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TXRams86 said:
He had something to prove after losing that first Super Bowl and Goff was easy to blame. I'll go on record saying I think Stafford is a better QB than Goff and a big reason we won the Super Bowl. But I also believe McVay shit the bed in the first Super Bowl and got completely outcoached by BB. Goff was working with what he had and showed who he always was.
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Agreed. The offense as a whole was not ready. I think Goff is more than capable of winning a Super Bowl.
 
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Technically I was wrong

During Goffs tenure Mannion started vs SF and lost while Wolfy started vs AZ and won so w/o JG McVay is I believe at 21-23
 
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Goff is proving what I have always contended. Had McVay designed his scheme around Goff's skillset he would be the QB he is today but in LA. Instead he wanted "his" QB so he sabotaged Jared by keeping him in the huddle until the final 15 seconds. People believed that was because Jared couldn't read defenses. Well he reads them damn good now....funny how that is. I think the Rams would have won the Super Bowl in the 2021 season with Goff.

The dark side of McVay is he intentionally stunted Goff's development to manipulate a trade. From 2019 on it was in the works. Why else would a HC dismantle one of the best OLs in the NFL and force his QB to play behind scrubs? He needed to justify the trade. But Goff almost wrecked his plans when he finished with a winning record and the playoffs being missed was on Zuerline.

In 2020 McVay shuffled the OL again. But the Rams finished 10-6. If anyone believes the BS that it was a coincidence that Stafford and McVay just happen to be vacationing on the same weekend in the same resort after Snead officially shut the negotiations down for the weekend to back SF off, there is a bridge in SF for sale.

McVay never wanted Goff. I love Stafford and love how it worked out. But I doubt Stafford can finish next season without injury. It's really time to look for that next QB.
 
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oldnotdead said:
Goff is proving what I have always contended. Had McVay designed his scheme around Goff's skillset he would be the QB he is today but in LA. Instead he wanted "his" QB so he sabotaged Jared by keeping him in the huddle until the final 15 seconds. People believed that was because Jared couldn't read defenses. Well he reads them damn good now....funny how that is. I think the Rams would have won the Super Bowl in the 2021 season with Goff.

The dark side of McVay is he intentionally stunted Goff's development to manipulate a trade. From 2019 on it was in the works. Why else would a HC dismantle one of the best OLs in the NFL and force his QB to play behind scrubs? He needed to justify the trade. But Goff almost wrecked his plans when he finished with a winning record and the playoffs being missed was on Zuerline.

In 2020 McVay shuffled the OL again. But the Rams finished 10-6. If anyone believes the BS that it was a coincidence that Stafford and McVay just happen to be vacationing on the same weekend in the same resort after Snead officially shut the negotiations down for the weekend to back SF off, there is a bridge in SF for sale.

McVay never wanted Goff. I love Stafford and love how it worked out. But I doubt Stafford can finish next season without injury. It's really time to look for that next QB.
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"intentionally stunted"

Man, get the fuck outta here.
 
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oldnotdead said:
Goff is proving what I have always contended. Had McVay designed his scheme around Goff's skillset he would be the QB he is today but in LA. Instead he wanted "his" QB so he sabotaged Jared by keeping him in the huddle until the final 15 seconds. People believed that was because Jared couldn't read defenses. Well he reads them damn good now....funny how that is. I think the Rams would have won the Super Bowl in the 2021 season with Goff.

The dark side of McVay is he intentionally stunted Goff's development to manipulate a trade. From 2019 on it was in the works. Why else would a HC dismantle one of the best OLs in the NFL and force his QB to play behind scrubs? He needed to justify the trade. But Goff almost wrecked his plans when he finished with a winning record and the playoffs being missed was on Zuerline.

In 2020 McVay shuffled the OL again. But the Rams finished 10-6. If anyone believes the BS that it was a coincidence that Stafford and McVay just happen to be vacationing on the same weekend in the same resort after Snead officially shut the negotiations down for the weekend to back SF off, there is a bridge in SF for sale.

McVay never wanted Goff. I love Stafford and love how it worked out. But I doubt Stafford can finish next season without injury. It's really time to look for that next QB.
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?????

The Rams would have never extended Goff without McVay's blessing.

Mcvay was done with Goff in 2020 when he wanted him to make unscheduled plays and goff couldn't do it.

Of course now even Stafford is finding it difficult to do this in this stale offense.

Not sure where Mcvay goes from here. Maybe he needs to reinvent himself.

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You have it exactly backwards. Goff's performance with the Rams doesn't require excuses. It was pretty damn good. But when someone calls it out, as you did, it's fair to respond. And imo it's about time for a reassessment of Goff who is now leading the second top 5 offense of his career.

What needs revision is the absurd narrative that Goff was a bad quarterback who was primarily responsible for the Rams failure to achieve more even while they continued to have winning seasons in 2019 and 2020. Fed by McVay's impatience and his inability to address his own weaknesses as head coach and roster builder, suddenly Goff was a bum.

Of course, the reality is that Goff's and Stafford's and almost any QB's performances are very highly dependent on the talent and coaching around them. Football 101. Imo the Rams in 2019 and 2020 played up to their overall talent and coaching. Goff's performance reflected the offense's inconsistency-- in particular the oline failure to protect on the downfield passing plays which, as we all know, McVay loved to call and keep calling. No matter what.

