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I actually think Goff had enough time to throw the ball but he held the ball too long. Maybe the Bears covered well or guys ran the wrong route but on most plays, Goff was just out of sync. I hope he gets back to speed soon.

It did look like there was some miscommunication. And then some downright stupid plays like when Reynolds caught it on third and 6 and decided not to take the easy yards.
 

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Exactly. I trust Snead and McVay to have a plan, but I really hope we get some guys, if they're on the roster already or not, who can play significant snaps throughout the season for the older guys on the line without a major drop off. That'll extend their careers, and help as the season goes. Plus it gives the younger guys really good experience.
It will be an interesting and challenging off season.
A lot needs to get done.
The Rams need improved depth across the board except for WR, RB and TE I would say.
I would expend two draft picks on OL this off season. Of course, DL, LB, S and CB need to be addressed as well.
I don't know if the Rams have the interest or ability to add a stout veteran ILB via free agency but that alone could go a long way.
The issue with subbing out OL during a game or week to week is the group needs to work together.
There is a team worm and rhythm to OL play.
Improving tbe depth should be a focus this offseason but the best five will play.
 

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It did look like there was some miscommunication. And then some downright stupid plays like when Reynolds caught it on third and 6 and decided not to take the easy yards.

There was another play where Woods caught a wide screen and then cut towards the middle of the field, taking 3 yards instead of possibly 15 or more...
...it was a bad night for all involved.
 

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There was another play where Woods caught a wide screen and then cut towards the middle of the field, taking 3 yards instead of possibly 15 or more...
...it was a bad night for all involved.
That was Reynolds. He also missed an easy 3 catch for 15 yards on third down I believe.
 

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That was Reynolds. He also missed an easy 3 catch for 15 yards on third down I believe.

No, Reynolds did that as well, but so did Woods, who is the last guy on I would expect to be off his game like that.
 

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Rams quarterback Jared Goff ready to come in from the cold
by Rich Hammond

https://www.pe.com/2018/12/10/rams-quarterback-jared-goff-ready-to-come-in-from-the-cold/

Some people bemoan the lack of winter weather in the southwestern United States. Rams quarterback Jared Goff probably isn’t among them, because the cold doesn’t seem to be his thing.

Goff got rocked and rattled by Chicago’s tenacious defense on Sunday night. Independent of the Bears, Goff didn’t look very good on his own. A third factor – the frigid temperature – also can’t be ignored.

In his three-year NFL career, Goff has now started five games with the kickoff temperature lower than 40 degrees. The Rams went 2-3 in those games and their offense failed to reach 30 points in any of them. Goff hit a new low Sunday, when he completed 20 of 44 attempts for 180 yards, no touchdowns and four interceptions.

“Nothing wrong with me,” Goff said. “I’ve just got to play better.”

Goff now has played two consecutive subpar games, and it’s certainly fair to note that the other one, at Detroit, was played in a dome. Goff’s issues, it seems, primarily have had to do with aggressive defensive fronts paired with linebackers and defensive backs who tightly cover and don’t allow yards after catches.

Perhaps that’s why Goff seemed to look physically uncomfortable on the sideline. It’s no fun getting hit and throwing interceptions. And perhaps the Bay Area native just isn’t a fan of freezing temperatures.

“I think if you said is it easier to throw it when it’s nice weather,” Coach Sean McVay said in his Monday news conference at Cal Lutheran, “in dry elements, different things like that, the ball doesn’t feel (awkward) in your hand when you catch it or when you’re throwing it –- I think that definitely does play a factor in just the efficiency at which you’re able to throw the football, but I don’t think that affected him.”

Sunday’s game at Chicago kicked off with a temperature of 29 degrees and certainly didn’t get warmer, and neither did Goff, who had his lowest passing-yard total and completion percentage of the season.

In those five sub-40 games, Goff has a completion percentage of 49.7, compared to 63.7 in his other 30 games. In fairness to Goff, toss out the two games that were played in his 2016 rookie season, when the Rams had a dismal offense. Goff played poorly that year in frigid losses at Seattle and New England.

Last season, Goff played one cold-weather game, in December at Tennessee (39 degrees at kickoff). He played well, as he completed 22 of 38 attempts for 301 yards, four touchdowns and no interceptions. The Rams scored 27 points that day and clinched the NFC West title.

