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As good as any place to drop this here:

Stafford was awful the past two games. But thank God we made that trade. The Lions don't have a lot around Goff, but two things can be true and it's true that he has little around him AND he's no longer a starting caliber QB.
 

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As good as any place to drop this here:

Stafford was awful the past two games. But thank God we made that trade. The Lions don't have a lot around Goff, but two things can be true and it's true that he has little around him AND he's no longer a starting caliber QB.
The scary thing is McVay could manage games with Goff and have similar success as he is having with a more talented and experienced QB.

I will add that from a clean pocket, Goff is more accurate than Stafford and more consistent. Sure, he needs more help and can't make some throws that Stafford can make, but the problem is that McVay is putting more on Stafford and his inconsistency is causing slow starts and up and down play overall, especially against good defenses.
 

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It's John Hadl all over again. 48 years on and we have another QB start off the season on fire only to have a back injury derail our entire season.
:laugh1: Wow. I wonder how many people remember that name. Old times. Nice. Didn’t know about his back though.
 

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I won't defend Stafford's play tonight at all - it was bad. Really bad.

But just like in some of the same types of losses last year, he got absolutely no help whatsoever from the guy calling the plays, the guy who has no patience to establish the run nor has the willingness to stick with it when we get behind and who too often calls the wrong type of pass play at the wrong time.

QBs will have bad games. One of the things the truly great (as opposed to the merely good) play callers do is minimize the effect when the QB is having an off day and figure out way to work around it and help him get his bearings. McVay doesn't do that, and if he doesn't get that, he's going to waste the Stafford trade for which he lobbied so hard.
 

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I won't defend Stafford's play tonight at all - it was bad. Really bad.

But just like in some of the same types of losses last year, he got absolutely no help whatsoever from the guy calling the plays, the guy who has no patience to establish the run nor has the willingness to stick with it when we get behind and who too often calls the wrong type of pass play at the wrong time.

QBs will have bad games. One of the things the truly great (as opposed to the merely good) play callers do is minimize the effect when the QB is having an off day and figure out way to work around it and help him get his bearings. McVay doesn't do that, and if he doesn't get that, he's going to waste the Stafford trade for which he lobbied so hard.
I really think it’s time for McVay to hand over the offense to someone else. And all of it - planning, play calling, self-scouting and working with the QB to make sure it fits the personnel. There’s so much going on with the team during practice and even more so during the flow of a game. He needs to be sure he has the right people in place running his offense, defense and STs so he can focus on the needs of his staff and players and not just the offense. Not saying he doesn’t have input in all of it, but I think he’s definitely committing way too much time playing offensive coordinator - and even at that he’s left so much to be desired as a play caller. He seems to be a bit oblivious to some glaring issues in the defensive and special teams side of the ball.
 

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I really think it’s time for McVay to hand over the offense over to someone else. And all of it - planning, play calling, self-scouting and working with the QB to make sure it fits the personnel. There’s so much going on with the team during practice and even more so during the flow of a game. He needs to be sure he has the right people in place running his offense, defense and STs so he can focus on the needs of his staff and players and not just the offense. Not saying he doesn’t have input in all of it, but I think he’s definitely committing way too much time playing offensive coordinator. He seems to be a bit oblivious to some glaring issues in the defensive and special teams side of the ball.

Maybe so, I don' t know. But either he doesn't see the problems with what he's doing, or he does but is just incapable of adjusting or figuring out something different.

I know the Rams have an assistant to make him stay on the sideline and reel him in when he starts to walk onto the field. He needs one to reel in his bad playcalling tendencies as well. And if that means turning over the play calling duties to someone else, then so be it.
 

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As good as any place to drop this here:

Stafford was awful the past two games. But thank God we made that trade. The Lions don't have a lot around Goff, but two things can be true and it's true that he has little around him AND he's no longer a starting caliber QB.
Not a single qb in the NFL rn that would succeed in Detroit this season. Not a single one.
 

