The Johnny Manziel Thread

[ramsplaya16]

Oh yeah. He's such a great guy. He totally trashed a house he rented, and then there's this quote from his ex grlfriend:

"Manziel was charged in April of 2016 and Crowley said in court documents that Manziel struck her so hard that she temporarily lost hearing in one ear and that he threatened to kill her."

When did I ever say he was a great person? I said he was a troubled person who made some mistakes. Okay, he trashed a house he rented? Big deal, he would have to pay for it.

The domestic violence was different. But once again, made a mistake, haven’t heard of him doing it again since, he’s trying to get his life back on track.

I forgot that people don’t ever deserve 2nd chances right? I’m sure no one you know or are friends with have ever made a mistake that you weren’t willing to forgive them for? He is a kid, trying to get his life straightened out. I really don’t care if he makes it in the NFL or not, but whether he does or doesn’t, I hope he continues on this path for his life.

 

[ramsplaya16]

As much as I believe in 2nd chances and root for people to successfully deal with their addictions, I don’t disagree with what you said.
I had forgotten about the details of his transgressions, it wasn’t pretty.
Alas, we have a TE on our team who caved in someone’s head and an oline coach who assaulted and threatened a teenager (and his family) and yet we “forgave” that.
It’s a slippery slope

This. He made a mistake. We can’t hate him for what he did and be okay with it for other players or coaches, at that point it is a very slippery slope indeed.

 

[fearsomefour]

Selfish in addiction I totally agree. In the recovery? Don’t agree, it’s not selfish at all

Of course they are.
It (recovery) has to be the focus of their life. Above other people. Above other interests etc.
They, as always, need to be the center of their own focus. At least during the first part of that process.

 

[dieterbrock]

Of course they are.
It (recovery) has to be the focus of their life. Above other people. Above other interests etc.
They, as always, need to be the center of their own focus. At least during the first part of that process.

How is that selfish? Is going on a diet selfish? Working out at a gym?
No, it’s not selfish. In fact on the contrary, most 12 step programs are predicated on helping others.

 

[Karate61]

When did I ever say he was a great person? I said he was a troubled person who made some mistakes. Okay, he trashed a house he rented? Big deal, he would have to pay for it.

The domestic violence was different. But once again, made a mistake, haven’t heard of him doing it again since, he’s trying to get his life back on track.

I forgot that people don’t ever deserve 2nd chances right? I’m sure no one you know or are friends with have ever made a mistake that you weren’t willing to forgive them for? He is a kid, trying to get his life straightened out. I really don’t care if he makes it in the NFL or not, but whether he does or doesn’t, I hope he continues on this path for his life.

My point is that I don't think he's earned his 5th chance yet. Still can't trust him. 90 days...Not enough!!!

 

[LesBaker]

This. He made a mistake. We can’t hate him for what he did and be okay with it for other players or coaches, at that point it is a very slippery slope indeed.

He made A LOT of mistakes, got away with breaking rules, lied to the cops, fled the scene of an accident where a car was badly damaged, he and his buddies did 32K worth of damages to a rental in LA and that wasn't the only time he did that. Click the link below.

https://nypost.com/2016/10/21/johnny-manziel-accused-of-trashing-mansion-with-dog-poop/

I don't care about addition issues and that's not why I wouldn't touch this guy. He can stay sober if he has support and desire.

But he will always be an immature, spoiled little turd who thinks he is above the law. This is about the millionth time he's said he is going to get his shit together and we end up reading about him doing something stupid anyway.

He's friends with Justin Beiber too.

 

[fearsomefour]

How is that selfish? Is going on a diet selfish? Working out at a gym?
No, it’s not selfish. In fact on the contrary, most 12 step programs are predicated on helping others.

We are talking about different things.
Or at least about different steps in the process.
Addicts are what they are. Speaking in general terms, damaged people. Just like with addiction itself there are varying degrees.
Most are absent emotionally and this continues through a good part of their recovery process.

 

[ramsplaya16]

He's friends with Justin Beiber too.

That’s it. Screw him. I’m with you guys.

 

[ramsplaya16]

He made A LOT of mistakes, got away with breaking rules, lied to the cops, fled the scene of an accident where a car was badly damaged, he and his buddies did 32K worth of damages to a rental in LA and that wasn't the only time he did that. Click the link below.

https://nypost.com/2016/10/21/johnny-manziel-accused-of-trashing-mansion-with-dog-poop/

I don't care about addition issues and that's not why I wouldn't touch this guy. He can stay sober if he has support and desire.

