Suh visiting Rams per source

[jrry32]

I'm arguing that there is a BIG difference between what a dirty player is and a player who plays with an edge.

You seem to equate the two things. Now you are saying he is dirty and plays with an edge.

He's just dirty.

Yeah he has significant talent and value. But he doesn't have an edge, he's dirty.

All dirty players play with an edge. Not all players who play with an edge are dirty.

 

[Ramhusker]

All dirty players play with an edge. Not all players who play with an edge are dirty.

I think we'd be shocked to know exactly what goes on in the pile just about every play. I'd venture to guess, if you aren't being a little dirty, you are getting your ass kicked.

 

[Mackeyser]

@NJRamsFan how the hell have you been!?!?!?

I miss you!

Don't be such a freakin' stranger.



The Titans and Seahawks are looking to make the postseason if things go well for them next year.

Saints and Rams?

They have the SB in their sights.

So you are correct IMO, there are only two places and one is the Rams.



Foles was a good starter with a good OC. Keenum is a solid player who doesn't make dumbass mistakes. So yes it a league that leans towards the O, and almost every rule change in 20 years has helped the O. But you still need at least above average QB talent to get to the playoffs and to have a shot at going deep into the playoffs and to the end of the playoffs you generally need really good quality talent.



He's a dork, a dirty player, and a crap driver.

Google Suh dirty plays. It's almost as long as his highlight film.



Ask me about my Oscar Meyer Weinermobile story. Hahaha if you dare.



No, he's a dirty freaking player.



He is dirtier.



C'mon jrry, there is a difference between "an edge" and a guy who kicks players in the balls and steps on heads, arms, face/head, ankles and all the other crap he has done isn't an edgey guy.

It's a cheap shot artist who is worse than anyone else in the league right now.

So you can't say "very dirty player" and then claim he just has "an edge".

LOL no sale counselor.

I already posted about the stomp. It was BS.

Dietrich-Smith, the GB OG blocked down on Suh in a way that could have broken his back, was unnecessary as it was away from the play and was purely with the intent to injure.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Suh was restrained. If someone did that to me and I'm as big and strong as Suh? I choke his ass out so hard his head pops.

Freak Dietrich-Smith for doing something so disgustingly dirty and then actually playing the victim.

Moreover, almost every single incident involving Suh was preceded by multiple really dirty shots by the other team.

What's funny is that in those "dirty" highlights, they never seem to show the dirty shiit the other team did.

So, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

Suh shouldn't have given in to the provocation, but to ignore that he was provoked with really ugly dirty plays is to succumb to the media bias that the 2nd guy is always guilty.

I don't buy that and it offends my sensibility that it's okay to be dirty and provoke, but not okay to retaliate. While it's NOT okay to retaliate, it's ALSO not okay to be initially dirty.

 

[shovelpass]

I think we'd be shocked to know exactly what goes on in the pile just about every play. I'd venture to guess, if you aren't being a little dirty, you are getting your ass kicked.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81bb14c8/article/nothing-off-limits-at-the-bottom-of-an-nfl-pileup

Nothing off limits in scrum at the bottom of NFL pileup
Associated Press

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Fumbles transform the NFL into the WWE.

When a football hits the ground, players are known to do whatever it takes to get it. Nothing is off limits.

Eye-gouging. Crotch-grabbing. Biting. Kicking. Punching. Choking.

All that's missing are brass knuckles, steel chairs and other objects made famous by the grapplers in World Wrestling Entertainment. Don't be surprised if someone tries the sleeper hold sometime.

"When there's a fumble, all rules are gone. Anything goes," said Jets veteran defensive lineman Trevor Pryce. "Somebody bit me in the arm once, but I got the ball. I started screaming 'Get off of me.' If you're caught in an awkward position -- like your arm is about to pop off -- you start screaming and guys start to get off of you."

It might as well be "Rowdy" Roddy Piper or George "The Animal" Steele fighting for the ball. At a time when the NFL is showing very public concern about hits to the helmet, nobody really wants to investigate the mayhem that goes on when the ball gets loose.

"What goes on in a pile is sacred. You're not supposed to talk about it," Jets linebacker Bart Scott said half-jokingly. "People have tried to break my fingers. You do what you gotta do to get the ball out."

Some of the Browns players complained that the New Orleans Saints used dirty tactics during Cleveland's 30-17 win over the defending Super Bowl champions last Sunday.

Safety Nick Sorensen accused the Saints of gouging his eyes. Returner Josh Cribbs said he was grabbed in the groin area. Linebacker Blake Costanzo told Sorensen he saw teammates getting choked.

