017: What IF they drafted Patrick Mahomes

The 49ers could have drafted Patrick Mahomes third overall in 2017 (they passed on him along with nine other teams), but instead opted for defensive lineman Solomon Thomas. Lynch attended workouts for Mahomes, Deshaun Watson and Mitchell Trubisky, but it was a smokescreen as San Francisco had other plans at QB. Still, Mahomes' pro day was impressive enough for Lynch to call Shanahan and say, "we may want to rethink this," per NBC Sports. Imagine if Mahomes' workout had actually swayed the 49ers' brass.

2017: What IF they traded for Kirk Cousins instead of Jimmy Garoppolo

The 49ers traded for Jimmy Garoppolo near the trade deadline in 2017, leaving Shanahan "in mourning" as Kirk Cousins was his preferred target all along. Given all of Garoppolo's injuries, it's fair to wonder if San Francisco would have raised a Lombardi Trophy already with Cousins.

2019: What IF Garoppolo connects with Emmanuel Sanders?

The 49ers' QB what-ifs isn't just reserved for their personnel decisions. What IF Garoppolo had connected with Emmanuel Sanders on a deep ball that could have been the game-winning score in Super Bowl LIV? Garoppolo could have been a Super Bowl MVP. I tend to believe Patrick Mahomes would have led a game-winning drive with around 1:30 left on the clock had the 49ers converted that opportunity.

2020: What IF the 49ers had signed Tom Brady in 2020

Tom Brady reportedly wanted to make a homecoming and end his career with the 49ers when he hit free agency for the first time in 2020. However, the 49ers' brass didn't think he'd be much of an upgrade over Garoppolo, a decision that should haunt them still after Brady won a Super Bowl in his first season in Tampa Bay.

2021: What IF the 49ers traded for Matthew Stafford in 2021

Remember when the 49ers outbid the Rams for Christian McCaffrey's services? Well, apparently that was payback for the Rams swooping in and outbidding the 49ers for Matthew Stafford in the 2021 offseason. Like Brady, Stafford won a Super Bowl in his first season with his new team, which beat the 49ers in the NFC Championship Game on its way to a title. Here's a what IF within the what IF, if your brain can take it. What IF Jaquiski Tartt had not dropped a would-be Stafford interception in the fourth quarter of that playoff game?

2021: What IF the 49ers drafted Mac Jones instead of Trey Lance

ESPN Draft analyst Todd McShay wrote before the 2021 NFL Draft that the 49ers personnel department was pushing for Lance while Shanahan wanted Mac Jones after they traded three first-round picks to move up from the 12th to third overall pick. So what IF the 49ers had actually drafted Mac Jones? Perhaps the better question is, should they have drafted Justin Fields?

2022: What IF Lance and Purdy didn't get hurt in 2022?

This is a really interesting two-part question. The Lance injury was crushing, not just because it left San Francisco down its QB1. We never got the answer to the question, is Lance any good? He has thrown just 102 passes in his NFL career, the same number as Tim Boyle since 2021. It's also fair to wonder what IF Brock Purdy doesn't tear his UCL in the NFC Championship Game against the Eagles. Does he lead them to a Super Bowl title? Maybe. But it would have been an uphill battle after the 49ers missed the replay review on the DeVonta Smith opening-drive, fourth-down catch, which led to Philadelphia taking a 7-0 lead.

49ers QB: What's next​

Of course, hindsight is 20/20 and here's the reality. The 49ers have not won a Super Bowl since the 1994 season and are still a QB away from ending that drought. Reading between the lines, the 49ers fielding calls on Lance, suggests they could be happier with his development (and durability) so far. Given Purdy's status and question marks surrounding Lance, it's fair to wonder what else the 49ers will do to bolster their QB room?

Their front office has been known to be aggressive. They traded three first-round picks to move up for Lance, and once made Garoppolo the highest-paid QB in NFL history.