But he will always be an immature, spoiled little turd who thinks he is above the law. This is about the millionth time he's said he is going to get his crap together and we end up reading about him doing something stupid anyway.

He's friends with Justin Beiber too.

Don’t get me wrong, I have no desire to see him in horns. Just would like him stay on the sober path and do well for himself.

 

[LesBaker]

Don’t get me wrong, I have no desire to see him in horns. Just would like him stay on the sober path and do well for himself.

I'll always want to see someone turn that around, like most of us I have seen enough damage done..........and even lost a friend because he was a drug addict.

That's a separate thing for me from the two main things.

He's a dickweed spoiled brat. And he can't play at the NFL level.

Maybe he changes those two things but the odds are pretty long IMO.

 

[Gandalf]

It wouldn't hurt to bring him to camp on a league minimum contract with no guarantees. If it doesn't work out, you really don't lose anything. If he proves to be coachable and has indeed changed, you can coach him up, polish his image up a little and turn him into a mid round pick next year.

 

[LesBaker]

It wouldn't hurt to bring him to camp on a league minimum contract with no guarantees. If it doesn't work out, you really don't lose anything. If he proves to be coachable and has indeed changed, you can coach him up, polish his image up a little and turn him into a mid round pick next year.

You could dip him in liquid gold, cover him with four leaf clovers, package him with a unicorn and the Easter Bunny and not get a mid round pick.

 

[Karate61]

It wouldn't hurt to bring him to camp on a league minimum contract with no guarantees. If it doesn't work out, you really don't lose anything. If he proves to be coachable and has indeed changed, you can coach him up, polish his image up a little and turn him into a mid round pick next year.

We are not desperate for a mid round pick. Bringing in Johnny Freako would really mess up the Rams. We not me won't work for Johnny.

 

[Gandalf]

You could dip him in liquid gold, cover him with four leaf clovers, package him with a unicorn and the Easter Bunny and not get a mid round pick.

Maybe, but there have been many players who have over came very difficult times and had successful careers. Ray Lewis had murder charges against him, pleaded guilty to obstruction charges and is now a very respected personality and a member of the Hall of Fame. Tyrann Mathieu has a past very similar to Manziel and has came back to have a decent career.

I am in no way a Manziel fan, never liked the guy at all, but sometimes you can take a chance with a very small risk and have it pay off for you. Just my opinion, really nothing to lose. Rams will most likely will have to bring in a camp arm who won't make the team anyway.

Karate61 mentions that we are not desperate for a mid round pick. But a lot of times mid round picks turn into Cooper Kupp or John Johnson. A team can always use mid round picks, especially teams that have traded away their first two picks and will need to restock their roster with inexpensive rookie contracts.

 

[Varg6]

I’m rooting for the guy. He’s got talent and if he can turn his life around, which he seems genuine about doing, then I wish him the best.

 

[NJRamsFan]

IDGAF about Johnny Manziel :deadhorse:

 

[Afro Ram]

I wonder how many people here talking about addiction and rehabs have ever been in one? If not you have no right telling anyone else about how people think.

As for Manziel I couldn't give a damn if he ever plays again. 90 days is no where near a long time in recovery. Getting married doesn't prove that you have changed your life. Of all the guys that I hope get a second chance he wouldn't be one of them.

 

[LACHAMP46]

At least twice that we know of........back in CLE he pulled over and was smashing her head into the window of the car they were driving. He literally grabbed her hair and was slamming her head into the window repeatedly until she was able to get out of the vehicle.

It wasn't a slap......he was beating her up in both cases.

Just curious, how much time he do for that?

 

[Karate61]

Just curious, how much time he do for that?

"In 2016, he faced a domestic violence charge, which was later dismissed. Under the terms of the dismissal agreement, Manziel was required to complete an anger management class, attend a domestic violence impact panel and participate in the NFL's substance-abuse program."

 

[LesBaker]

Maybe, but there have been many players who have over came very difficult times and had successful careers. Ray Lewis had murder charges against him, pleaded guilty to obstruction charges and is now a very respected personality and a member of the Hall of Fame. Tyrann Mathieu has a past very similar to Manziel and has came back to have a decent career.

The difference is those guys have abilities that keep them in the NFL. Overcoming difficulty isn't the issue. Ability and talent is.

Manziel was a total flop on the field. He sucked and if he had ANY chance at being even a backup a team would have him. But he is terrible so nobody wants him.

He’s got talent

Sandlot talent doesn't fly in the NFL.

Google some videos and watch him. He was totally lost and his highlights in college are all sandlot plays.

He stinks.

Just curious, how much time he do for that?

Not one moment of course. Money changes the rules you know that.