The Known CHEATERS... Cheatriots & Astros

[RhodyRams]

spring training going to be beanball central

 

[OldSchool]

I do feel like there should be some structure in the league laws that covers cheating. Coaches (who set the tone with a locker room and who are responsible for the on field product) that are party to that should be fired for a first offense, and banned thereafter. This would put a lot of pressure on them to ensure things are clean.

If cheating goes to the owner level, there should be a clause that allows the other owners to force a sale. That's the only type of thing they would fear.

Players it's a bit more complicated. I'm sure one could come up with fair rules to apply to them but is it worthwhile. In the Astros' case (where players are a big part of something going on) is it possible for an NFL team to have players run a scandal like that? I just don't know how feasible that is to the way the NFL is structured but it would be fair to say they should be included with bans of varying degrees.

Why? The precedent has been set now. Cheat all you want you'll still be able to call yourselves champs and wear your rings. The team loses a couple draft picks the coach and gm get fired for a year before they get hired back and your billionaire owner pays a pittance of a penalty. MLB and NFL are encouraging cheaters.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Quality discussion.

What you guys need to understand is the NFL is listed as a Entertainment business legally, not a Sports entity since JFK gave them that exception in the 60’s. The Fuckery goes way back before the 2001 SB and subsequent cover up. That’s just what woke most of us up to something isn’t right here.

Ive found by research quite a bit of things this off season that has questioned my fandom towards the NFL and my team. Most of which I haven’t been able to dismiss.

Something I thought only quacks said the NFL is like the WWE. Now I’m starting to think there is some slivers to that truth that are pretty insurmountable due to fact checking, not to mention other things that are highly probable.

^ That sounds like a thread, all itself.

 

[Corbin]

Quality discussion.




^ That sounds like a thread, all itself.

I might make one tomorrow. The question is Rams talk? Other sports? Off topic?

 

[CGI_Ram]

Rams talk

Works for me.

If it overlaps with the moon landing, maybe here;

Off topic?

 

[TexasRam]

On One hand I am furious that my sports teams have been cheated out of multiple Super Bowls and World series Championships.

On the other hand I am confused how much I care about young men running around in matching outfits playing a game with a ball. Men of who I don't know or will ever speak to or get a dime from.

Curse my uncles who brainwashed me to believe there was great importance to the outcome of a sportsball game.

 

[kurtfaulk]

On One hand I am furious that my sports teams have been cheated out of multiple Super Bowls and World series Championships.

On the other hand I am confused how much I care about young men running around in matching outfits playing a game with a ball. Men of who I don't know or will ever speak to or get a dime from.

Curse my uncles who brainwashed me to believe there was great importance to the outcome of a sportsball game.

the great thing about sports is they affect your life but they really don't. you get angry and down when your team loses big games but a couple of days later does it really affect your life? sure superbowl 36 scarred me for life but i never sit there and think about it and get depressed. it's like a mossie that hovers next to you now and then. it's irritating at that moment but when it goes away you don't ponder that it was trying to bite you, you forget all about it.

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[LesBaker]

Don’t know if that should be in blue or not but here is a an excerpt of a great post from a Broncos website:



2. The NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe. Contrary to the perception of the NFL being 32 separate franchises battling it out for gridiron supremacy. In a franchised environment, such as McDonalds (Business 101), each franchise is individually owned and operated and can participate in national promotions, have its own local promotions, or abstain from participating (hence the fine print in commercials saying "at participating locations".

This keeps the regionality of competition in tact without having to compete on a national level. MLB has this status, the NFL does not. Instead, since the NFL has this Anti-Trust exemption, it is able to package its teams in order to sell to national television companies, which today totals $6 Billion in revenue for the league. That is 75% of the leagues total annual revenue. In a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL attorney Gregg H. Levy argued that "the NFL is not a collection of 32 individual teams, but rather a single entity. And as long as the NFL teams are a unit, and they compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, then they should be deemed a single unit and not subject to any Anti-Trust laws."

There is only another "sports" organization that I can think of that follows this, the WWE. Levy also argued that the league markets its products and merchandise as a whole to promote the NFL as a whole. These arguments led all the way to lockout during the 2011 offseason. The league would still earn $5 Billion in revenue, even without a single game being played.

