The Goff watch thread

[PhillyRam]

Fair observations....consensus seems to be that Stafford will be a more capable QB in this offense than Goff was....rubber will meet the road soon enough.

I know one thing for sure. Goff would be roasted on here for that Ramsey pick 6 yesterday during redone drills.

 

[Merlin]

Absolutely. It's Stafford time. But do we have to hate Goff and his 4 years under McVay to love Stafford?
Lotsa great games over those 4 years. Lotsa exciting football. Lotsa winning football. By most accounts we should be even better going forward. Let's hope that is a reality. Can't wait to enjoy going further than we have the last 4 years.

Fair point. I certainly don't hate him. Mentioned in another thread re: the cost of acquiring him in fact that I think trading up for Goff was a win for the organization simply because he made us better. But in this league to be a top guy at QB requires improvement in areas you struggle, overcoming schematic approaches that give you problems, etc, and he stagnated after that Super Bowl. Fast forward to that Miami game and that was a significant milestone that demonstrated that lack of improvement, he was the same guy who we saw in the Super Bowl.

But I'm just really tired of the argument and the division among the fan base. I think it's stupid. I think we're way better off now. I think Stafford is poised to show us a pro QB who can live up to expectations of an organization that is a true contender. And I think Jared can take that nice paycheck the Rams gave him and coast on it if he wants or maybe get to work fixing himself and improving but either way that's a Detroit problem thank God.

 

[snackdaddy]

Seems plausible that McVay and Goff just weren't on the same page anymore.

Holy crap... playing QB in the NFL is insanely difficult. Those last minute adjustments on D are crazy. Split second decisions with a ton of variables.... sheesh!

I can read those defenses and go through progressions on Madden. I just can't hit the right button on the controller.

 

[bomebadeeda]

It's hard to blame McVay if he knew Goff wasn't evolving with the offense. What's he supposed to do put more on Goff's plate, even though he (Goff) couldn't get the elementary steps done to begin with? Goff is/was a game manager. We weren't expecting it to dwindle down from a first pick overall, to limited options in year #4. But that's the way it played out. The kid might still be successful, but not in an offense he has to push which is where McVay's offense has evolved to. The Miami game is the one that changed my mind. Goff just couldn't make plays once his first option was taken away. The off-season was the first chance to "fix it". And he (McVay) did. if Stafford doesn't meet or succeed his career average numbers. Then it would be time to focus on the McVay question. Good video. It did a good job laying out basically what we already knew.

 

[Rams43]

I thoroughly enjoyed the vid. Thanks for posting, man.

 

[Memphis Ram]

But do we have to hate Goff and his 4 years under McVay to love Stafford?

Is it hating or simply fans offering a critque on a player? Either way, we as fans have done the same for perhaps many current or former players, but somehow it appears that there is a group that deems Goff as untouchable for some reason.

 

[Tano]

That Miami game was on both McVay and Goff.

Goff made some crappy decisions in that game but McVay also put Goff in that situation by not calling the correct play when Miami went into Cover 0 defense. I will state this again and again - the WR screen would have gotten 10 to 15 yards every time Miami went into that defense. Someone really needs to post those plays to show what I am talking about.

 

[Neil039]

 

[den-the-coach]

Love @nighttrain & @CGI_Ram analyses here, time to move on. FWIW I never like trading a 26 year old for a 33 year old, but hopefully, McVay has his guy and we as Ram fans will reap the rewards.

 

[Bootleg]

I wonder what would have happened if the Stafford deal fell through. Camp battle between Wolford and Goff? Draft a QB in the mid rounds? Probably both and neither appealing.

McVay got damn lucky his guy became available and attainable at just the right time. Man, I can't wait for the start of the season to see how this plays out.

 

[PARAM]

Is it hating or simply fans offering a critque on a player? Either way, we as fans have done the same for perhaps many current or former players, but somehow it appears that there is a group that deems Goff as untouchable for some reason.

Offering a critique is one thing. Saying he sucked as a QB is hating. You don't win 42 games under center by sucking. There is no head coach/offensive genius who can get that out of a player who "sucks". That's all I'm saying. Is Stafford better? Absolutely. Am I happy with the switch? Absolutely. Did Goff suck? Not by any stretch. Just because there is allegedly a "group" who deems Goff as untouchable, that doesn't include fans who don't believe he sucked.

 

[Tano]

Offering a critique is one thing. Saying he sucked as a QB is hating. You don't win 42 games under center by sucking. There is no head coach/offensive genius who can get that out of a player who "sucks". That's all I'm saying. Is Stafford better? Absolutely. Am I happy with the switch? Absolutely. Did Goff suck? Not by any stretch. Just because there is allegedly a "group" who deems Goff as untouchable, that doesn't include fans who don't believe he sucked.

I absolutely agree with this.

I am all in on Stafford because he is more experienced and has a better arm than Goff but I felt people hated on Goff too much. I was just hoping that some of Goff's weaknesses would have improved since the 6th season seems to be the turning point for QBs. But Goff is gone so let's go Stafford.

 

[majrleaged]

First off, headlines are supposed to peak your interest so you will read or watch and the video did give us reasons for the break up.
Of course there was nothing really new, but it was a good break down schematically of what took place on the field. I have always supported Goff but could see things were not getting better. I have blamed it on young guy getting paid and distracted by love. McVay thought he should be putting in more time cause he needed to. I was mad at first about the trade, but have come to realize it was good for us. Many say we paid to much, but we traded with a guy who new the team didn't value him much anymore and probably agrees with the assessment because he new all the details. So Goff ends up being a guy we just want out of our way or a throw in. The deal was the draft picks.

