Stafford???

[Mackeyser]

He is not two 1st round picks better than Goff. I know Goff has been terrible but it is not like Detroit has an experienced coaching staff.

The problem is that Goff wasn't just limiting the offense, but his lack of ability to adjust was making the Rams even more predictable than now.

Good grief are memories short around here...

Had Goff remained, teams would be lining up to tee off on him.

The ONLY thing Goff does better is the play action... damn, he was good at that...which is why when paired with Gurley he could be money, but without him, he's barely an average NFL QB who will likely be reverted to backup duty with some team after this season unless the Lions can't find a replacement that's an upgrade.

So in that respect, yes, Stafford was 2 first round picks and more better.

Also, don't discount how when things get down, Stafford has 12 years of experience in reacting one way and it takes time to trust in the system and just focus on executing. If anything, it seems that Stafford gets more impatient than McVay, if that's possible.

But we'll be fine presuming we use this time away effectively and the players truly don't let the past two games define us.

Also, during the GSOT, we were CONSTANTLY called a soft team and definitely lost some games because we got pushed around, but rose up when we needed to.

 

[Mackeyser]

It wasn't Stafford who dropped a easy pass that led to the niners second touchdown. It wasn't Stafford that dropped easy back to back 3rd down passes. It wasn't Stafford that dropped TD pass he placed perfectly over defender into Van's bread basket.

Skow also had a drop in the end zone.

Honestly, as bad as some parts of this game were, it's an entirely different game if the WRs don't drop so many critical passes. It's like they saved all of their drops for when it'd hurt the most and that's not typical of this room.

We missed Woods more than ANYONE surmised and I'm including McVay and the coaching staff in that.

 

[Mackeyser]

It was Stafford who was throwing behind and over the heads of WRs all night. It was Stafford who threw the ball out of the end zone on 4th down despite having Van Jefferson open. It was Stafford who threw the ball over Skowronek's head multiple times. It was Stafford who had multiple interceptions dropped because of poor decisions and inaccurate throws. The guy looked like a rookie tonight.

I really wonder if his back is a bigger deal than they're letting on.

Stafford's ball placement has been off and getting worse these last few games and it's the worst it's been this season by far.

Also, for a big armed guy, he's underthrown several long balls recently and I think that's also a part of the back. He got a helmet to the kidneys a few games ago and his placement's been off ever since.

I really wonder if that's it.

Also, I'd rather have THIS Stafford than the Wolford from this year, cuz Gawd Almighty has he looked terrible thus far...

 

[Mackeyser]

Maybe so, I don' t know. But either he doesn't see the problems with what he's doing, or he does but is just incapable of adjusting or figuring out something different.

I know the Rams have an assistant to make him stay on the sideline and reel him in when he starts to walk onto the field. He needs one to reel in his bad playcalling tendencies as well. And if that means turning over the play calling duties to someone else, then so be it.

I agree with that, but in all fairness, McVay couldn't execute the installed game plan he developed on Wednesday because Woods went down late Thursday and we added OBJ formally on Friday even though the agreement to sign OBJ happened before the injury.

I think people are finding out how important Woods is to this team and why he should return next year. Kupp is the man, but Woods is the heart and soul of this offense. That much was made abundantly clear last night.

Morris has no excuse, whatsoever, and I wish he were already fired. I'm tired of him trying to turn these 3-4 players into a 4-3 unit. We don't have the LBs for that and we're literally gonna be paying both Floyd and Miller next year, so WTF is he thinking going 2-3-1-5 against a team using 2-3 TEs and pound the rock in the A and B gaps???????????????????? 10 games out of 10 with his defensive game plan, we get our asses kicked... maybe do better offensively, but yeah, the bigger issue is the defensive scheme...by a LOT.

It was a perfect storm to have a really shitty game and Kyle made sure he didn't fuck up his end and didn't.

 

[TexasRam]

Goff is a much more accurate passer in the short to medium range than Stafford that much is clear. Even the Lions fans noticed the difference in ball placement when he arrived. Fans that watched Stafford for all those years.

One of you - I won’t name names -said who cares about the short to medium range when all QB’s can make those throws. Well now you know. 3rd and 6 often has a very very small window that the ball needs to be thrown in. A little off equals an interception or punt. Goff lead us to a Super Bowl with precision passing under pressure. Stafford faces 3 tough defenses and he is wildly inaccurate. Balls all over the place. We traded Goff and his fumbling issues for a guy who could have 10 interceptions in the last two games.