If you want to continue to blame the team's performance at that time on Goff, fine, go ahead. Agree to disagree. But just imagine for a moment applying that kind of standard to Stafford who had eight losing seasons and never won a playoff game in Detroit.

Now Goff is the QB of another team which, like the Rams, he helped rebuild from nowhere and nothing to a top offense in the league. That kind of lightning doesn't strike twice without some commonality of high level performance and leadership by the quarterback.

And if you want more winning, stay tuned.
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Technically it's his 3rd top 5 offense going on his 4th if he keeps it up.
 
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When Stafford is healthy he's an elite QB. When he's not healthy he's a good QB. McVay needs the run game to support Stafford. They needed to run the ball to get to both SB appearances. McVay's system works best when the Rams have a good run attack. So for him to simply abandon the run when he needs it most makes no sense at all. He understands how important a strong run game is to back the front 7 off and keep them from simply teeing of on the QB. So why is McVay ignoring the need for half his system?

When the perimeter runs were being stuffed why didn't he spread them out and run straight at them? That would then force the front 7 to condense. Then the screens and the intermediate passing game opens up. You force teams to play strictly zone. Teams play man coverage if they don't respect your run game. Stafford, Kupp and Nacua feast on zone coverages. That is the McVay system that works.

This is far more than about a QB. I said before the season this year would depend upon the coaches. Blackburn on STs gets a D. Morris gets a D. McVay gets a C and Wendell gets a B-. That is why they are 3-5 with the softest part of their schedule in front of them. There is no reason if Stafford can play coming out of the bye that the Rams can't go 6-3 or even 7-2. Both the SeaHawks and the 48ers have come back to earth and are beatable.

McVay simply needs to get his head out of his ass and go back to coaching. He needs to move Morris to consulting and promote Pleasant and Lake. Fire Blackburn and hire someone better. Hire John Carney to coach up his kicker. He runs a well regarding kicking camp in San Diego called, The Launching Pad. If anyone can improve the current PK's consistency it's John. Younghoe Koo who was one of the worst PKs I've ever seen spent a week or two with John Carney in 2019. He completely turned his career around.

The Rams can salvage the season if they really want. At the very least they can sign Colt McCoy to finish the season if they shut Stafford down.
 
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kurtfaulk said:
If it wasn't for Goff, Mcvay would have been 62 and 0 during their time together - nfl media and @Merlin

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BS. Goff was a problem for us in that game but I have said many times that if McVay had started and fed CJ Anderson he would have two Super Bowl rings. His stupidity when it comes to the run game is truly his achilles heel.

Also and btw the continued worship of Goff in a Stafford thread years after he has left the team and while he still hasn't won a thing demonstrates who the posters are with a problem over this entire evolution.
 
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Merlin said:
BS. Goff was a problem for us in that game but I have said many times that if McVay had started and fed CJ Anderson he would have two Super Bowl rings. His stupidity when it comes to the run game is truly his achilles heel.

Also and btw the continued worship of Goff in a Stafford thread years after he has left the team and while he still hasn't won a thing demonstrates who the posters are with a problem over this entire evolution.
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Well said. I still root for Goff , but he wouldn’t have been able to do what Stafford did in the playoff run. Goffs wobbly passes in the Super Bowl cost us dearly. He may end up winning one , but we have ours. Short lived the way things have been going.
 
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gabriel18 said:
Well said. I still root for Goff , but he wouldn’t have been able to do what Stafford did in the playoff run. Goffs wobbly passes in the Super Bowl cost us dearly. He may end up winning one , but we have ours. Short lived the way things have been going.
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Yes, Goff has the ability to win one. He may or may not do that.

Both teams clearly won out in their ends of the trade.

This trade should go down as the VERY DEFINITION of Win-Win.
 
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Both teams got huge wins from that trade.
Detroit wins big because Goff is giving them the same performance/production that Stafford did, while getting the draft picks out of it and a younger player. At present, Goff and Stafford have an equal amount of playoff wins for the Lions
Rams win big by claiming the Lombardi that the just didnt appear capable of winning with JG
 
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Merlin said:
BS. Goff was a problem for us in that game but I have said many times that if McVay had started and fed CJ Anderson he would have two Super Bowl rings. His stupidity when it comes to the run game is truly his achilles heel.

Also and btw the continued worship of Goff in a Stafford thread years after he has left the team and while he still hasn't won a thing demonstrates who the posters are with a problem over this entire evolution.
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man, just take the joke for what it was, a joke.

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Giles said:
Yea I wouldn't go that far. I do believe mcvay didn't develop him to the best of his ability.
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Agreed. I wouldn't say McVay intentionally did anything to hinder Goff's development. I'd argue that maybe McVay found difficulty in being able to get Goff over his hump. Can we even say that McVay is some QB whisperer? Someone who can develop a QB into a starting caliber player? We haven't seen it in his tenure here.

He inherited Goff who was a first round pick for a reason. He has the tools to be a franchise QB when under anyone not named Jeff Fisher. I'd argue McVay didn't develop Goff, not fully.

Then there's Stafford. What is he teaching Stafford that he hasn't seen or heard before? By his own admission, he wanted Stafford because of the player he already was. He was the perfect fit for the offense and at least for the year following his acquisition, he proved McVay right.

I simply present the following not to shit on McVay but to make the argument that we haven't truly seen him develop a young QB. Look at how terrible each of the backups have always been (outside of Mayfield who, again, falls into the category we can place Goff in). They aren't even considered serviceable by most people, no matter how long they've been on the team.
 
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