"It's a part of the game. It's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again," Sorensen said. "I had heard of eye-gouging before, I just had never experienced it. I was a little ticked off but that's just part of it."

Sorensen says he got poked in the eye when he tore the ball away from Pierson Prioleau after Cribbs fumbled a kickoff in the second quarter. Sorensen held onto the ball, but he understands why players resort to such extreme measures.

"I almost let go when he did it," Sorensen said. "So it wasn't that stupid."

Saints free safety Darren Sharper downplayed what happened, saying it's typical behavior in pileups.

"I thought that's what always happens in the piles," Sharper said. "I've had my eyes gouged. I had my neck grabbed. I've had all that happen. People will do anything to try to get the football. All of that stuff happens in a pile because you can't see anything and a lot of times guys are trying for the football and can end up grabbing other body parts. You don't want to have guys gouging eyes out because that can hurt somebody, but I don't think I've seen anyone really get hurt from a pile, so it's nothing too serious I don't think."

The reason piles get so rough is pretty simple: Turnovers often can be game-changing plays.

"When the ball comes out, that's pretty precious," Bengals guard Bobbie Williams said. "You've got to look at the football as being a flawless diamond that size and it's up for grabs and whoever can get it and hold onto it, they're in a good position."

Even quarterbacks sometimes get involved in all that craziness at the bottom of a pileup. Steelersquarterback Ben Roethlisberger was right in the middle of an end-zone scrum during a controversial play that led to Pittsburgh's 23-22 win at Miami last Sunday.

With the Steelers down 22-20 and less than three minutes remaining, Roethlisberger fumbled as he neared the goal line on a quarterback draw from the 2-yard line. The head linesman signaled a touchdown, so the officials didn't bother sorting out who recovered the fumble.

After a review, it was determined Roethlisberger fumbled before crossing the goal line. Because the replays didn't show conclusively which team recovered the ball, the Steelers kept possession and Jeff Reed kicked a decisive 18-yard field goal.

"Everyone was fighting for the ball, people were grabbing and trying to pull everybody," Roethlisberger said. "I heard, 'Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,' so I let go. I didn't want to get my arm broken."

Eli Manning has a safe approach. The New York Giantsquarterback prefers to stay far away from the scrums.

"I don't get into many of them," he said. "If there is a big pileup, it's usually the linemen around there. You have to fall on him."

Some players have a reputation for taking cheap shots when bodies are stacked on each other -- and avoiding them isn't so easy, especially when the game's on the line and a ball is loose.

"Some of the guys in the league are notorious for grabbing, punching, biting, pinching under those piles," Redskins guard Artis Hicks said. "You do whatever you can to get that ball out, so that's why you see so many guys run and get on the pile. A lot of times it's not necessarily to get the ball, it's to try to protect your guy, too. It's a lot that can go on in those tight confines."

Referees can't really see what's happening at the bottom of the pile, and cameras don't give a clear view when there's a bunch of 300-pound guys jumping on top of each other.

With no fear of being penalized, players will try anything.

"When you're trying to get the ball, you can't get flagged for what happens in the pile," Lions defensive tackle Corey Williams said. "I've had it all done to me, and I've done it to people."

Some players take mental notes of who does what to them in a pileup. Then they wait for the right opportunity to get revenge.

"You red-dot a guy if he does something," Scott said.

What's that mean, exactly, Bart? "Red dot means red dot," he said.

Pileups also give players a chance to retaliate for other cheap shots taken during a game.

"That's where guys get their get-back," Williams said. "If a guy gets cheap-shotted, that guy is going to get his get-back when the refs can't see."

Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press


https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/when-nfl-players-dive-for-a-loose-ball-what-happens-in-the-pile-stays-in-the-pile/

https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/01/04/dirty-deeds-what-goes-on-beneath-the-nfl-pile/


And I imagine it gets more intense if you back through the decades.

 

[Mackeyser]

I think we'd be shocked to know exactly what goes on in the pile just about every play. I'd venture to guess, if you aren't being a little dirty, you are getting your ass kicked.

yep. And I venture that Suh was finally put straight that retaliating and getting penalized would only lead to more dirty play. Which it did, especially when he was in Detroit against divisional foes.

The more he focuses on the game, the less this stuff happens. And I think there's a big difference between him and players like Rodney Harrison and Vontaze Burfict.

 

[Mackeyser]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81bb14c8/article/nothing-off-limits-at-the-bottom-of-an-nfl-pileup

Nothing off limits in scrum at the bottom of NFL pileup
Associated Press

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Fumbles transform the NFL into the WWE.

When a football hits the ground, players are known to do whatever it takes to get it. Nothing is off limits.