I love Stafford. The person is excellent. But he does not have the accuracy of a super bowl QB. I hope to God we see him on fire in the playoffs and our defense gets it together. Miracles do happen. But some of you now know why many of us hated the trade.

Different QB, worse result vs the Niners.

 

[Mackeyser]

Goff is a much more accurate passer in the short to medium range than Stafford that much is clear. Even the Lions fans noticed the difference in ball placement when he arrived. Fans that watched Stafford for all those years.

One of you - I won’t name names -said who cares about the short to medium range when all QB’s can make those throws. Well now you know. 3rd and 6 often has a very very small window that the ball needs to be thrown in. A little off equals an interception or punt. Goff lead us to a Super Bowl with precision passing under pressure. Stafford faces 3 tough defenses and he is wildly inaccurate. Balls all over the place. We traded Goff and his fumbling issues for a guy who could have 10 interceptions in the last two games.

I love Stafford. The person is excellent. But he does not have the accuracy of a super bowl QB. I hope to God we see him on fire in the playoffs and our defense gets it together. Miracles do happen. But some of you now know why many of us hated the trade.

Different QB, worse result vs the Niners.

Earlier in the season, it was pretty close.

Over the last few games, it looks like he's fighting a back issue because in the last two games, he's UNDERthrown several deep balls which is very uncharacteristic.

The weird thing for Stafford is that the INTs which are solely on him have been dropped for the most part and all the wonky shit has been scooped up. It averages out, but the timing couldn't have been worse.

 

[badnews]

I thought everyone watched that game?
How anyone thinks Stafford didn't suck hard enough to remove the chrome from a trailer hitch is beyond me.

The only thing I can say to his credit is that so did McVay, Morris, Higbee, Hekker and everyone else really.

 

[TexasRam]

I thought everyone watched that game?
How anyone thinks Stafford didn't suck hard enough to remove the chrome from a trailer hitch is beyond me.

The only thing I can say to his credit is that so did McVay, Morris, Higbee, Hekker and everyone else really.

No doubt Stafford sucked. When we needed big plays his inaccuracy and hesitancy in the pocket showed up yet again.

People make so much about calls at the line as if they impact the game so much more than accuracy. No they don't. Accuracy is King. Audible all you want, if you throw the ball way over WR's heads and behind them regularly in key moments then audibles don't mean a dam thing. Hell, many teams script plays and don't give a shit what the defense does because the QB is accurate.

But yea, Stafford was not the only one that sucked. Mcvay, Morris, Higbee, and others sucked it up to.

It makes the exact point MANY of us made in the offseason. QB scapegoating is what MCvay was doing. It bought him some time but now the real culprit is revealed. It aint Goff that lost. Can't use that excuse anymore. In fact the offense regressed. 10 points. Last year we scored 20 pts and 16 points vs the Niners.

This offense is averaging 15 points a game vs Cards, Tenn, Niners. Basically the 3 teams we played that didn't have bottom barrel secondary's.

 

[badnews]

No doubt Stafford sucked. When we needed big plays his inaccuracy and hesitancy in the pocket showed up yet again.

People make so much about calls at the line as if they impact the game so much more than accuracy. No they don't. Accuracy is King. Audible all you want, if you throw the ball way over WR's heads and behind them regularly in key moments then audibles don't mean a dam thing. Hell, many teams script plays and don't give a shit what the defense does because the QB is accurate.

But yea, Stafford was not the only one that sucked. Mcvay, Morris, Higbee, and others sucked it up to.

It makes the exact point MANY of us made in the offseason. QB scapegoating is what MCvay was doing. It bought him some time but now the real culprit is revealed. It aint Goff that lost. Can't use that excuse anymore. In fact the offense regressed. 10 points. Last year we scored 20 pts and 16 points vs the Niners.

Agreed on all counts..

I'm afraid Woods was the only guy on this offense with the mentality to not get pushed around. His toughness on the field was missed.

 

[kurtfaulk]

He did make a lot of high throws tonight but stats are also facts of what happened you can argue against them all you want but they are still facts

half of those completions came in garbage time. try to give the stats when they actually mattered.

