Space Exploration - James Webb Telescope / Mars Rovers, etc

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Perseverance is supposed to grab some rock samples then shoot them up into orbit sometime in the future, where it gets collected by a spacecraft and sent back to Earth, but...

NASA's 1st attempt to collect Mars samples with Perseverance rover comes up empty​

https://www.space.com/perseverance-rover-mars-sample-attempt-fails

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The Perseverance rover's first sample-snagging attempt didn't go according to plan.

The car-sized Perseverance landed inside the Red Planet's Jezero Crater this past February with two main tasks: to hunt for signs of past Mars life and to collect and cache samples for future return to Earth.

The NASA rover drilled its first sample-collecting hole on Friday (Aug. 6), a major milestone for the $2.7 billion mission. But data beamed back to Earth by Perseverance indicate that no Mars rock or dirt made it into the sampling tube, NASA officials announced on Friday afternoon.


"While this is not the 'hole in one' we hoped for, there is always risk with breaking new ground," Thomas Zurbuchen, associate administrator of NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington, said in a statement. (Perseverance's mission is the first step in a Mars sample-return campaign, which has never been done before.)

"I'm confident we have the right team working this, and we will persevere toward a solution to ensure future success," Zurbuchen added.

As those words imply, this wasn't a make-or-break moment for Perseverance; the rover carries 43 sampling tubes. The mission plan calls for Perseverance to fill at least 20 of them with material extracted from holes it bores into Martian rock with the percussive drill at the end of its 7-foot-long (2.1 meters) robotic arm.

Data received from Perseverance indicate that the drill, which has a hollow coring bit, worked as intended, and that processing of the sample tube appeared to be normal as well, NASA officials said.

"The sampling process is autonomous from beginning to end," Perseverance surface mission manager Jessica Samuels, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Southern California, said in the same statement. "One of the steps that occurs after placing a probe into the collection tube is to measure the volume of the sample. The probe did not encounter the expected resistance that would be there if a sample were inside the tube."

This outcome — a successfully drilled hole but an empty tube — was never encountered during tests of the sampling system on Earth, the Perseverance team said via the rover's official Twitter account.

"The initial thinking is that the empty tube is more likely a result of the rock target not reacting the way we expected during coring, and less likely a hardware issue with the Sampling and Caching System," Perseverance project manager Jennifer Trosper, also of JPL, said in the same statement. "Over the next few days, the team will be spending more time analyzing the data we have and also acquiring some additional diagnostic data to support understanding the root cause for the empty tube."

That additional data will include detailed photos of the borehole, which Perseverance will take with the WATSON (Wide Angle Topographic Sensor for Operations and Engineering) camera at the end of its arm, NASA officials said.

There is some precedent for unexpected rock or dirt properties throwing roadblocks up for Mars robots. Perseverance's older cousin Curiosity, for example, has drilled into rocks that proved to be significantly harder or more brittle than mission team members had anticipated. And the burrowing heat probe on NASA's InSight Mars lander failed to dig nearly as deeply as planned, perhaps stymied by weirdly dusty yet cohesive dirt.

"I have been on every Mars rover mission since the beginning, and this planet is always teaching us what we don't know about it," Trosper said. "One thing I've found is, it's not unusual to have complications during complex, first-time activities."

Mike Wall is the author of "Out There" (Grand Central Publishing, 2018; illustrated by Karl Taint), a book about the search for alien life. Follow him on Twitter @michaeldwall. Follow us on Twitter @Spacedotcom or Facebook.
 

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What is really interesting... That the initial photos (which were released first) from that moment did not include anything in the sky. But then when the vids were released, which were confirmed to be original footage, there they are.

This is why some think NASA scrubbed them out on the photo but forgot to scrub them out on the video which was released afterwards.

What is funny is that this gets lost in some of the stupidity like the rock that people on youtube think is an animal. And even the story I linked leads with the rock story but then mentions the video/photo disparity.

There may well be a real explanation for all this. I'm sure something will be put out but it's kind of fascinating for those of us who inhale swamp gas and wear tinfoil hats. :part:


View: https://youtu.be/kX7iOqLd5Mw
 

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"I have been on every Mars rover mission since the beginning, and this planet is always teaching us what we don't know about it," Trosper said. "One thing I've found is, it's not unusual to have complications during complex, first-time activities."
I'm wondering if it's something as simple as air pressure. Where they would have tested the sensor's ability to sense what is in the tube with Earth's air pressure, but maybe Mars' atmosphere being so thin is part of the problem.
 

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There may well be a real explanation for all this. I'm sure something will be put out but it's kind of fascinating for those of us who inhale swamp gas and wear tinfoil hats.

Hmm. Yeah… What is that?
 

