Stafford Talk

[Ellard80]

League takes 66% of offensive snaps from shotgun
EDIT
Wasnt the article I read, but a Quick google search took me to this:

NFL Teams Moving Out From Under Center, Riding Shotgun

As NFL offenses continue to evolve, teams are riding the shotgun formation, and in big numbers. Rarely anymore do QBs line up under center.

www.the33rdteam.com

Yeah that's what I thought you might have meant.

When I watch games, it does seem like the QB in most of the games are in shotgun or pistol.

From what I can find data wise - the Rams are in the middle of the pack with shotgun use.

 

[VegasRam]

Praising Goff is all well and good, and he's deserving.
Ragging on Stafford's record with no reference to what he had (has) around him for support, is ludicrous - aka not really worth reading.

And speaking of support, Goff has been lucky enough to have been traded to a team with a fucking BUTTLOAD of high draft picks,
and a great GM, so yeah his star is rising as Stafford's is falling, but it is not due to their respective individual talent, or lack thereof.

 

[Riverumbbq]

ESPN writer predicts Matthew Stafford will retire after 2023 season

Seth Wickersham of ESPN believes this season will be Matthew Stafford's last in the NFL

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Ram Ts]

No way Stafford retires. Zero chance imo.

But for the sake of argument, if he did, would that change his dead cap hit at all or is it the same either (cut/retired) way?

 

[Allen2McVay]

ESPN writer predicts Matthew Stafford will retire after 2023 season

Seth Wickersham of ESPN believes this season will be Matthew Stafford's last in the NFL

sports.yahoo.com

I saw that too. Wickersham is a legit reporter/writer; and, to his credit, he opened his opinion with ...
'To be clear, I have No inside information.'

However, this is still the kind of Throw-It-Against-the-Wall Speculation that ... should it happen, Wickersham and ESPN will take every opportunity to mention it ... but if it does not happen, it will never be mentioned by anyone, anywhere because no one will remember.

My favorite piece of information if you read-up on Seth Wickersham is the following:
He is credited as playing himself in the 2014 movie Draft Day, though the scene was cut before it was shot.

 

[Ellard80]

ESPN writer predicts Matthew Stafford will retire after 2023 season

Seth Wickersham of ESPN believes this season will be Matthew Stafford's last in the NFL

sports.yahoo.com

No way - for one if you listen to him talk the last couple years he sounds like he wants to play multiple more years.

Also, the amount of money he would throw away is insane - aint happening.

 

[dieterbrock]

No way Stafford retires. Zero chance imo.

But for the sake of argument, if he did, would that change his dead cap hit at all or is it the same either (cut/retired) way?

I'm fairly certain that if he retired the Rams wouldnt get hit with the dead cap for future guaranteed monies like he would if he were cut. However they would get hit with the dead cap for any monies he had already received, ex signing bonus, unless he paid it back.
So they would be looking at 36 mill in signing bonus towards dead cap + any other creative finances

EDIT- In looking at spotrac, after 2023 there is 36 mill of signing bonus + 19.5 mill of option bonus that would be dead cap. 55.5 mill.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

ESPN writer predicts Matthew Stafford will retire after 2023 season

Seth Wickersham of ESPN believes this season will be Matthew Stafford's last in the NFL

sports.yahoo.com

Completely different take from Staff himself today.

Matthew Stafford: I enjoy playing too much to hang it up

As the 2022 season wound down, there were questions about whether Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford would retire until he shot them down in December.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[oldnotdead]

Praising Goff is all well and good, and he's deserving.
Ragging on Stafford's record with no reference to what he had (has) around him for support, is ludicrous - aka not really worth reading.

LOL people ragged on Goff saying he wasn't a good QB, while elevating Stafford to mythical status. With a team around him Goff got the Rams to a Super Bowl. Poor coaching by McVay lost that game, by McVay's own admission. It was the same way with the next Super Bowl that the Rams won. Poor coaching decisions by the Bengals cost them the game.