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I really think it’s time for McVay to hand over the offense to someone else. And all of it - planning, play calling, self-scouting and working with the QB to make sure it fits the personnel. There’s so much going on with the team during practice and even more so during the flow of a game. He needs to be sure he has the right people in place running his offense, defense and STs so he can focus on the needs of his staff and players and not just the offense. Not saying he doesn’t have input in all of it, but I think he’s definitely committing way too much time playing offensive coordinator - and even at that he’s left so much to be desired as a play caller. He seems to be a bit oblivious to some glaring issues in the defensive and special teams side of the ball.
O’Connell can call plays.
 

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I really think it’s time for McVay to hand over the offense to someone else. And all of it - planning, play calling, self-scouting and working with the QB to make sure it fits the personnel. There’s so much going on with the team during practice and even more so during the flow of a game. He needs to be sure he has the right people in place running his offense, defense and STs so he can focus on the needs of his staff and players and not just the offense. Not saying he doesn’t have input in all of it, but I think he’s definitely committing way too much time playing offensive coordinator - and even at that he’s left so much to be desired as a play caller. He seems to be a bit oblivious to some glaring issues in the defensive and special teams side of the ball.

I'm not ready to go that far. However....

McVays offenses tend to play worse as the seasons progress. It's becoming a recurring trend, unfortunately. We've also seen him get completely outmatched. Goff got much of the blame in the past but I think a game like tonight shows McVay just has these type of games every so often. As unpopular of a opinion it usually is. But I do think we miss a guy like Lafluer and even Olson. The offense did seem to have better balance and consistentcy when they were here. But overall McVay is still a good offensive coach but I can't honestly say he is great OC. He is a really good to great coach.

Will add Stafford was pretty bad tonight and the receivers were just off.
 

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Its the coach. Hate to say it but he's not progressing. His team is not responding. He might be mcdone.
Oh, he wont go anywhere, just don't expect to beat the 9ers any time soon.
 

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Obviously nothing is all on Stafford and a few weeks ago we called him the savior but I'm concerned that so far, other than the Lions game, double digits points down is a death sentence.

It's also on the defense when they can't get off the field. The whiners first drive was 18 plays and took like 12 minutes off the clock.
Their longest play from scrimmage on that drive was like 7 yards. Frustrating as hell.
 

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Maybe so, I don' t know. But either he doesn't see the problems with what he's doing, or he does but is just incapable of adjusting or figuring out something different.

I know the Rams have an assistant to make him stay on the sideline and reel him in when he starts to walk onto the field. He needs one to reel in his bad playcalling tendencies as well. And if that means turning over the play calling duties to someone else, then so be it.
Need a guy to whack him in the head with a clip board during games like this.
 

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Not Stafford's fault but it is the nature of the offense. Trick/gadget plays always seem to have more turnovers. Who runs a screen to the TE? Nobody except us. That stuff belongs at the college level.

Pissed me off at first with the Whitworth personal foul. F’D up.

Later in the game same thing & no penalty on Miners OLineman.plus they threw Henderson down way after the play.
The was a Face Mask to AD99 on a big pass play.
A guy just dropped on Sony after the play. He was stepping over him.
The RAMsey face mask was BS.He didn’t grasp it.Weak call.
I could go on.

The play call on the Pick 6 was crap.Higbee had a very bad game,but scored the only TD.
Each week missed a pass,except Ben Sko who was open a few times.He looked good.
 

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As good as any place to drop this here:

Stafford was awful the past two games. But thank God we made that trade. The Lions don't have a lot around Goff, but two things can be true and it's true that he has little around him AND he's no longer a starting caliber QB.
you cant post this now bro.. us losing against the 49ners is suddenly going to justify some false memory of goff.. eventhough he is clearly spiraling down the toilet.
 

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you cant post this now bro.. us losing against the 49ners is suddenly going to justify some false memory of goff.. eventhough he is clearly spiraling down the toilet.
Goff's downfall is more about Detroit than about Goff. IMO.

