Stafford and those 2 first-rounders - worth it?

[FrantikRam]

Which I can understand, my problem is I’ve rewatched the SB enough times to conclude, Goff wasn’t the problem, in fact he played well considering Bellicheat took McVay to the woodshed, he hung in and actually made some pretty decent throws in the face of incredible pressure that may have changed things had they been caught (and I’ve already heard the rebuttals, agree to disagree)

My take on Stafford is he has the look sometimes of the 33yr old QB with high mileage, especially when he “gingerly“ runs for the 1st down marker (reminds me of an old Namath or Stabler) not sure how many years he has left in the tank, I’d be happy with 2 at the same current level (which is a notch down from say 5 years ago)

Probably not going to be a popular take, just calling it as I see it

Yikes I completely disagree. McVay took the blame because that's what he does.

But Goff missed throws and took unecessary sacks (such as the one where he had time, rolled out and just took a sack instead of throwing the ball away).

And McVay called the play that had Brandin Cooks running down the field wide open that Goff threw way too late and gave the defender time to catch up.

McVay certainly wasn't perfect but IMO Goff was significantly worse.

 

[majrleaged]

Yikes I completely disagree. McVay took the blame because that's what he does.

But Goff missed throws and took unecessary sacks (such as the one where he had time, rolled out and just took a sack instead of throwing the ball away).

And McVay called the play that had Brandin Cooks running down the field wide open that Goff threw way too late and gave the defender time to catch up.

McVay certainly wasn't perfect but IMO Goff was significantly worse.

Together they failed miserably. Goff had trouble seeing what the D was doing and McVay had no answer but to do what had worked up until the end of the season. Plus the Oline got bullied. Could have used the roll outs in that game but that didn't come until about half way thru the following season. Most of the Rams losses are our O and D lines getting bullied. I hope we have fixed that.

 

[Kupped]

Together they failed miserably. Goff had trouble seeing what the D was doing and McVay had no answer but to do what had worked up until the end of the season. Plus the Oline got bullied. Could have used the roll outs in that game but that didn't come until about half way thru the following season. Most of the Rams losses are our O and D lines getting bullied. I hope we have fixed that.

And a little bad luck.
The holding call on a nice Gurley run.
No call on what could've been called a PI to Cooks.

But, yeah.. that was both of them failing, more than anyone else. I don't understand how a guy like McVay can be so brilliant but can have no answers or responses in that game.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Yikes I completely disagree. McVay took the blame because that's what he does.

But Goff missed throws and took unecessary sacks (such as the one where he had time, rolled out and just took a sack instead of throwing the ball away).

And McVay called the play that had Brandin Cooks running down the field wide open that Goff threw way too late and gave the defender time to catch up.

McVay certainly wasn't perfect but IMO Goff was significantly worse.

We certainly don’t see eye to eye on this...no need for me to ramble on, been there done that

There is absolutely nothing I can say to change your mind and vice versa, I have rewatched this game so many times (after a 6 month couldn’t watch period, too painful ) and I wholeheartedly stand by my comments, Golf was the least of what went wrong with the offense in that game Imho, we simply got schooled by the Patriots scheme our OLine was throttled McVay had no answers, remember now he allegedly gIves Goff two play options, lol, what if both sucked...and Goff saw it (after they changed up the D post 15 second cut off) personally I think over time that became a barrier between the two

Lol, notice i rambled on anyway

 

[FarNorth]

And a little bad luck.
The holding call on a nice Gurley run.
No call on what could've been called a PI to Cooks.

But, yeah.. that was both of them failing, more than anyone else. I don't understand how a guy like McVay can be so brilliant but can have no answers or responses in that game.

Bad luck was having a worn down Gurley and no Cooper Kupp. Bad strategy was bringing the same game plan which Chicago had defended to the big game against Belichek. McVay was outcoached.

 

[Kupped]

The fancy new feature on the main board says I've posted 45 times in this thread.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME?????????

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

The fancy new feature on the main board says I've posted 45 times in this thread.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME?????????

Anyone makes 45 posts within 15 pages is legendary

For that I give the thread winner

 

[jrry32]

It's also possible that he just regressed.

When the ball is in the air, scheme goes out the window. He's rarely made plays or shows well in coverage since becoming a Seahawk. We've benefitted first hand from his poor coverage when Tyler Higbee beat him for a TD this year.

That would be quite the coincidence.

I don't look at players as what they were, I look at them as what they are.

Which is why I described Adams as what he was when Seattle made the trade before the 2020 season.

 

[badnews]

I believe Holmes is a really good GM and is putting Detroit on the right path.

I really hope so.

I want Brad Holmes to do well and I hope Goff and Reynolds and any other Rams cast-offs that end up there this offseason (it's possible/probable there's a few) stay there and they all play well... but I wouldn't care if no former Rams played there. I want to see the Lions fuck with Green Bay, Minnesota and Chicago... I'm espescially sick of the Packers. A small and sadistic part of me misses the intensity of every snap when you are rooting for a team that's been bad a long time but still plays with heart. I love that shit.