Even now I keep pointing out that Matt is a turnover machine far worse than Goff ever was and there are only crickets from the fans and McVay. With fewer INTs resulting from McVay intentionally gutting the OL in 2019, McVay grumbled that Goff had to play better. But only crickets now from McVay.

I would be shocked if Stafford can finish next season without missing games. Next year if they get their targeted rookie, if Stafford misses time with an injury I would think he would be done for the year other than backup with retirement at the end of the season. That is why IMO they signed Wentz. They want to get a long look at him in practices. If he looks like they think he should, they will try to extend him at least a year. He would be their fall back plan if they miss on their targeted QB and have to take a more developmental player. The Rams might be looking at him as a possible replacement for Stafford going forward after 2024 if they miss on their targeted QB.

 

[FarNorth]

Praising Goff is all well and good, and he's deserving.
Ragging on Stafford's record with no reference to what he had (has) around him for support, is ludicrous - aka not really worth reading.

And speaking of support, Goff has been lucky enough to have been traded to a team with a fucking BUTTLOAD of high draft picks,
and a great GM, so yeah his star is rising as Stafford's is falling, but it is not due to their respective individual talent, or lack thereof.

Some of us would just like to see the same standard applied to both of them.

Imo Stafford and Goff both played at a very high level and with great success for the Rams when the team as a whole was good enough to give them the opportunity to do so. There are plenty of QBs who could not have done what either of them did in the same circumstances.

When the o-line and roster talent and sometimes coaching declined... and/or injuries or Super Bowl hangovers or salary cap hell hit... the results weren't and aren't as good.

 

[Ramstien]

The difference between Stafford and Goff this year comes down to the OL and play calling. If Safford was playing for the Lions right now, he would be at the very least as successful as Goff has been. In comparison if Goff was with the Rams right now, I doubt that they have 3 wins.

 

[WestCoastRam]

View: https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1723089289288823008/video/2

1st round tight end!! Let's f*cking GO!

 

[Allen2McVay]

Completely different take from Staff himself today.

Matthew Stafford: I enjoy playing too much to hang it up

As the 2022 season wound down, there were questions about whether Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford would retire until he shot them down in December.

sports.yahoo.com

Who are you going to believe?!?!

 

[HitStick]

Praising Goff is all well and good, and he's deserving.
Ragging on Stafford's record with no reference to what he had (has) around him for support, is ludicrous - aka not really worth reading.

And speaking of support, Goff has been lucky enough to have been traded to a team with a fucking BUTTLOAD of high draft picks,
and a great GM, so yeah his star is rising as Stafford's is falling, but it is not due to their respective individual talent, or lack thereof.

Let’s actually look at that. What did Stafford have in 21 that was light years better?

Kupp? Still here.
Jefferson? He was here. Atwell is better.
OBJ/Woods? Puka is statistically better. I’ll give this a wash.
Running game? Is it actually THAT different? We have an injured starter and replaced him with Hendo. It’s actually the same.

Oline? You got me beat there. We do have solid interior play (with one Guard playing at an All-Pro level). The center is a bit of a downgrade, but I wouldn’t say it’s so much of a downgrade that it turns out line to shit. and the same guy at RT. The LT is a huge downgrade, but most would be. Big Whit is a HOF LT.

I’m not saying the 21 team wasn’t better because that would be wrong. But I’m not saying he’s been downgraded to a JV roster. I’m not sure if it’s the playcalling or what, but Stafford is holding onto the ball too long and not playing with any rhythm like he did the first few weeks. He’s playing like shit. Period.

 

[Ramstien]

If Stafford was not beat up the Rams would have beat Geen Bay. If Stafford is playing like shit, as you put it, it is because of the play calling and poor offensive line play, not because of his ability or the Rams receivers.

 

[Loyal]

Looks like

View: https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1723089289288823008/video/2

1st round tight end!! Let's f*cking GO!

we're going LT in the first round! *flexes ~ @Merlin

 

[snackdaddy]

If we get the Seattle, SF, first half Colts Stafford the rest of the year we have a shot at winning enough games to be a playoff team. But if we get the Pittsburgh, Philly and Dallas Stafford we'll be lucky to win 3 more games.

