By this logic Stafford would have made the lions a winning team and win a playoff game which he didn’t.
He did actually make them a playoff team. No he didn't win. Big whoop, he was a huge reason why they were there in the first place. And if it weren't for him, the Lions would've been just as bad, as the Joey Harrington days.
Goff took a 7 win perennial team and made them the highest scoring offense and a 13 win team, making the playoffs nearly every year and being voted the 39 and 32 best player in the NFL.
And now where's he at? He didn't make enough plays when teams lean on the QB. What have you done recently, except miss the playoffs and potentially cost them a 2020 division title and playoffs altogether. D absolutely bailed him out.
By your logic the QB wins or loses games. So look at the futility of the arguement - it’s an arguement in favor of Goff.
No, it's not. Mentioning guys like Jim Kelly and Dan Mario, HoFers and saying they didn't win the SB b/c the team was bad is just asinine. JK got there FOUR times. That means he was helluva reason why they got there. Trent Dilfer the anomaly (I'll address this in the next quote) as basis for team? C'mon man.
The truth is a QB Does have a big influence on the game and that is why they are highly coveted in trades and such as you pointed out. But without surrounding talent they can’t do anything. See Stafford with the lions.
And herein lies my #1 issue and bitterness towards JG. He HAD the supporting cast in 2019 and 2020. He became a TO machine despite all that.
Within this lens you can see wins and losses is a bullshit arguement for a QB’s value. Otherwise Stafford is horrible, which he isn’t.
QBs have one of the biggest influences in the game and affect the outcomes of Ws and Ls. Why do you think everyone just loses the wind out of their sails whenever a starting QB goes down to IR, even if they had all pros everywhere else?
and guess what else teams trade two first rounders for - Jalen Ramsey a defender. They also draft them real early if you can believe that.
Why are you choosing a unicorn event dude? JR is a HoF caliber player, once in a lifetime type. It's not the norm.
not to mention the role dropped passes and injuries play in wins. Mahomes was near useless in the Super Bowl when his lineman went down.
PM was also a huge reason they were there, and that KC had won it the year before. KC also had the most unlucky event where they lost every starting linemen. Had he lost maybe one or two then probably wouldn't have noticed anything. Why? Because it's Patrick fuckin Mahomes and not Alex Smith.
It’s a team game. QBs can affect the games more than any other position but they cannot win anything without the rest of the team
Which again, JG had.
1. Dilfer, one anomaly? Really?
Brad Johnson in 2002 with that Buc's defense?
Joe Flacco in 2012 with the Ravens?
Nick Foles in 2017 with the Eagles?
These were guys who were told 'don't lose the game'.
Tampa was +17 in 2002 with 38 takeaways and 21 turnovers (Johnson had 6 interceptions)
Baltimore was +9 in 2012 with 25 takeaways and just 16 turnovers (Flacco had 10 picks)
Foles started 3 games to finish the 2017 season and passed for a total of 537 yards!
More historic defenses like you mentioned. Is that the norm tho? No. Almost 20 years since Brad Johnson and almost 10 since Joe.
Nick Foles? By association. If it weren't for Carson Wentz having an absolute stellar season he wouldn't even been there. How many back up QBs go on to win SBs? Another unicorn event.
2. 'besides Eli'
Eli Manning was a "Dilfer"?
2 SB wins
#9 all time in TD passes (366)
With points like those two, it's hard to make convincing points.
Look, he was the only one I could think of off the top of my head. Eli had MASSIVE TO issues, even moreso than JG. Just go look at the raw #s. But he made the play to Mario Manningham (I'm not including David Tyree b/c that's an all time flukey play) and now that I think about it, you are right. Eli isn't a Trent Dilfer, b/c Eli actually had the GW drive to Plax for the go ahead score. Against Bill Belichick defense.
What did JG do against them? Yeeahhh. Ram D played well against Tommy that day, even got a pick. Held them to no TDs for much of the game. Robert Woods and Brandin Cooks, pretty good 1-2 punch. BC was open twice, and JG missed him. Twice. Beginning of the end for his Rams career.
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