Eye-gouging. Crotch-grabbing. Biting. Kicking. Punching. Choking.

All that's missing are brass knuckles, steel chairs and other objects made famous by the grapplers in World Wrestling Entertainment. Don't be surprised if someone tries the sleeper hold sometime.

"When there's a fumble, all rules are gone. Anything goes," said Jets veteran defensive lineman Trevor Pryce. "Somebody bit me in the arm once, but I got the ball. I started screaming 'Get off of me.' If you're caught in an awkward position -- like your arm is about to pop off -- you start screaming and guys start to get off of you."

It might as well be "Rowdy" Roddy Piper or George "The Animal" Steele fighting for the ball. At a time when the NFL is showing very public concern about hits to the helmet, nobody really wants to investigate the mayhem that goes on when the ball gets loose.

"What goes on in a pile is sacred. You're not supposed to talk about it," Jets linebacker Bart Scott said half-jokingly. "People have tried to break my fingers. You do what you gotta do to get the ball out."

Some of the Browns players complained that the New Orleans Saints used dirty tactics during Cleveland's 30-17 win over the defending Super Bowl champions last Sunday.

Safety Nick Sorensen accused the Saints of gouging his eyes. Returner Josh Cribbs said he was grabbed in the groin area. Linebacker Blake Costanzo told Sorensen he saw teammates getting choked.

"It's a part of the game. It's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again," Sorensen said. "I had heard of eye-gouging before, I just had never experienced it. I was a little ticked off but that's just part of it."

Sorensen says he got poked in the eye when he tore the ball away from Pierson Prioleau after Cribbs fumbled a kickoff in the second quarter. Sorensen held onto the ball, but he understands why players resort to such extreme measures.

"I almost let go when he did it," Sorensen said. "So it wasn't that stupid."

Saints free safety Darren Sharper downplayed what happened, saying it's typical behavior in pileups.

"I thought that's what always happens in the piles," Sharper said. "I've had my eyes gouged. I had my neck grabbed. I've had all that happen. People will do anything to try to get the football. All of that stuff happens in a pile because you can't see anything and a lot of times guys are trying for the football and can end up grabbing other body parts. You don't want to have guys gouging eyes out because that can hurt somebody, but I don't think I've seen anyone really get hurt from a pile, so it's nothing too serious I don't think."

The reason piles get so rough is pretty simple: Turnovers often can be game-changing plays.

"When the ball comes out, that's pretty precious," Bengals guard Bobbie Williams said. "You've got to look at the football as being a flawless diamond that size and it's up for grabs and whoever can get it and hold onto it, they're in a good position."

Even quarterbacks sometimes get involved in all that craziness at the bottom of a pileup. Steelersquarterback Ben Roethlisberger was right in the middle of an end-zone scrum during a controversial play that led to Pittsburgh's 23-22 win at Miami last Sunday.

With the Steelers down 22-20 and less than three minutes remaining, Roethlisberger fumbled as he neared the goal line on a quarterback draw from the 2-yard line. The head linesman signaled a touchdown, so the officials didn't bother sorting out who recovered the fumble.

After a review, it was determined Roethlisberger fumbled before crossing the goal line. Because the replays didn't show conclusively which team recovered the ball, the Steelers kept possession and Jeff Reed kicked a decisive 18-yard field goal.

"Everyone was fighting for the ball, people were grabbing and trying to pull everybody," Roethlisberger said. "I heard, 'Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,' so I let go. I didn't want to get my arm broken."

Eli Manning has a safe approach. The New York Giantsquarterback prefers to stay far away from the scrums.

"I don't get into many of them," he said. "If there is a big pileup, it's usually the linemen around there. You have to fall on him."

Some players have a reputation for taking cheap shots when bodies are stacked on each other -- and avoiding them isn't so easy, especially when the game's on the line and a ball is loose.

"Some of the guys in the league are notorious for grabbing, punching, biting, pinching under those piles," Redskins guard Artis Hicks said. "You do whatever you can to get that ball out, so that's why you see so many guys run and get on the pile. A lot of times it's not necessarily to get the ball, it's to try to protect your guy, too. It's a lot that can go on in those tight confines."

Referees can't really see what's happening at the bottom of the pile, and cameras don't give a clear view when there's a bunch of 300-pound guys jumping on top of each other.

With no fear of being penalized, players will try anything.

"When you're trying to get the ball, you can't get flagged for what happens in the pile," Lions defensive tackle Corey Williams said. "I've had it all done to me, and I've done it to people."

Some players take mental notes of who does what to them in a pileup. Then they wait for the right opportunity to get revenge.