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[Mackeyser]

At no point in the previous four losses did McVay have to basically abandon a game plan and install from Wednesday for a KEY contributor and the heart and soul of this offense to go down and then have to cobble together a game plan with a rookie taking Woods' spot and OBJ getting some packages, but when we really needed our passing game, we only had 1.5 receivers Stafford could trust and that didn't mean shit because we dropped I think every crucial ball in this game... like all 5 drops were either TDs or 3rd down conversions.

Stafford's accuracy is way off and I think it's his back which will have two weeks to get right. We'll see how he's attacking his back treatment come the GB game.

We certainly didn't play well... we played pretty bad.

But game plan installs are CRUCIAL and we basically went into this game with a rookie handling a veteran's multifaceted game in which the guy he's replacing is one of the best in the league in that role and then add a guy we just got 3 days before ago AFTER the install.

So in the game where we really needed our passing game, our QB is nursing an injury which negatively affects his accuracy, receivers that got bit by the dropsquito, missing maybe our toughest and maybe most clutch receiver and a really good/excellent receiver who's too new to be in the playbook.

It was the perfect storm for us to get dog walked and that's what happened.

The only for sure thing is that Morris' scheme is dog shit and will always be a great liability UNLESS we're playing with a lead. When playing against a team willing to power run it 40+ times? Guaranteed fail.

Structurally and schematically, the offense will be fine with ups and downs, but I suspect we'll see more commitment to the run going forward, especially against GB.

The defense, otoh, is losing the players. I don't think only Ramsey has issues with how Morris is running this D.

The idea that all of this nets out to "QB Scapegoating" is silly.

There are structural issues at play. The offense will be fine, although it will be a few games before we see it really start to take off with the new personnel groupings.

It's the D that will determine our success for the rest of the season and it has MASSIVE structural and schematic issues. If we can get the lead, we can continue to mask the structural issues, but if we fall behind, especially to a team that can play trench warfare, there's almost nothing structurally we can do.

It's that bad. I know many don't know me when I make these calls, but if you know you know.

I'm sure I'm one a fair number of ignores because I write long posts and because I can say some unpopular things. But I'm not wrong.

We can still win up to and including winning it all, but a whole lot more stars have to align with our current situation than would have prior to Woods going down. That's a devastating blow...just devastating.

 

[oldnotdead]

We were better with Wade Phillips than scared Morris.

Hire John Pagano who is the OLB coach for the Broncos. He was an outstanding DC and most of all he was outstanding making half time adjustments. He took a bunch of no named players and had them playing lights out. Teams normally won't stand in the way of a career upgrade offer. Throw in one of the comp picks (Rams could get 3-4 comp picks next year). The Broncos love Snead LOL. They need the picks to rebuild their team next year.

Pagano runs a very aggressive style of defense. He coaches on INTs and fumbles. Miller knows just how good John Pagano is. Screw Morris and his pansy shit scheme.

 

[Ramlife]

We were better with Wade Phillips than scared Morris.

Hire John Pagano who is the OLB coach for the Broncos. He was an outstanding DC and most of all he was outstanding making half time adjustments. He took a bunch of no named players and had them playing lights out. Teams normally won't stand in the way of a career upgrade offer. Throw in one of the comp picks (Rams could get 3-4 comp picks next year). The Broncos love Snead LOL. They need the picks to rebuild their team next year.

Pagano runs a very aggressive style of defense. He coaches on INTs and fumbles. Miller knows just how good John Pagano is. Screw Morris and his pansy shit scheme.

I hope they listen to you.. this defense has too many good players to be playing this shitty. I dont see how coach lets this go. Its horrible.. a slow agonizing death so to speak.

 

[I like Rams]

Anyone else still waiting for this supposed "playbook" that was going to be open now that we got Stafford? Bc the only one we've opened was from 2019.

 

[LouisvilleRam]

No doubt Stafford sucked. When we needed big plays his inaccuracy and hesitancy in the pocket showed up yet again.

People make so much about calls at the line as if they impact the game so much more than accuracy. No they don't. Accuracy is King. Audible all you want, if you throw the ball way over WR's heads and behind them regularly in key moments then audibles don't mean a dam thing. Hell, many teams script plays and don't give a shit what the defense does because the QB is accurate.