Professional sports is the only industry without ANY federal oversight. Therefore the league can do and go as they see fit, this is something the players were concerned about going into the lockout, the NFL players themselves sought help from US Congress asking for oversight of the NFL. And NFL players wanted an explanation as to why the NFL owners were granted an Anti-Trust exemption in the first place. They didn't get it.

The NFL proved in this lawsuit that they see themselves as a single unit in the "entertainment" industry and the unique league revenue sharing strategy is not common amongst professional sports leagues.”

Plenty of FBI investigations and documents compiled corroborate these sentiments.

This has nothing to do with the topic. How the NFL is structured as an entity has nothing to do with cheating or games being fixed.

Also how do you know only the WWE follows the same guidelines? And what the hell does that have to do with anything anyway.

The obvious "it's fixed/fake/predetermined" comparison to WWE is a myth debunked many times over and for many years.

 

[dieterbrock]

I might make one tomorrow. The question is Rams talk? Other sports? Off topic?

Wherever threads about UFO sightings, flat earth philosophies or other whacked out conspiracy theories would go. This "theory" was the rage a bunch of years ago and was debunked then.
All this nonsense started with some frivolous lawsuit that went nowhere.

 

[Selassie I]

Think about this...

In MLB, the GMs and coaches of the cheating teams have been FIRED. The players involved have a kind of weird protection from their union but everyone (including players from other teams) are outraged about their cheating. The league is already issuing warnings about not looking the other way if the cheating players get targeted by non cheaters (like drilling them with a pitch). The media is going apeshit too about how this cheating has destroyed the game and it's recent results. The decision makers and players involved are now considered criminals by EVERYONE.


In the NFL, the GM and coach (Belicheat) damn sure wasn't fired. At some point after repeatedly being caught cheating, he received a penalty in the form of a fine. He's continued to cheat up until this very day though... and many including the media praise this REPEATED cheater as the Greatest Of All Time.

The players on the Cheatriots haven't been penalized or even looked down upon in any way. Basically everyone including the media pretend that they weren't knowingly cheating at all. That's madness. Stealing signs and filming everything so you know what play is being called by the other team is basically the same thing. These players were 100% involved. Hearing HOFers Faulk and Bruce talk about the cheat defenders undoubtedly knowing the Ram plays inside and out is absolute proof. The players and coaches who talk about how the Cheatriot cheating changed the results of games are literally scoffed at by everyone and the media as sore losers.

And let's throw Brady's bitchass into the discussion. Yeah they actually suspended him for his illegal ball manipulation. You know... baseball does that too when pitchers doctor up balls... they deal with it with true penalties and shame though for the players. But Brady's suspension for this was also literally scoffed at by everyone including the media. People still proclaim that what he did (including the lies from him & team staff members and more destroyed evidence) had absolutely nothing to do with them winning. Most to this day, especially the media, call that cheating MFer the GOAT.


All of this is so polar opposite as I watch it unfold. I can't believe the difference really. How in the actual fuck is the media not pointing this out?

The Cheatriots were just caught filming the Bengals a few months ago. The NFL needs to be put on blast if they don't handle things like they should when dealing with an organization that has been caught COUNTLESS times cheating.

The "media" needs to be held accountable too. But that's never going to happen. The TV contracts for the NFL dictate what those fuckers spew out of their holes.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

Sadly, I doubt the Astros are the only team in all of baseball that ever cheated in winning an MLB Championship. They are just the team that got found out cheating after winning an MLB Championship. There is a lot of gray area in sports. The trophy is now tainted and worthless. I am deeply disappointed as an old Astros fan. Those that allowed/participated in the cheating should be banned for life.

 

[Merlin]

In MLB, the GMs and coaches of the cheating teams have been FIRED.

Your post summed things up nicely for how I feel on the subject. The difference in the two leagues is glaring, and surprises me on the heels of all the roid BS of yesteryear.

 

[Selassie I]

Your post summed things up nicely for how I feel on the subject. The difference in the two leagues is glaring, and surprises me on the heels of all the roid BS of yesteryear.

It really is amazing to me when you compare everything.

I'm pissed that it isn't being presented this way by the media hacks.