 

[PhillyRam]

Fair point. I certainly don't hate him. Mentioned in another thread re: the cost of acquiring him in fact that I think trading up for Goff was a win for the organization simply because he made us better. But in this league to be a top guy at QB requires improvement in areas you struggle, overcoming schematic approaches that give you problems, etc, and he stagnated after that Super Bowl. Fast forward to that Miami game and that was a significant milestone that demonstrated that lack of improvement, he was the same guy who we saw in the Super Bowl.

But I'm just really tired of the argument and the division among the fan base. I think it's stupid. I think we're way better off now. I think Stafford is poised to show us a pro QB who can live up to expectations of an organization that is a true contender. And I think Jared can take that nice paycheck the Rams gave him and coast on it if he wants or maybe get to work fixing himself and improving but either way that's a Detroit problem thank God.

BTW I agree that likely short term we are better, my fear is long-term where will we be? QBs don't grow on trees no matter who your coach is.

I guess that's just my
old school preference of building a long-term solution where you have a guy like Rothilsberger or Rivers for 12-14 yrs. Now we will likely be looking for a QB again in 3-5 yrs.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Offering a critique is one thing. Saying he sucked as a QB is hating. You don't win 42 games under center by sucking. There is no head coach/offensive genius who can get that out of a player who "sucks". That's all I'm saying. Is Stafford better? Absolutely. Am I happy with the switch? Absolutely. Did Goff suck? Not by any stretch. Just because there is allegedly a "group" who deems Goff as untouchable, that doesn't include fans who don't believe he sucked.

But, that's just it. For some reason, critiques turn into the extreme of he sucks when it comes to Goff.

I just find it hard to believe that anyone on this forum would go to such an extreme viewpoint. Sure, things are said in fits of anger during the game, but they are said about any player who has a bad game or makes a costly mistake.

Maybe, I'm wrong, but I'd guess that most, if not, all believe that he's an average to below average QB. Not that he sucks. At least I hope that most understand that it's doubtful he be a starter in the NFL for so long if he sucked.

 

[PARAM]

But, that's just it. For some reason, critiques turn into the extreme of he sucks when it comes to Goff.

I just find it hard to believe that anyone on this forum would go to such an extreme viewpoint. Sure, things are said in fits of anger during the game, but they are said about any player who has a bad game or makes a costly mistake.

Maybe, I'm wrong, but I'd guess that most, if not, all believe that he's an average to below average QB. Not that he sucks.

If somebody says Goff didn't have the necessary awareness he needed, I might agree. If somebody said, he didn't take enough chances, I might agree. If somebody said Goff wasn't exactly the right QB for McVay's offense, I might agree. As soon as I read "he sucks", I take the rest of what is said with a grain of salt.

If you're saying few have said he's sucked, I disagree. There are many. If you're saying a legitamate critique is taken as "he sucks", I disagree. But like many have said, that's all water under the bridge. Stafford is here and Goff is a Lion. I'm all in on McVay and Stafford.

 

[fearsomefour]

To me Goff has a couple of major flaws.
He has a slow, sort of loopy delivery.
He would consistently not see open receivers.
All QBs miss open guys.
But Goff would force the ball into coverage or very tight windows or check down when there guys running open.
A starting NFL QB is the hardest position to fill in all of sports.
Goff is good. He is still young enough he may or may not end up being great at some point.
The comment from Ramsey about Stafford throwing guys open sometimes. That’s the level Goff hasn’t reached.
The defense will likely not be as great as last year, but, they should be very solid.
As for the addition of Stafford.....
A few fewer three and outs per game.
More time of possession/rest for the D.
A QB where you can do all the roll out stuff but you aren’t dependent on it. Drop back passing becomes a strength.
What does averaging 6-7 more points a game do for this team?
If the D can answer the bell, it likely does everything.

 

[Memphis Ram]

If somebody says Goff didn't have the necessary awareness he needed, I might agree. If somebody said, he didn't take enough chances, I might agree. If somebody said Goff wasn't exactly the right QB for McVay's offense, I might agree. As soon as I read "he sucks", I take the rest of what is said with a grain of salt.

If you're saying few have said he's sucked, I disagree. There are many. If you're saying a legitamate critique is taken as "he sucks", I disagree. But like many have said, that's all water under the bridge. Stafford is here and Goff is a Lion. I'm all in on McVay and Stafford.

I agree completely on the last line.

However, we will have a agreed to disagree on the one prior.

Maybe, I've missed it, I've only seen Goffs sucks being used by non Rams fans or by Rams fans defending him claiming that's the belief of other Rams fans critiquing him. It even happened to me and I never said Goff sucks.

 

[Faceplant]

I absolutely agree with this.

I am all in on Stafford because he is more experienced and has a better arm than Goff but I felt people hated on Goff too much. I was just hoping that some of Goff's weaknesses would have improved since the 6th season seems to be the turning point for QBs. But Goff is gone so let's go Stafford.

I honestly cannot say that I have seen ANY hating on Goff on this board. Maybe in the GDTs?? Dunno because I don't visit those often.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I wonder what would have happened if the Stafford deal fell through. Camp battle between Wolford and Goff? Draft a QB in the mid rounds? Probably both and neither appealing.

McVay got damn lucky his guy became available and attainable at just the right time. Man, I can't wait for the start of the season to see how this plays out.

For some reason I believe that we'd be sweating it out as to whether our new QB DeShaun Watson would be able to play this year.