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My guess is that it's one of the communication satellites that are orbiting Mars for these rovers. China even has one up there now. The Martian atmosphere is extremely thin... I bet you can see the satellites up there much more clearly than here on Earth.
 

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NASA Mars helicopter nails 12th flight, scouts ahead for Perseverance rover​

NASA's Ingenuity helicopter has done the dozen. Not content to just prove it could fly on Mars, the chopper is now making itself a valuable contributor on the red planet, helping the rover Perseverance in its mission to find signs of ancient microbial life. Rising 32ft above the surface of Mars on Sunday evening, the chopper completed flight 12 in 169 seconds. Nice!

The chopper flew over a region called "South Seitah," an area that's home to boulders and rocky outcrops of interest to the Perseverance rover team. NASA's JPL called the region a "geological wonder."


View: https://twitter.com/nasajpl/status/1427493737219776521?s=21


"Flying over Seitah South carries substantial risk because of the varied terrain," Ingenuity team lead Teddy Tzanetos wrote in a status update prior to the flight on Sunday. The helicopter's navigation system was designed to work with relatively flat terrain, so making sense out of rougher landscapes can be a challenge. The rotorcraft has run into some technical difficulties, but survived them all so far.

"When we choose to accept the risks associated with such a flight, it is because of the correspondingly high rewards," Tzanetos said Sunday. "Knowing that we have the opportunity to help the Perseverance team with science planning by providing unique aerial footage is all the motivation needed."

The risks of flight 12 were easily managed by Ingenuity, which hasn't stopped delivering record flights since it first took to the air back on April 20.

Ingenuity's mission has been all about risks and rewards. It was an unknown whether the helicopter would even work on Mars.

It not only works, but is also now showing how an aerial vehicle can act as a valuable scout for a ground-based rover. Flight 12, in particular, should prove extremely valuable for the Perseverance team. Scouting ahead and examining for potentially dangerous or interesting terrain makes for a much more efficient -- and safe -- rover journey. Just think of all the extra science that can be done when you're not wasting time trying to determine which way you should roll your rover!

Perseverance is expected to meet up with Ingenuity in the coming days and NASA's scientists will examine the images to determine which rocks they should be examining next. Further flights for Ingenuity have not yet been detailed by NASA but its next sojourn, number 13, will likely concern the superstitious.

But going by its first dozen flights, there doesn't seem too much to worry about.
 

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What is really interesting... That the initial photos (which were released first) from that moment did not include anything in the sky. But then when the vids were released, which were confirmed to be original footage, there they are.

This is why some think NASA scrubbed them out on the photo but forgot to scrub them out on the video which was released afterwards.

What is funny is that this gets lost in some of the stupidity like the rock that people on youtube think is an animal. And even the story I linked leads with the rock story but then mentions the video/photo disparity.

There may well be a real explanation for all this. I'm sure something will be put out but it's kind of fascinating for those of us who inhale swamp gas and wear tinfoil hats. :part:


View: https://youtu.be/kX7iOqLd5Mw

I had to zoom the video in. I agree with @Selassie I , likely a satellite . Straight trajectory on the horizon.
 

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Wanted to share some stuff on this important milestone unfolding right in front of us. Once this device is set up and working we are going to be treated to some serious next-level looks further into our universe than ever before. Cannot say enough how excited I am about this thing, been tracking it since the launch and wanted to share the site:

 

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Awesome. I'm always interested to see more of our universe.
 

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This is going to be cool. Did I read 6 months until it is in position?
 

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This is going to be cool. Did I read 6 months until it is in position?
I think that is what they said recently on 69 minutes, yes. It has to go a million miles, then unfurl itself. Kinda like I wish Tom Brady would...
 

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This will be huge.

The brilliant minds working on this project, must be on pins and needles for the next few months.
 

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Another thing that is exciting about this is exoplanet study. Not only will it allow for finding more of them, but it will also boost analysis of their atmospheres.

I expect within the first couple years of this telescope's service we will discover planets like Earth (oxygen/nitrogen) as well as the first signs of life and maybe even stumble on to proof of alien civilizations.
 

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I think that is what they said recently on 69 minutes, yes. It has to go a million miles, then unfurl itself. Kinda like I wish Tom Brady would...
BTW- unfurl is such a weird world.
Nothing ever "furls". It only un-furls.
 

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thanks for posting the link @Merlin .. I'll be checking in on it every day
 

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Six months of setup basically. But I have a feeling the first two years of this telescope's life we're gonna get some of the biggest answers we've ever gotten. I'll bet we detect elements of life on other planets in fact rather quickly. Won't be the same as having a sample in your hand but it'll be proof via spectral analysis. And I can't wait to hear the sound of the scientific community scrambling to handle the curveballs that will inevitably upset some assumptions. :clinkingbeer: