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Stafford and those 2 first-rounders - worth it?
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Yeah but they could still trade down and get another second and 4th round pick with that low first
Snead is quite frequently awesome with 2nd and lower picks
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It definitely matters where in the 1st round the picks would have been. Anything over 10 doesn't have a whole lot of value.
With Goff we are probably a top 10 team in the league so pick would have been about #20. Not much there.
With Goff we are probably a top 10 team in the league so pick would have been about #20. Not much there.
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For example, the first rounders Seattle gave to the Jets are going to be much higher than our first rounders would have.
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I still giggle at what the shithawks gave up for a "SS". And Norton not using him correctly. So good lol
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Seattle's pick going to the Jets this year....
They wouldn't trade that for Goff, a 3rd, our first and next year's first.
We really did steal Stafford
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When the Seahawks made their trade, they thought they were giving up two late first round picks too. They were getting a guy who completely transformed their defense. I would wait to take the victory lap. It could very easily be us next year giving up a top 10 pick next year if Stafford gets hurt and misses a good chunk of the season.
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Fair point but I’d argue that you also have to factor in character when you give up those kind of picks. In Stafford we knew we were getting a bona fide leader on and off the field who had the respect of the entire NFL whereas Adams is a known asshole on and off the field and I can attest to that from being in the NY market and what was known about him.
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You could say that about any elite QB. If they get hurt the team goes to shit. What do you think Green Bay's record would be if they didnt have Rodgers? Or KC? Or Buffalo? Or Cincinnati?
Stafford has proven to be noting but tough as nails his entire career. The guy doesn't miss games and you cant form your risk projection based on injury if the guy doesn't have a history of missing games.
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Oh.. trading two firsts for a safety who isn't versatile enough to cover is batshit crazy. It was a bad trade then and is now.
He didn't transform their defense and the team is worse off than it was when they traded for him.
On merit, health aside, it was a bad trade.
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Gonna have to disagree. Adams got angry with how poorly things were run with the Jets, but he has been known back to his LSU days for being a defensive leader and a tireless worker who pushes the guys around him to be better. Quote from a NFL scout on Adams before he was drafted:
"The people who have been at that program the longest think he might be the best leader LSU has had in years. He's a no-doubt first-rounder. He can play all over the field and he could have an immediate impact on defense just like Landon Collins did coming out. I love him. I think he's a winner."
Jamal Adams' impact on the Seahawks defense, by the numbers
Their overall EPA per play also jumped from No. 20 in the league without Adams to No. 9 with.
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He's one of the NFL's best safeties. And his weaknesses in coverage are overstated. He's not a centerfielder and isn't going to man up on a WR. A good DC could easily find ways to deploy him in the passing game to do some real damage. Adams is a great player.
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Agree, you could turn those two 1st's into 4 or 5 top 75 picks. That's a lot of draft capital. Same with the 2 &3 for Miller. They could have become 3 or 4 top 100 picks.
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Gonna have to disagree. Adams got angry with how poorly things were run with the Jets, but he has been known back to his LSU days for being a defensive leader and a tireless worker who pushes the guys around him to be better. Quote from a NFL scout on Adams before he was drafted:
"The people who have been at that program the longest think he might be the best leader LSU has had in years. He's a no-doubt first-rounder. He can play all over the field and he could have an immediate impact on defense just like Landon Collins did coming out. I love him. I think he's a winner."
Jamal Adams' impact on the Seahawks defense, by the numbers
Their overall EPA per play also jumped from No. 20 in the league without Adams to No. 9 with.
He's one of the NFL's best safeties. And his weaknesses in coverage are overstated. He's not a centerfielder and isn't going to man up on a WR. A good DC could easily find ways to deploy him in the passing game to do some real damage. Adams is a great player.
He's a liability in pass coverage. He's got 4 interceptions in 5 years and defenses seek him out in the passing game to exploit.
His big strength was getting to the QB and he had no sacks in 12 games this season. Diggs makes much more of an impact in the passing game.
Trading two firsts for him is going to go down as one of the worst trades in recent years.
Where does the Jamal Adams deal rank among worst trades of the Pete Carroll era?
Where does the Jamal Adams deal rank among worst trades of the Pete Carroll era?
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He's one of the best safeties in football. But like almost every player, he has flaws. Imagine if a team took Cooper Kupp and asked him to almost entirely run deep routes. Imagine if a team took D.K. Metcalf and asked him to do what Cooper Kupp does. Smart coordinators understand their players' strengths and weaknesses. They design their schemes around playing to the strengths and masking the weaknesses.He's a liability in pass coverage. He's got 4 interceptions in 5 years and defenses seek him out in the passing game to exploit.
His big strength was getting to the QB and he had no sacks in 12 games this season. Diggs makes much more of an impact in the passing game.
Trading two firsts for him is going to go down as one of the worst trades in recent years.
Where does the Jamal Adams deal rank among worst trades of the Pete Carroll era?
Where does the Jamal Adams deal rank among worst trades of the Pete Carroll era?
Jamal Adams can be a gamewrecker if you used correctly. He's a force against the run, he's an elite blitzer, and he's quite good when used as a robber. He's also effective at covering tight ends. What Jamal Adams is not is a safety who can man up against WRs or excel in deep zone coverage. Play to his strengths, and you have an All Pro. There aren't a lot of guys in the NFL you can say that about.
As for the trade, it won't go down as one of the worst trades in recent years. People might make it out to be that because it hasn't panned out for Seattle in the way they expected. They thought they had a window and were going for a Super Bowl. Things fells apart. But Jamal Adams isn't the reason things didn't work out. He didn't screw things up there. Some people will scapegoat him, but the reality of what both Seattle and us do is that you look like geniuses trading those picks until the wheels come off.
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