Here are some options:

Draft a QB​

This is the most logical option. The 49ers can't afford to stand pat with Lance, Purdy and Sam Darnold given this week's news and last year's injuries. They've also proven with Purdy that they can find value at quarterback ANYWHERE in the draft. Armed with three third-round picks and 11 picks total, they have the ammo to land a quarterback outside the first round. Among their choices:

• Hendon Hooker: The 49ers broke the mold and went outside the usual Shanahan scheme fit when they drafted Lance, so why not do so with Hendon Hooker? He's 25 years old and coming off an ACL tear, but he had 58 touchdown passes and five interceptions in his last two seasons in the SEC, coupled with over 1,000 rushing yards and 10 touchdowns on the ground. Hooker could sneak into the first round and be out of the 49ers' price range, and they may also be hesitant to break the Shanahan mold again and draft a dual-threat QB after the Lance pick.
• Tanner McKee: Tanner McKee was one of the QBs who worked out for the 49ers at their pro day at Levi's Stadium. He also happened to play for Stanford, Lynch's alma mater. Question is, does he fit in Shanahan's system? He's a 6-foot-6 pocket passer, but lacks the ability to elude the rush and extend plays, according to CBS Sports HQ NFL analyst Brady Quinn.
• Stetson Bennett: If Stetson Bennett thrived with the best supporting cast in college football, it stands to reason he could do so with one of the NFL's most talented teams. Bennett could also be a Purdy-like quarterback for the 49ers, as he throws with anticipation and has mobility to extend plays.
• Jake Haener: Like McKee, Fresno State's Jake Haener was also at the 49ers' Pro Day. Haener also has had a couple of calls with 49ers QB coach Brian Griese. He brushed off comparisons to Brock Purdy per NBC Sports, but there are some similarities. Both are undersized, can excel on intermediate throws and have enough pocket mobility to evade the rush.
• Dorian Thompson-Robinson: The 49ers had a private workout for UCLA's Dorian Thompson-Robinson, who could be a Day Three pick, and a cheaper dual-threat option than Hendon Hooker. He can make the intermediate throws in the 49ers system and extend plays, although CBS Sports analyst Ryan Wilson sees him as a QB3 with a chance to be a bonafide backup in two to three years.

Stick with their current QB room​

This seems like the least-wise option given Purdy's injury and the lack of confidence in Lance. The 49ers did sign Sam Darnold, who was better last year with the Panthers, but in just six starts. The 49ers would be playing with fire to stick with their current QB room given they had four different quarterbacks get hurt in 2022.

Lure Tom Brady out of retirement​

This is the most appealing option. Brady has given no indication he's coming out of retirement, but perhaps bygones could be bygones and he could sail into the sunset with San Francisco. Brady didn't look as sharp last season, but he was dealing with a supporting cast that pales in comparison to what he'd inherit with the 49ers.

Trade for Kirk Cousins​

The 49ers spoke directly with the Vikings at the NFL Scouting Combine about a potential trade involving Lance. Given Shanahan's affinity for Kirk Cousins, who is entering a contract year, you can't rule out a swap. Our Cody Benjamin laid out some a trade scenario where the 49ers would send Lance and a 2023 third-round pick for Cousins and a 2024 second-round pick.

Trade for Lamar Jackson​

The 49ers have essentially ruled themselves out of the Lamar Jackson sweepstakes due to salary cap constraints and contentment with their current QB room, but I'd urge them to reconsider. Imagine Jackson with Christian McCaffrey, Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk and George Kittle. The sheer possibility of having one of the most electric five-man skill player combos ever is worth the investment. The 49ers have gambled big on a QB (Lance) before, why not take another swing here and then pull off some salary cap gymnastics to get under the cap.

Sometimes to know where you're going, you have to know where you've been. Based on Shanahan's reputation as a QB whisperer of sorts, and the 49ers' failure with big investments at QB (Garoppolo and Lance ... so far), they are much more likely to play it safe and add a QB in the draft, unless Brady comes calling.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

They should have signed Brady. Before that, they should have traded for Cousins. Then they wouldn’t have needed Brady.

Cousins would look great in the Shanahan system. Rumor is that the Vikings will let are looking for his replacement. They don’t want to extend Cousins.

 

[dang]

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I’d be shocked if anyone offered better than a 4th round for Lance. I believe in Lance being a starter but he’s proven nothing yet.