I'm sure we will see the good Stafford at times. But we're probably likely to get the bad Stafford at times. We have zero room for error. Odds of making the playoffs are pretty slim. And because we will get the good Stafford a few times our draft position may not be top ten. Then again, our defense has a shot at getting us a top 5 pick.

 

[dang]

Let’s actually look at that. What did Stafford have in 21 that was light years better?

Kupp? Still here.
Jefferson? He was here. Atwell is better.
OBJ/Woods? Puka is statistically better. I’ll give this a wash.
Running game? Is it actually THAT different? We have an injured starter and replaced him with Hendo. It’s actually the same.

Oline? You got me beat there. We do have solid interior play (with one Guard playing at an All-Pro level). The center is a bit of a downgrade, but I wouldn’t say it’s so much of a downgrade that it turns out line to shit. and the same guy at RT. The LT is a huge downgrade, but most would be. Big Whit is a HOF LT.

I’m not saying the 21 team wasn’t better because that would be wrong. But I’m not saying he’s been downgraded to a JV roster. I’m not sure if it’s the playcalling or what, but Stafford is holding onto the ball too long and not playing with any rhythm like he did the first few weeks. He’s playing like shit. Period.

Kupp looks like he’s still shaking off some rust. Williams was hitting his stride but got hurt crimping our run game. LT is significantly worse and OC is at lower level. TE contributions have all but disappeared. Other than that we’re in lock step with the ‘21 offense.

 

[oldnotdead]

Something doesn't fit. Stafford and McVay have said Matt has a torn thumb UCL. Normally that doesn't completely heal by itself without surgery. Without surgery, even a minor tear takes about 4 weeks minimum to heal as much as it's going to, enough to allow the thumb to function. But it will still be subject to reinjury. So now they are claiming he will play in 2 weeks? They better get Wentz up to speed in these two weeks giving him first team reps because it seems to me he's going to simply aggravate the injury. Cedar Sinai a few years ago came up with an outpatient surgery procedure that installs an internal brace cutting the healing time to 6 weeks from 12 weeks without a brace. I might accept this if it was a UCL sprain but they said the diagnosis was a tear. So it doesn't make sense.

I think the signing of Carson suddenly has made Matt's thumb feel better. All we can do is see how well he can throw and hopefully, he won't fumble the ball. If Stafford's UCL completely tears he's gone for the season because they are looking at a 12 week recovery time frame. It would seem to me that giving him 4 weeks to heal (missing two games) makes more sense than risking losing him for the season after one or two games.

In this light signing Wentz makes even more sense.

 

[Ellard80]

LOL people ragged on Goff saying he wasn't a good QB, while elevating Stafford to mythical status. With a team around him Goff got the Rams to a Super Bowl. Poor coaching by McVay lost that game, by McVay's own admission. It was the same way with the next Super Bowl that the Rams won. Poor coaching decisions by the Bengals cost them the game.

Even now I keep pointing out that Matt is a turnover machine far worse than Goff ever was and there are only crickets from the fans and McVay. With fewer INTs resulting from McVay intentionally gutting the OL in 2019, McVay grumbled that Goff had to play better. But only crickets now from McVay.

I would be shocked if Stafford can finish next season without missing games. Next year if they get their targeted rookie, if Stafford misses time with an injury I would think he would be done for the year other than backup with retirement at the end of the season. That is why IMO they signed Wentz. They want to get a long look at him in practices. If he looks like they think he should, they will try to extend him at least a year. He would be their fall back plan if they miss on their targeted QB and have to take a more developmental player. The Rams might be looking at him as a possible replacement for Stafford going forward after 2024 if they miss on their targeted QB.

You post some intelligent stuff then occasionally you don't do your homework and its disappointing.

Goff Led the NFL in fumbles in 2018 -

In his time with the Rams, he averaged 1.4 fumbles plus Ints per game.

Stafford in his time with the Rams averages 1.3 fumbles plus ints per game.

So - ill agree that stafford turns it over too much for my liking.

But "Matt is a turnover Machine worse than Goff ever was" is factually false.