The Rams will always be the only team I really care about.... but if I was forced to go undercover as a fan of another team and I could choose - the Lions, by far.

 

[RamFan503]

Jamal Adams is very arguably the best safety in the NFL when a team is playing to his strengths.

That may indeed be the case. But I'm sorry. The safety position is one I would never see as worth the same kind of compensation as an elite QB, CB, WR, DE, or Aaron Donald.

You can say he is a game changer for a defense if they play him right. Maybe.... But not to the extent that merits that kind of trade and salary.

And if you are going to make that trade and then not play him "correctly" it's even a worse value trade. You are making that trade because he is aledgedly going to transform your defense in the role you intend to use him. If using him wrong is your plan, you are making an idiotic decision there too.

The idea that a safety playing up and blitzing a bunch is going to work long term in the NFL is just not reality. Teams do exactly what they have done. They go after him and use his playing out of position against him.

He may be an elite athlete and safety. But I think that trade was idiotic whether you think you have a window or not and think he's the best safety since Ronny Lott.

You're not necessarily right or wrong. You just feel that the Safety that is Adams is worth more than I feel any safety is worth. That's fine. And I'm just glad the move is proving you WRONG.

 

[jrry32]

That may indeed be the case. But I'm sorry. The safety position is one I would never see as worth the same kind of compensation as an elite QB, CB, WR, DE, or Aaron Donald.

You can say he is a game changer for a defense if they play him right. Maybe.... But not to the extent that merits that kind of trade and salary.

And if you are going to make that trade and then not play him "correctly" it's even a worse value trade. You are making that trade because he is aledgedly going to transform your defense in the role you intend to use him. If using him wrong is your plan, you are making an idiotic decision there too.

The idea that a safety playing up and blitzing a bunch is going to work long term in the NFL is just not reality. Teams do exactly what they have done. They go after him and use his playing out of position against him.

He may be an elite athlete and safety. But I think that trade was idiotic whether you think you have a window or not and think he's the best safety since Ronny Lott.

You're not necessarily right or wrong. You just feel that the Safety that is Adams is worth more than I feel any safety is worth. That's fine. And I'm just glad the move is proving you WRONG.

There aren't a lot of All Pro caliber players in the NFL. Unless we're talking a specialist, I'd pay a pretty penny for one. That's something the Rams understand and have taken advantage of. Picks are great. You have to be able to find starters on rookie contracts. But early round picks are overvalued when you can use something that's essentially a probability to acquire a player who's proven.

But you're right that Seattle misusing the guy after trading for him makes them look like doofuses.

 

[RamFan503]

There aren't a lot of All Pro caliber players in the NFL. Unless we're talking a specialist, I'd pay a pretty penny for one. That's something the Rams understand and have taken advantage of. Picks are great. You have to be able to find starters on rookie contracts. But early round picks are overvalued when you can use something that's essentially a probability to acquire a player who's proven.

But you're right that Seattle misusing the guy after trading for him makes them look like doofuses.

We pretty much agree here except about the value of the position - all pro or no.

I tend to think fans like draft picks more because they like to imagine the possibilities and discuss the potential of players coming out of college, even though the reality is that most of those picks won't pan out and help your team near to the extent of a proven elite player.

But these kinds of trades require that you hit on a good portion of your "lesser" picks and UDFAs. They also require you to be able to exploit the spendy player's skill sets and for that player to be a REAL difference maker.

I don't see Adams being that player no matter how he's used.

 

[jrry32]

We pretty much agree here except about the value of the position - all pro or no.

I tend to think fans like draft picks more because they like to imagine the possibilities and discuss the potential of players coming out of college, even though the reality is that most of those picks won't pan out and help your team near to the extent of a proven elite player.

But these kinds of trades require that you hit on a good portion of your "lesser" picks and UDFAs. They also require you to be able to exploit the spendy player's skill sets and for that player to be a REAL difference maker.

I don't see Adams being that player no matter how he's used.

And that's where we respectfully disagree, which is fine.

 

[Ellard80]

And that's where we respectfully disagree, which is fine.

just FYI saftey is the least drafted position out of any defensive spot in the 1st round of the nfl draft.

FWIW

 

[Mojo Ram]

McV was slow to realize what kind of game he was involved in that day. That's on him, but once he realized that what he needed was just one big play on offense Goff couldn't get it done. Brady did.

The End

 

[kurtfaulk]

McV was slow to realize what kind of game he was involved in that day. That's on him, but once he realized that what he needed was just one big play on offense Goff couldn't get it done. Brady did.

The End

but he did get it done. perfect ball to the chest of cooks in the endzone. unfortunately he dropped it while one of his arms was being held back. worst result should have been 1st and goal at the 1 yard line. not called. that's the kind of play that needs to get caught to win superbowls.

next pass was horrible.