"You red-dot a guy if he does something," Scott said.

What's that mean, exactly, Bart? "Red dot means red dot," he said.

Pileups also give players a chance to retaliate for other cheap shots taken during a game.

"That's where guys get their get-back," Williams said. "If a guy gets cheap-shotted, that guy is going to get his get-back when the refs can't see."

Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press


https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/when-nfl-players-dive-for-a-loose-ball-what-happens-in-the-pile-stays-in-the-pile/

https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/01/04/dirty-deeds-what-goes-on-beneath-the-nfl-pile/


And I imagine it gets more intense if you back decades.

I think I recall a story from the 50s when a guy got bit in the crotch on the bottom of the pile.

He screamed so loud and scared guys so much they got off pretty quick, but...yeah. Used to be even uglier if that's possible.

 

[Varg6]

Don't get me wrong, I think he'd be a great addition to the d-line, but at the same time I'm okay with not having a guy who has been known to be a dirty player.

 

[den-the-coach]

Frank is amazing. I like the original better, but I would enjoy Frank singing the Oscar Meyer jingle.

I like the original better too, but felt by putting up old blue eyes, made that song a tad more Macho.

 

[PressureD41]

Tomorrow Suh to visit as per NFL Network

 

[Rams43]

Well, as I see it, the Rams have entered a 2-3 year SB window.

So, it’s time for more bold moves, not less.

I’m kinda skeptical that they can sign Suh, frankly, but if they can afford him, I say go for it.

Assuming that Wade is on board, of course.

OTOH, I would be fine with just picking up a NT, OLB, and ILB in the draft. The draft is reportedly rich in those positions of Ram need and there’s a lot to be said for bringing in young and inexpensive talent. Value meets need for the Rams again in the draft.

 

[Ram65]

They can't double both Donald and Suh. Of course the Rams should sign him. They can swing the money.


Saints not much cap room
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/

Titans have lots of room and they have been active
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/cap/

 

[Mackeyser]

Well, as I see it, the Rams have entered a 2-3 year SB window.

So, it’s time for more bold moves, not less.

I’m kinda skeptical that they can sign Suh, frankly, but if they can afford him, I say go for it.

Assuming that Wade is on board, of course.

OTOH, I would be fine with just picking up a NT, OLB, and ILB in the draft. The draft is reportedly rich in those positions of Ram need and there’s a lot to be said for bringing in young and inexpensive talent. Value meets need for the Rams again in the draft.

Rams can afford it if they put off the big cap hit until next year...

 

[Stl2La]

View: https://twitter.com/rich_hammond/status/975909086410625025?s=21

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Well, as I see it, the Rams have entered a 2-3 year SB window.

So, it’s time for more bold moves, not less.

I’m kinda skeptical that they can sign Suh, frankly, but if they can afford him, I say go for it.

Assuming that Wade is on board, of course.

OTOH, I would be fine with just picking up a NT, OLB, and ILB in the draft. The draft is reportedly rich in those positions of Ram need and there’s a lot to be said for bringing in young and inexpensive talent. Value meets need for the Rams again in the draft.

Agree

 

[LesBaker]

I get that, well aware of his on field activity. What I was asking was as far as a teammate goes, I don’t recall any complaints

I dunno, who knows.

But he's a shit sportsman.

All dirty players play with an edge. Not all players who play with an edge are dirty.

Yeah you are already wrong, don't obfuscate OK.

Dirty is different than edgy OK.

I already posted about the stomp. It was BS.

Which stomp?

He has done that a few times.

On many parts.

 

[jrry32]

Yeah you are already wrong, don't obfuscate OK.

Dirty is different than edgy OK.

Feel free to use whatever made-up definitions you'd like.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Just not getting what’s not to like here if Suh indeed joins

My God what an absolute terror the Rams would have in THE very most important aspect of dominant defense

 

[tempests]

Just not getting what’s not to like here if Suh indeed joins

I think our defensive line is pretty close to what it needs to be, and we can complete it for less $$. Rather extend Donald and set something aside for Brockers, his extension is on the horizon now as well.

On the other hand, I'm not happy with our linebacker corps at all. We need more talent, depth, leadership. Rams haven't shown any interest that I know of, but I'd prefer they go after Navarro Bowman.

 

[12intheBox]

There is a big difference between a dirty player and a dirty player that plays for your team.

 

[André]

Just not getting what’s not to like here if Suh indeed joins

My God what an absolute terror the Rams would have in THE very most important aspect of dominant defense

To me, it's all about the cost. I'd rather pay $8M for Hankins than $20M for Suh, but if the range tightens up, I'd love it.