My concern about Stafford isn't his talent and arm. But does he have that intangible where he hates losing and if you give him a crease, he will make you pay, like Brady. I don't think I've seen that yet, although we're only about half way through the season.
 

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Goff's downfall is more about Detroit than about Goff. IMO.

My concern about Stafford isn't his talent and arm. But does he have that intangible where he hates losing and if you give him a crease, he will make you pay, like Brady. I don't think I've seen that yet, although we're only about half way through the season.
brady looked like shit sunday himself
 

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brady looked like shit sunday himself
But Brady is known for being clutch, carrying his team. Stafford is good, better than Goff, but Sean didnt get him for the rgular season, he got him to get this team to the SB, falling short, means a failure, plain and simple.
 

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He escapes and throws a 5 yard loss to Henderson thow it in the ground.

The overthrows, the throw behind the receivers, the deep shot to OBJ where he can clearly see 2 DBs back there.

We are down by 17 and he is throwing 2 yard outs. Really bad decision making.

Last week against Tennessee, the throw out of the end zone was another bad mental decision. Just throw it at the ground not in the air. The Woods throw was nowhere open how do you not see that. He was covered it wasn't even a good play on the ball by the DB it was another bad mental decision.

I am seriously worried that he doesn't have the mental makeup to lead us to the SB. I am really serious. The goal is to make the fewest mistakes he seems to panic a little. It's not McVay McVay didn't overthrow Skoronick in the end zone who was open, he overthrew Skoronick over the middle and it was almost picked. I could go on and on.

If he was so good and such a savior he would have lead Detroit to more playoff appearances. Rivers did, Brees did etc. These are QBs with huge resumes like Stafford but they are more poised and don't make these type of mistakes.

I made the same statement when he was acquired. I was open minded and hopeful, but after the last two games he really is long term scaring me. Hope I am wrong he is too streaky and not a winner imo. I don't care how many come from behind wins he has he has no playoff wins.

I believe it is a panic mentality. Not a winner mentality.

What I don't want is the defenders to blindly defend him. We beat really bad teams every team we beat minus TB none are making the playoffs most likely. AZ, Tenn and SF destroyed us doesn't this honestly worry you? Try to take this take seriously and think about this take. I am not sure I'm right, but I am throwing this out there

Tampa was 7-5 last year and looked really mediocre. Brady and Arians got together after their bye and worked out their issues.

I live here and it wasn't all "we're gonna win the Super Bowl" When they were 7-5, it was like "well, we suck a little less with Brady...so?"

They also added a late piece in AB and Gronk got healthy.

We're only adding OBJ on the offense and we lost Woods, but we're adding Von Miller who will do well for us. We may also get Cam Akers back, which would be a MASSIVE boost presuming he's healed up and healthy. I still would prefer he wait to play until next season, but if he's good to go, he would be a pretty solid upgrade over Hendo who's not the best runner in a slobberknocker game.

The problem is only partly Stafford who I think is playing with a bigger back issue than he's letting on and it's affecting his location... a lot. I really hope he gets healed up over the next two weeks. The bigger problem is we're running a 3-4, but won't even put the 3 DL on the field. We're running a crazy hybrid that relies on 2 interior DL and 1 ILB to stop the interior run game. That's impossible and thus far, we've not done well at it, but when playing with a lead, it matters less.

I reject the "we'll never win with McVay" nonsense, but I can see after some bad losses why some folks feel that way. It's nonsense, but I've yet to see a game where the GDT doesn't have people jumping off of buildings halfway through a bad game, so... I dunno.

Maybe we're so conditioned to sucking that when we don't we still deep down don't trust the success and every failure is seen as "the sky is falling...see, told ya".

We'll see. Unfortunately, we have to wait two weeks and then have to play one of the hottest teams in the NFL in their crib in the snow and cold. It's a HUGE ask.

This team can most certainly do it, but we're gonna need this team to come together in a big way.
 
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