Stafford Talk

[RamFanWA]

Still a mystery what happened between Goff and McVay. Stafford throws pick 6's and McVay thinks he's a stud. Goff turns it over and he roasts his balls in the media. No idea what's going on there.

Obviously... Staff has the photo's...

 

[Giles]

Still a mystery what happened between Goff and McVay. Stafford throws pick 6's and McVay thinks he's a stud. Goff turns it over and he roasts his balls in the media. No idea what's going on there.

JG just wasn't mcvays type of qb nor was he his guy. I'm also willing to bet JG has some choice words for mcvays playcalling just like Akers did and we saw what happened to both.

 

[OnceARam]

That's 1 gm. What about the other 7?

It was an ugly loss. Worse than anything we had during our SB run. They still have a lot to prove.

 

[OnceARam]

JG just wasn't mcvays type of qb nor was he his guy. I'm also willing to bet JG has some choice words for mcvays playcalling just like Akers did and we saw what happened to both.

It was evident that Goff wasn't watching tape. Remember all the jokes about the distraction of his girlfriend's assets...

 

[Giles]

It was evident that Goff wasn't watching tape. Remember all the jokes about the distraction of his girlfriend's assets...

Yea I call bs on that.

 

[Giles]

It was an ugly loss. Worse than anything we had during our SB run. They still have a lot to prove.

No worse than the bucs 38-3 loss in 2020. Sometimes you just get your ass kicked. It happens.

 

[Merlin]

Everyone has moments in their career where your boss is disappointed or decides you're not good enough for something. And those moments when you overcome them make you better.

So it's entirely possible that Goff was not good enough, and that he has busted his ass to bounce back from it. At least that's how I see it. But in this league you can never rest on your laurels. Which is to say Goff is still going to be evaluated on the playoffs and under the high expectations he has enabled. And this time around how will he handle that.

Detroit has a hell of a nice offensive roster. Adding LaPorta and Gibbs in one draft was an insane influx of quality and he's got a strong line protecting him. I think they're a top wideout away from having an elite unit, and also maybe a QB depending on how he handles the playoffs.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I think they're a top wideout away from having an elite unit

too bad they wasted two high draft picks on that bonehead jameson williams.

bonehead and can't even catch the ball. he's horrible.

teams always get enamoured by speed and forget to evaluate if the guy can actually play the wr position.

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[Giles]

too bad they wasted two high draft picks on that bonehead jameson williams.

bonehead and can't even catch the ball. he's horrible.

teams always get enamoured by speed and forget to evaluate if the guy can actually play the wr position.

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What's crazy is some lions fans actually are blaming JG for his issues. I can't think of 1 player who he just struggled with.

 

[FarNorth]

They didnt look good against Balt.

It was an ugly loss. Worse than anything we had during our SB run. They still have a lot to prove.

About the same as the Rams loss to the Niners in November 2021 when they were down 31-7 in the 4th and rallied to make 31-10. Except that was part of a three game losing streak that nearly derailed their season. They were 7-1 and lost three in a row to fall to 7-4. It seemed pretty debatable whether they could pull out of that nosedive at the time.

Lions were down to their third string cornerback on one side and made defensive mistakes. They couldn't get to Jackson and he roasted them. He's done that to McVay too.

Lions have a young defense. They are learning. And yes they do have a lot to prove. But I don't expect another game like that or a November losing streak from them.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Everyone has moments in their career where your boss is disappointed or decides you're not good enough for something. And those moments when you overcome them make you better.

So it's entirely possible that Goff was not good enough, and that he has busted his ass to bounce back from it. At least that's how I see it. But in this league you can never rest on your laurels. Which is to say Goff is still going to be evaluated on the playoffs and under the high expectations he has enabled. And this time around how will he handle that.

Detroit has a hell of a nice offensive roster. Adding LaPorta and Gibbs in one draft was an insane influx of quality and he's got a strong line protecting him. I think they're a top wideout away from having an elite unit, and also maybe a QB depending on how he handles the playoffs.

Agreed.

Seems to me that McVay didn't believe he could win a Super Bowl with Goff. McVay needed help from someone who could win off schedule.

Goff with good protection doing well in Detroit shouldn't be much of a surprise. But, can he win a Super Bowl with Detroit? That would be the best answer to McVay and the Rams organization.

 

[FarNorth]

too bad they wasted two high draft picks on that bonehead jameson williams.

bonehead and can't even catch the ball. he's horrible.

teams always get enamoured by speed and forget to evaluate if the guy can actually play the wr position.

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Imo he's raw and young but not a bust. Needs to master a complex high level offense in Detroit. Not just deep routes. Goff throws with anticipation to whichever receiver is coming open. The receivers need to run exactly the right routes and be exactly on the same page with the QB. I think Williams will get there.

The Detroit offense is already formidable with a powerful running game and Goff's high precision passing. If Williams learns the ropes it could be nearly unstoppable.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Personally I’m not ready to hang a bust tag on Jamo, he’s actually proven to be a willing and most effective blocker down field, drops seem to be an issue but I’ve seen enough football in my lifetime to know that’s fixable, now if he only had Cooper Kupps football IQ, lol

Lions are my second favorite team currently, gotta root for these guys

 

[Merlin]

Imo he's raw and young but not a bust.

He's 29 years old and this is his 8th season. This is the window to win playoff games and he's got the team around him to do it.

 

[Giles]

Imo he's raw and young but not a bust. Needs to master a complex high level offense in Detroit. Not just deep routes. Goff throws with anticipation to whichever receiver is coming open. The receivers need to run exactly the right routes and be exactly on the same page with the QB. I think Williams will get there.