By all reasonable measures, both statistically and anecdotally, two of Goff’s three worst games this season have been in the cold. In Denver in October (25 degrees), Goff completed only 14 of 28 attempts for 201 yards, with zero touchdowns and one interception.

Goff wore a glove on his throwing hand that day, but eschewed it in Chicago, even though the kickoff temperature was only four degrees higher. Goff’s quarterback rating of 19.1 was by far the lowest of his career. As a rookie, Goff had a 35.1 rating in a late-season loss to San Francisco.

The good news for the Rams is, their chances of having to play another cold-weather game this season seem slim. The Rams finish with home games against Philadelphia and San Francisco, sandwiched between a game at Arizona.

 

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https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/11/nfl-rams-jared-goff-offensive-line-stats/

Rams offensive line has done very little to help Jared Goff in recent weeks
By: Cameron DaSilva

Jared Goff looked like a legitimate MVP candidate for much of the season. Before the Los Angeles Rams’ bye in Week 12, he had 3,547 yards, 26 touchdowns and just six interceptions, ranking among the league leaders in every relevant passing statistic.

Since then, he’s been shaky. Against the Lions and Bears in the last two weeks, Goff had just 387 yards, one touchdown, five interceptions and is completing only 48.1 percent of his passes – down nearly 20 percent from his first 11 games.

His passer rating has plummeted and he has almost no chance to win NFL MVP after a disastrous outing in Chicago and a poor one in Detroit. It’s not all his fault, though. His offensive line has given him very little help lately and ranks among the league’s worst units in the past four weeks.

Check out this stat from Pro Football Focus:


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The offensive line was outstanding in the first 10 weeks of the season, but it’s taken a significant step back recently. That’s not to say it’s been terrible opening up running lanes for Todd Gurley. It hasn’t, but the Rams have also only given Gurley 46 carries in the last three games.

Where the line’s struggles have come is in pass protection. Compare the stats from the first 10 games to those from the last three against the Chiefs, Lions and Bears.

  • Last three games: 18 QB hits (6.0 per game), 10 sacks (3.3 per game)
  • First 10 games: 42 QB hits (4.2 per game), 19 sacks (1.9 per game)
In two of the last three games, Goff has been hit seven times and been sacked at least three times. Against the Lions, he was only hit four times, but Detroit still got to him for two sacks.

Some of those plays are on Goff for not getting rid of the ball quick enough or not sensing the pressure, but it’s impossible to deny the fact that the offensive line has regressed in recent weeks. And it’s not as if the unit’s suffered a major injury or anything to that effect.

With the Eagles coming up on Sunday, the pass protection must improve. They have a relentless pass rush with a familiar face in Michael Bennett, as well as Fletcher Cox inside. This is a very winnable game for the Rams, one they truly shouldn’t lose. However, one way to get upset by Philadelphia is to allow several sacks and fail to protect Goff.
 

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https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2018/12/11/nfl-rams-jared-goff-offensive-line-stats/

Rams offensive line has done very little to help Jared Goff in recent weeks
By: Cameron DaSilva

Jared Goff looked like a legitimate MVP candidate for much of the season. Before the Los Angeles Rams’ bye in Week 12, he had 3,547 yards, 26 touchdowns and just six interceptions, ranking among the league leaders in every relevant passing statistic.

Since then, he’s been shaky. Against the Lions and Bears in the last two weeks, Goff had just 387 yards, one touchdown, five interceptions and is completing only 48.1 percent of his passes – down nearly 20 percent from his first 11 games.

His passer rating has plummeted and he has almost no chance to win NFL MVP after a disastrous outing in Chicago and a poor one in Detroit. It’s not all his fault, though. His offensive line has given him very little help lately and ranks among the league’s worst units in the past four weeks.

Check out this stat from Pro Football Focus:


View: https://twitter.com/PFF_Zoltan/status/1072216507822821376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1072216507822821376&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheramswire.usatoday.com%2F2018%2F12%2F11%2Fnfl-rams-jared-goff-offensive-line-stats%2F

The offensive line was outstanding in the first 10 weeks of the season, but it’s taken a significant step back recently. That’s not to say it’s been terrible opening up running lanes for Todd Gurley. It hasn’t, but the Rams have also only given Gurley 46 carries in the last three games.