.

 

[Tano]

but he did get it done. perfect ball to the chest of cooks in the endzone. unfortunately he dropped it while one of his arms was being held back. worst result should have been 1st and goal at the 1 yard line. not called. that's the kind of play that needs to get caught to win superbowls.

next pass was horrible.

.

And on the other pass to Cooks - all he had to do while waiting a full second for the ball to arrive there while standing still was take one step to his left (facing the QB) and turn his back slightly to the CB coming in and the CB would have had to climb his back to knock the ball away.

I blame Cooks just as much as Goff for getting that ball knocked away.

 

[Faceplant]

I’ve rewatched the SB enough times

Holy shit. You have a much stronger stomach than I do. No way I ever watch that again.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Holy shit. You have a much stronger stomach than I do. No way I ever watch that again.

It took me about half a year, after escaping with a W in the most hostile environment ever (Superdome) I thought we had this even with no Kupp and a basically ineffective TG2 (I can understand those who didn’t rewatch the game, but rewatching it a few times shed a different light compared to my real time impression)

Myself, while those 2 50/50 balls to Cooks can be lamented forever, it was that critical phantom holding penalty on Gurley mid 3rd quarter to the the Patriots 33 or so that really screwed us (it was 3-3 still)

i remember being okay with that bad pick by Goff after the near TD to Cooks, we had our timeouts, still 3 minutes left, it was a one score game, our D was playing well, I looked at it as a pin them deep punt, get them to go 3 and out and make the final drive. (I was concerned we’d tie it up too early before the pick, tho of course I would have taken it)

 

[So Ram]

It took me about half a year, after escaping with a W in the most hostile environment ever (Superdome) I thought we had this even with no Kupp and a basically ineffective TG2 (I can understand those who didn’t rewatch the game, but rewatching it a few times shed a different light compared to my real time impression)

Myself, while those 2 50/50 balls to Cooks can be lamented forever, it was that critical phantom holding penalty on Gurley mid 3rd quarter to the the Patriots 33 or so that really screwed us (it was 3-3 still)

i remember being okay with that bad pick by Goff after the near TD to Cooks, we had our timeouts, still 3 minutes left, it was a one score game, our D was playing well, I looked at it as a pin them deep punt, get them to go 3 and out and make the final drive. (I was concerned we’d tie it up too early before the pick, tho of course I would have taken it)

Yeah, that was BS. Gurley had knee issues,but I’m sure in the 2nd half he was on something.He could have taken over the game.Jared Goff IMO has always been a solid QB under Sean Mcvay.(of course I’d get pissed & got banned here for commenting last year about him during the Miami game.It was a photo of home wearing a Seahag jersey for Halloween & dogged his play & what I thought).

I thought John Sullivan meant a lot to The Rams just because of his leadership & knowledge alone.Mcvay knows & has admitted such for cutting him & Big Whit was upset & said so as well.To think that was his last game as a Ram still hurts my Heart because he got screwed all the way around for it in a sense.Mcvay never thought he would make such a LIFE change & hang it up by getting into amazing shape.

Sorry a So Ram Vent.

Cory Littleton was covering Gronk on pass plays.The PATS ran 3 deep balls in a row to him.The first 2 he had amazing coverage.Then they ran the same play again. Cory was in good position,but of course Brady puts it in a perfect spot for a go ahead TD.Disappointing he played that that so well covering Gronk for 30 yards 3 times in a row,basically without FS help ? I don’t know who saw that ?

Anyway it is what it is & The Rams have been through a lot of changes since then.Goff imo is still a solid QB
& has been better than Carson Wentz.
I still for one never wanted the TRADE for JARED GOFF to begin with.Nick Foles was still under contract. He got to PHILLY because of Sam Bradford’s injury ? Foles beat Case Keenum & then Brady to win SuperBowl MVP.

Now Stafford & The Rams giving up 2 more draft picks to get rid of Jared Goff. My answer to the question is I like The Rams & Love there chances to win a SuperBowl. Has Stafford been the QB I thought he was ? Not exactly,but he is The Rams Best Chance to Win a SuperBowl & his character is off the Charts.
Getting out of the Jared Goff & Todd Gurley contracts were a must.

I think Cam Akers is an amazing RB. Sony Michael was the reason NE won the SuperBowl 18/19.

Brian Allen has developed into a solid center after everything.He was the backup Center/Guard & Austin Blythe was the starting RG.

I always try to keep things in perspective.Von Miller & OBj we’re another GREAT find & trades by Les Snead because of McSnead & Kronke building a Field of My Dreams.I could smoke an abundance of WEED & things couldn’t have been written much better.
When the Chargers play at SOFI it should be written in They play Whose House!!! I WIll Always say Stan House when I walk in a look onto the Field no matter who is playing!!!!

I drink The Kool-Aide so Yes it was The Best Trade The Rams could have ever made & The Rams win The SuperBowl in 21/22 at SOFI Stadium