The Detroit offense is already formidable with a powerful running game and Goff's high precision passing. If Williams learns the ropes it could be nearly unstoppable.

Agreed. Jamo needs to figure out that just running fast isn't enough in this league. Timing matters.

 

[RamDino]

too bad they wasted two high draft picks on that bonehead jameson williams.

bonehead and can't even catch the ball. he's horrible.

teams always get enamoured by speed and forget to evaluate if the guy can actually play the wr position.

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Agreed. But he was awesome in college and had universal praise. Just a miss... for now anyway.

 

[Merlin]

Half the prob with receivers nowadays is making sure they're not divas. If you can get a wideout who's a dog and has high end talent nowadays you're in business.

I mean even in this upcoming draft and knowing we need just about every cornerstone spot I would not complain if they draft a stud wideout up top. Those guys are hard to find.

 

[Giles]

Half the prob with receivers nowadays is making sure they're not divas. If you can get a wideout who's a dog and has high end talent nowadays you're in business.

I mean even in this upcoming draft and knowing we need just about every cornerstone spot I would not complain if they draft a stud wideout up top. Those guys are hard to find.

I know everyone is salivating over MHJr rn as they should be but that kid from Washington Rome is like that. Reminds me of jettus.

 

[FarNorth]

Everyone has moments in their career where your boss is disappointed or decides you're not good enough for something. And those moments when you overcome them make you better.

So it's entirely possible that Goff was not good enough, and that he has busted his ass to bounce back from it. At least that's how I see it.

An objective account imo would be that the Rams' roster and McVay's offense weren't good enough in 2019 and 2020 to make a Super Bowl run. Once Gurley was hobbled the break out potential was gone. They still had winning records both years (9-7 and 10-6). Goff won a playoff game for them in Seattle with a broken thumb in 2021.

Right now Goff's last two years here are looking pretty damn good compared with the Rams since their 2021 championship.

It's true that Goff didn't handle the middle of the oline breaking down in front of him very well. The interior line (-Saffold, +Blythe) couldn't consistently protect Goff, a classic dropback qb who steps into his throws. Also true that McVay that wanted a QB with a quick delivery who could make off schedule plays under pressure--- because he thought his offense couldn't succeed without it.

In any event plainly McVay and Goff weren't on the same page. McVay, intentionally or otherwise, then shifted the narrative and the blame to Goff for the Rams failure to make deep playoff runs in 2019 and 2020. Which imo was immature if not shameful behavior unworthy of an outstanding coach.

Detroit has a hell of a nice offensive roster. Adding LaPorta and Gibbs in one draft was an insane influx of quality and he's got a strong line protecting him. I think they're a top wideout away from having an elite unit, and also maybe a QB depending on how he handles the playoffs.

Yeah... Amazing to add Gibbs and LaPorta. A great draft. (Brian Branch!). Detroit is now a really talented offensive roster. But last year they were a powerhouse with a bunch of guys you never heard of--- and Jared Goff pulling it all together. Now it's Amon Ra St. Brown, Gibbs, Montgomery, LaPorta, Reynolds, just maybe Jameson Williams, and good depth. A powerful oline again with depth to play through multiple injuries. A great OC. And though Goff was outstanding with the Rams, he is certainly a much more accomplished qb now.

But the biggest difference for Goff imo is that Detroit OC Ben Johnson is working with him, not against him, to how to run the offense:

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In about 24 hours over the three days, Johnson and Goff sat in a meeting room surrounded by whiteboards.​

They watched Rams video of Goff from 2019 and 2020, talked, took notes and drew plays with dry-erase markers.​

On the first day, they focused on Goff ’s favorite pass and run concepts. The second day was devoted to Rams plays​

Johnson didn’t completely understand. And on the final day, they brainstormed new directions to take the Lions​

offense and ways to build on what Goff had already mastered.​

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How the Jared Goff-Ben Johnson partnership has elevated both of them — and the Lions

A struggling quarterback and a tight ends coach going nowhere formed a strong bond and jump-started the offense for a team on the rise.

theathletic.com

But in this league you can never rest on your laurels. Which is to say Goff is still going to be evaluated on the playoffs and under the high expectations he has enabled. And this time around how will he handle that.

Goff doesn't need to prove he can win in the playoffs. When you can win the NFC championship on the road in New Orleans-- in overtime, after coming from behind in the last two minutes of the 4th quarter-- and win in Seattle against the division winner, with a broken thumb---you can win in the playoffs. No places or games tougher than those.

But I expect to see a lot more playoff wins from Goff in Detroit.​

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[kurtfaulk]

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The question is, when will Mcvay be done with Stafford?

With every loss this season and last Stafford has been unable to make something out of nothing in an offense that seems to have nothing on 3rd downs pretty regularly the last few years.

Goff has zero chance making unscheduled plays. He can only run the play that's called. He can run it well but if it goes pear shaped the play is over. Goff would take the sack or throw the ball away. He was good like that and kept turnovers down. That's until 2020 where unscheduled plays became very big with Mcvay as his offense wasn't bamboozling defenses anymore and the qb had to pick up the slack. That's why he was so miserable in 20 as goff just couldn't do it. And the turnovers piled up as he tried to be the qb Mcvay wanted. So out he went and in came Stafford.

Stafford was everything Mcvay wanted. And come playoff time he put in a QB Masterclass to lead the Rams to superbowl glory. Truly the best qb play in playoff 4th qtrs in nfl history.

Alas, since then it's been not so good. The offense has been shut down easily in most games. There's no magic on 3rd downs when the chips are down. The offense just sputters along, sometimes it runs smoothly but more often it goes nowhere.

How much longer will Mcvay stand for this?

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