Where the line’s struggles have come is in pass protection. Compare the stats from the first 10 games to those from the last three against the Chiefs, Lions and Bears.

  • Last three games: 18 QB hits (6.0 per game), 10 sacks (3.3 per game)
  • First 10 games: 42 QB hits (4.2 per game), 19 sacks (1.9 per game)
In two of the last three games, Goff has been hit seven times and been sacked at least three times. Against the Lions, he was only hit four times, but Detroit still got to him for two sacks.

Some of those plays are on Goff for not getting rid of the ball quick enough or not sensing the pressure, but it’s impossible to deny the fact that the offensive line has regressed in recent weeks. And it’s not as if the unit’s suffered a major injury or anything to that effect.

With the Eagles coming up on Sunday, the pass protection must improve. They have a relentless pass rush with a familiar face in Michael Bennett, as well as Fletcher Cox inside. This is a very winnable game for the Rams, one they truly shouldn’t lose. However, one way to get upset by Philadelphia is to allow several sacks and fail to protect Goff.

I was wondering when this Aging OL would start to wear down. McVay will needs to make some serious changes in his aggressiveness & quick leaning tendencies to go with the pass. The only time we heard the other two RB's names called was when Kelly was called for the block in the back on ST's that set the Rams offense back near the goal line when the Bears got Goff for a safety.

Rams really need to see what they have in Noteboom & Allen now. If that means going with a now winning Seattle run heavy type offense so be it. It's been 23 days now since the Rams showed any offensive & began this declining downward trend in this offense. If these 2 rookie Ol'ers don't have what it takes then this next draft is sure needs to go heavy OLin the draft. Saffold has not looked good either in the Lions or Bears game either.
 

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I don't know if goffs throwing motion has changed. maybe he has always thrown with a motion that starts with him bring the ball back at almost hip level. this could be his normal motion and i just noticed it but shouldn't it be more at shoulder high. maybe someone that has early games recorded could look at this.
 

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I don't know if goffs throwing motion has changed. maybe he has always thrown with a motion that starts with him bring the ball back at almost hip level. this could be his normal motion and i just noticed it but shouldn't it be more at shoulder high. maybe someone that has early games recorded could look at this.

The coaching staff, especially the QB coach, should have picked up on that by now and corrected it.

I was wondering when this Aging OL would start to wear down. McVay will needs to make some serious changes in his aggressiveness & quick leaning tendencies to go with the pass. The only time we heard the other two RB's names called was when Kelly was called for the block in the back on ST's that set the Rams offense back near the goal line when the Bears got Goff for a safety.

Rams really need to see what they have in Noteboom & Allen now. If that means going with a now winning Seattle run heavy type offense so be it. It's been 23 days now since the Rams showed any offensive & began this declining downward trend in this offense. If these 2 rookie Ol'ers don't have what it takes then this next draft is sure needs to go heavy OLin the draft. Saffold has not looked good either in the Lions or Bears game either.

As others have mentioned, pass blocking on a majority of plays can wear down an O-line, while run blocking puts an O-line on the offensive. Just look at how a run-centric game plan has transformed a sub-par O-line like the Seahawks.
 

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I said during the offseason that the O-line was my biggest concern.
That Sully and Whit are being held together with scotch tape and no practice.
Our struggles at the end of the season suggested our lines age was catching up.

I caught some flack for questioning how much the old guys have left.
 

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The coaching staff, especially the QB coach, should have picked up on that by now and corrected i



As others have mentioned, pass blocking on a majority of plays can wear down an O-line, while run blocking puts an O-line on the offensive. Just look at how a run-centric game plan has transformed a sub-par O-line like the Seahawks.

Haven't paid that close of attention, but that would certainly reduce velocity and cause the ball to sail!
 

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The Bears D is legit. But our line was #1 in a lot of areas until this past week.
That said, this week will tell a lot. A 3rd straight week of bad play should set off severe alarms.
 

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I don't think it's a cold weather thing with Goff. I think he still needs work reading defenses and seeing where the pressure comes from...and he needs to be more willing to use his mobility.