But yea, Stafford was not the only one that sucked. Mcvay, Morris, Higbee, and others sucked it up to.

It makes the exact point MANY of us made in the offseason. QB scapegoating is what MCvay was doing. It bought him some time but now the real culprit is revealed. It aint Goff that lost. Can't use that excuse anymore. In fact the offense regressed. 10 points. Last year we scored 20 pts and 16 points vs the Niners.

This offense is averaging 15 points a game vs Cards, Tenn, Niners. Basically the 3 teams we played that didn't have bottom barrel secondary's.

Titans give up 268 passing yards a game(27th) they are a bottom barrel secondary, Bears are 10th

 

[Memphis Ram]

McVay needs to establish the run early and often to open up play action moving forward. Offense is to predictable IMO

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[PhillyRam]

Tampa was 7-5 last year and looked really mediocre. Brady and Arians got together after their bye and worked out their issues.

I live here and it wasn't all "we're gonna win the Super Bowl" When they were 7-5, it was like "well, we suck a little less with Brady...so?"

They also added a late piece in AB and Gronk got healthy.

We're only adding OBJ on the offense and we lost Woods, but we're adding Von Miller who will do well for us. We may also get Cam Akers back, which would be a MASSIVE boost presuming he's healed up and healthy. I still would prefer he wait to play until next season, but if he's good to go, he would be a pretty solid upgrade over Hendo who's not the best runner in a slobberknocker game.

The problem is only partly Stafford who I think is playing with a bigger back issue than he's letting on and it's affecting his location... a lot. I really hope he gets healed up over the next two weeks. The bigger problem is we're running a 3-4, but won't even put the 3 DL on the field. We're running a crazy hybrid that relies on 2 interior DL and 1 ILB to stop the interior run game. That's impossible and thus far, we've not done well at it, but when playing with a lead, it matters less.

I reject the "we'll never win with McVay" nonsense, but I can see after some bad losses why some folks feel that way. It's nonsense, but I've yet to see a game where the GDT doesn't have people jumping off of buildings halfway through a bad game, so... I dunno.

Maybe we're so conditioned to sucking that when we don't we still deep down don't trust the success and every failure is seen as "the sky is falling...see, told ya".

We'll see. Unfortunately, we have to wait two weeks and then have to play one of the hottest teams in the NFL in their crib in the snow and cold. It's a HUGE ask.

This team can most certainly do it, but we're gonna need this team to come together in a big way.

I can't recall a QB that is so immune to criticism than Stafford... especially for a guy that never won a thing.

It's quite amazing.

 

[Giles]

I can't recall a QB that is so immune to criticism than Stafford... especially for a guy that never won a thing.

It's quite amazing.

^^^^^^This. 12 years and counting of excuses for a guy who has accomplished Jack.

 

[PhillyRam]

Most successful Super Bowl winning team have a synthesis of complimenting a QBs instincts/skills with safeguards. Last year the Bucs ran the ball just as well as they threw. The Eagles also went into the SB aggressively running the ball, and using their TEs for checkdowns. The Patriots never really asked Tom to light up defenses with crazy numbers, as once again, they could check down and beat defenses with death by a thousand cuts.

Its been said on here before, but the problem is McVay has handed the reigns completely to Stafford. Opting to give him less structure and scripted play calls. That has to to stop TODAY.

I love Staffords time in LA so far but he IS NOT THAT GUY. Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning are the only QBs in modern NFL history who can be trusted to 100% run the offense and even Rodgers has shown a tendency to be risk averse when left to his own devices. Mahomes might be the most gifted QB in NFL history and even he cant be trusted to singlehandedly orchestrate. He has to be reigned in. Even Tom, for all his success, never had the physical gifts to 100% call a game. His success in NE was due to his quick release and the Pats scripted around that.

Mcvay has to STOP with this one man offense philosophy with stafford. Run the ball, hit the checkdown and live to fight another day.

In other words he needs to help him almost as much as he did Goff... Manage the games, but do so with a QB with a higher skill set. Exactly.

 

[Ballhawk]

Stafford is off and he knows it. That is why he no longer tries the difficult throws that he did earlier in the season.
The defense is just a lost cause, our best players have been negated by the scheme we run.