Hopefully the last filming of the Bengals (because they had a new coaching staff this yr btw) that the Cheatriots were just caught with a few months back will bring this ridiculous difference to the forefront. I won't hold my breath though.... Belicheat will probably receive an award instead.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

One MLB player says what the Astros did was worse than the steroids era, because it was an organized team wide cheat and in the end a steroid user still had to hit the pitches without knowing what was being thrown

 

[majrleaged]

I do feel like there should be some structure in the league laws that covers cheating. Coaches (who set the tone with a locker room and who are responsible for the on field product) that are party to that should be fired for a first offense, and banned thereafter. This would put a lot of pressure on them to ensure things are clean.

If cheating goes to the owner level, there should be a clause that allows the other owners to force a sale. That's the only type of thing they would fear.

Players it's a bit more complicated. I'm sure one could come up with fair rules to apply to them but is it worthwhile. In the Astros' case (where players are a big part of something going on) is it possible for an NFL team to have players run a scandal like that? I just don't know how feasible that is to the way the NFL is structured but it would be fair to say they should be included with bans of varying degrees.

The Astros should be suspended for a year. The whole team. The trophy taken away. That would put end to future cheating and all the controversy.
If nfl should have done that as well.

 

[Mojo Ram]

And my ex wife...

 

[Corbin]

This has nothing to do with the topic. How the NFL is structured as an entity has nothing to do with cheating or games being fixed.

Also how do you know only the WWE follows the same guidelines? And what the hell does that have to do with anything anyway.

The obvious "it's fixed/fake/predetermined" comparison to WWE is a myth debunked many times over and for many years.

It has everything to do with the topic ‘cheating’.

Can you name another big entity that legally classified itself as ‘ sports entertainment’ without Google?


There has been proven cases of cheating and fixing since the leagues inception. With the millions and eventuallyI’m starting to think they’ve gotten pretty freaking good and making modifications here and there.

Ratings and story lines trump. period.

Come on Les I would think for someone who believes in fairy tales like ‘ the wage gap’ would consider this a bit!

Wherever threads about UFO sightings, flat earth philosophies or other whacked out conspiracy theories would go. This "theory" was the rage a bunch of years ago and was debunked then.
All this nonsense started with some frivolous lawsuit that went nowhere.

No it wasn’t debunked. It’s fact. As a business entity it’s listed as ‘Sports Entertainment’. Pull financial records and look it up.

Just because a professional skeptic is just as ludicrous as a professional conspiracy theorist that believes anything.

Speaking of that lawsuit the NFL’s lawyers argued that it’s a ‘sport entertainment’ industry as per the transcripts of the proceedings. But that’s whacko nonsense right?

 

[den-the-coach]

Sadly, I doubt the Astros are the only team in all of baseball that ever cheated in winning an MLB Championship.

I totally disagree and not they way they did it! Sorry, it bothers me when people take this approach, the Astros are a disgrace and I actually believe the Commissioner did as much as he could because they are not taking the title away, but that organization is a disgrace to the game and should never be forgiven for it.

IMO, they should be moved to the Philippines and be renamed the Manila Folders!

 

[dieterbrock]

No it wasn’t debunked. It’s fact. As a business entity it’s listed as ‘Sports Entertainment’. Pull financial records and look it up.

Just because a professional skeptic is just as ludicrous as a professional conspiracy theorist that believes anything.

Speaking of that lawsuit the NFL’s lawyers argued that it’s a ‘sport entertainment’ industry as per the transcripts of the proceedings. But that’s whacko nonsense right?

Yes it was debunked.
The "sports entertainment" lingo isn't what "protected" the NFL from the law suit, it was a frivolous attempt at reaching for a green carrot and correctly ruled as such.
Now that sports gambling is legally wagered on, it further emphasizes the irrelevancy of the "sports entertainment" angle. How? MLB has a full blown cheating scandal on their hands, and yet they aren't liable for damages, despite not having the "sports entertainment" designation.
It was a nugget that conspiracy theorists ran with, had some fun with for a couple minutes, and then was shot down for the silliness that it is.
WWE does not pretend to be anything other than what it is. A show.
And its has nothing to do with its "designation"