He's a pocket passer and there's nothing wrong with that...but get on the move when you see the need to.

Teams are learning how to defend this offense and I think Goff and McVay are gonna have to adjust.
 

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Is 2018 Los Angeles Rams QB Jared Goff the finished product?
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https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2018/...-bears-finished-product-potential-development

Premature whispers that the Rams’ franchise QB is essentially a finished product that can no longer blame a bad game on growing pains are getting louder.
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Observers so far been extremely uncomfortable going all-in on Los Angeles Rams QB Jared Goff. So after his worst game in a long while as a Ram, Goff fed the developing narrative that he can’t play in the cold. And before that, it was that he can’t play well under bad coaching.


Not sure what’s more damning, but does it really matter?Jared Goff played poorly in both cold away games in Denver and in Chicago where the temperature hovered around 25 degrees. Against the Denver Broncos, Goff had a 50% completion percentage with 201 passing yards, no touchdowns and one interception. Against the Chicago Bears, it was more like a frosty nightmare: 180 passing yards, 45.5%, no touchdowns and four interceptions.

So hello, narrative. Goff has tiny cold hands and won’t be able to play outside in December outside of SoCal.
"Jared Goff was absolutely befuddled. But he wasn't befuddled by the Bears' defense, it was the artic air of Chicago. The 12th man of the frozen tundra of Soldier Field."
@BenMallerhttps://t.co/LvwEOMPtZt
— FOX Sports Radio (@FoxSportsRadio) December 10, 2018
Responding to questions about Goff’s poor play being blamed on the cold, Coach Sean McVay said this:

“I don’t think that affected him. I think, again, there were some great throws that he made in that game yesterday and then there were certainly a handful of situations where he was put in tough spots.”

And that leads to a question. If the poor play isn’t a product of some “cold weather flaw” that is embedded in Goff’s makeup as a QB, then what’s the deal with his on-and-off struggles this season? Is Goff still growing and this recent effort in Chicago is just a learning experience, or this the real Jared that we should just accept from time to time? Will we be seeing similar fluctuations in performance five years from now?

Until now, it seemed that any criticism of Goff seemed reactionary, but at some point a player stops maturing and getting better and just is the kind of player they’ll always be. With a guy like Goff, I would have thought that he had another season before I could say with certainty if his ceiling has been hit.

It’s strange that even though he’s the son of Jerry Goff, a former Major League Baseball player, Goff still has this whiff of an underdog — an otherwise successful talent that has been dogged by intermittent misfortune. Even his reputation as a collegiate player for Cal revolved around his adversity that he showed after getting his ass handed to him during this freshman year going 1-11, yet still throwing for over 3,500 yards. His seven games as rookie under Jeff Fisher still lingers in the air, mixing with the reality that Goff leads a team that is currently 11-2.

Since the Bears loss was on the national stage, the narrative that Jared Goff struggled mightily against strong defenses on the road is going to be an easy take, and why not? Even if the Los Angeles Rams hold home field advantage throughout the playoffs and win the Super Bowl, the offseason think pieces are still going to wonder if Jared Goff can keep the magic going on the road, in the cold, against a strong defense.Eventually, our 24-year-old QB is going to find himself in an NFC championship game in Green Bay or Chicago and until then...The book on Jared Goff remains unfinished.
 

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(Despite his poor play on Sunday night, the Bears didn’t lose to the Rams, and it was because as bad as Trubisky played, Jared Goff played worse. Credit the Bears defense, but the Rams quarterback looked like he had zero interest in being in the cold. Goff never engaged with his teammates, and when the defense was on the field, Goff was bundled up with a ski cap on his head sitting near the heaters. Rams head coach Sean McVay can deflect all the blame and take responsibility for Goff playing poorly, but the cold weather bothers Goff. Going into the game, Goff, a California kid, was involved in just four games below 40 degrees, and his statistics were awful. 51% completion percentage, 6.49 YPA, 5 TDS, 3 INT, sacked 14 times and a 75.2 quarterback rating. It’s a good thing the Rams won’t have to play in the cold during the playoffs.

The more significant issue for the Rams to ponder and eventually answer: Is Goff a franchise quarterback worthy of a massive $30 million a year contract? I’m sold on McVay, but not Goff. Overall with McVay, Goff is 22-7 as a starter, counting the playoffs for the Rams, and has thrown 56 touchdown passes and 18 interceptions. However, the more I watch Goff when he has to deal with pressure inside, or when he has to play fast with bodies all around him, or without Todd Gurley running the ball, the more I fall in love with McVay’s ability to design an offense and provide easy wide open throws for Goff to execute. Each time I watch the Rams I say that I bet McVay can get anyone to make these throws. Last week I was talking to a former NFL quarterback who is still in great shape and said, “You could have a 300-yard game passing right now if McVay were your coach. He laughed and said, “You’re right.”

Last year in the playoffs, Goff ranked as the worst quarterback according to ESPN’s QBR rating with his play against the Falcons. After that game, McVay once again took the heat, deflecting the blame away from Goff, believing he did not have a great plan. Plan or no plan, Goff did not play well in the Falcons game or in Sunday night’s loss.

McVay might be right when he says he did not have a good plan against the Bears. His offense is not about Goff, its all about Todd Gurley and when Gurley is not going, the Rams usually don’t go. During McVay’s tenure with the Rams, his team is undefeated when Gurley touches the ball 17 times or more. When he touches the ball fewer than 17 times, they are 5-7. Last night he only carried the ball 11 times (a loss), against the Chiefs 12 (a dramatic win) and the Saints 13 (a loss). With the one major exception being that Rams-Chiefs barnburner, Gurley has been the straw that stirs the drink in the Rams’ offense. When McVay puts the ball in Goff’s hand more than Gurley, he usually at least runs the risk of losing.

It’s been a wildly successful season for the Rams, particularly on offense, and they still only have two losses. It’s very easy to believe that Goff needs to be well-paid as a result, but as an executive, you must be honest and objective. Goff’s last two performances are reason for at least a bit of hesitation moving forward. The upcoming playoffs will offer a much better indication of whether Goff is a superstar on his own or if McVay has made Goff better than we all believe. The Rams coach is a difference maker and definitely deserves a new and massive contract, but I will wait until the playoff run is over before I declare Goff worthy of being the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. For all the great games Goff has played in September and October, the games in December and January against great defenses will be the real measuring stick when it comes time to be compensated.)
 

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"Each time I watch the Rams I say that I bet McVay can get anyone to make these throws." ~ Michael Lombardi

He is a fukking idiot. Goff hasn't played well in 3 or 4 games this year, notably in two of which were in cold weather, so that's fair to state. But to say you could get any QB to throw some of the throws I've seen Goff complete this year, means that Lombardi is a Goff hater or is the most ignorant fukk ever to wield a pen.
 

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"Each time I watch the Rams I say that I bet McVay can get anyone to make these throws." ~ Michael Lombardi

He is a fukking idiot. Goff hasn't played well in 3 or 4 games this year, notably in two of which were in cold weather, so that's fair to state. But to say you could get any QB to throw some of the throws I've seen Goff complete this year, means that Lombardi is a Goff hater or is the most ignorant fukk ever to wield a pen.
Hey Loyal. Not a big deal but we try to encourage people not to misspell curse words. Some on here have the filter on so that it changes the curse word to something less offensive to them. I don't of course.:sneaky: But we try to be respectful to those who do. Like I said, not a big deal - but we have the filter there as an option for a reason. Thanks man.
 

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Rams head coach Sean McVay can deflect all the blame and take responsibility for Goff playing poorly, but the cold weather bothers Goff. Going into the game, Goff, a California kid, was involved in just four games below 40 degrees, and his statistics were awful. 51% completion percentage, 6.49 YPA, 5 TDS, 3 INT, sacked 14 times and a 75.2 quarterback rating. It’s a good thing the Rams won’t have to play in the cold during the playoffs.
Its hard to throw a football in (23°F -) with tiny hands-(Goff's hands officially measure 8 13/16 inches, according to evaluations performed at the combine. By comparison, North Dakota State's the hands of Carson Wentz, largely considered to be Goff's primary competition for the first quarterback taken in the draft, measured in at 10 inches.)

 
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