So let's stop beating around the bush...

[Riverumbbq]

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I love beating around the Bush.

Especially with my mouth and tongue.

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Phrase is no longer relevant as those 'bushes' you speak of are a waxed history.

 

[SteezyEndo]

OL was an obvious failure especially if we knew our QB cannot operate properly without an OL. Saffold was an integral part of it. Damn shame we let big Roger go.

 

[HE WITH HORNS]

You cant keep everybody. Its just the way it is.

Normally, you just draft their replacements, but this team likes to trade away all our 1st round picks.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Normally, you just draft their replacements, but this team likes to trade away all our 1st round picks.

For pro bowl players.
The guys we've traded picks for, are the caliber you only hope to get in the draft.

I get that the draft is exiting, but many just dont work out.
I dont see a problem in traded picks for proven talent.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Phrase is no longer relevant as those 'bushes' you speak of are a waxed history.

Thank goodness for that. I like the little shrub they leave behind.

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[HE WITH HORNS]

For pro bowl players.
The guys we've traded picks for, are the caliber you only hope to get in the draft.

I get that the draft is exiting, but many just dont work out.
I dont see a problem in traded picks for proven talent.

When you have to extend their contract the very next season, for 20 million a year, that is very harmful to being able to keep other players. 1st round picks are cheap for several years if they are good.

 

[kurtfaulk]

if

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[Dodgersrf]

When you have to extend their contract the very next season, for 20 million a year, that is very harmful to being able to keep other players. 1st round picks are cheap for several years if they are good.

Sometimes, yes.
In most cases, it still takes a couple years for them to catch on.

It is nice when they do, though.
It's just not something that can be counted on.
There are no guarantees with draft picks.

 

[8to12]

You make it so Black & white .... as if the entire offseason came down to a decision of signing one or the other. Because they kept Fowler, you think that means they decided not to offer Saffold? How do we as fans even know that? Maybe they had already decided to move on from Saffold? Personally, at the time, I thought they should've signed Saffold. But now a year later, I think the decision to keep Fowler, and go with younger lineman was a better decision for the future.

 

[Merlin]

Ok so I googled beating around the bush and this came up.....

I mean this must be a vacation thing idk...

 

[OldSchool]

Normally, you just draft their replacements, but this team likes to trade away all our 1st round picks.

Today I learned you can only replace players in the 1st round.

 

[Riverumbbq]

You make it so Black & white .... as if the entire offseason came down to a decision of signing one or the other. Because they kept Fowler, you think that means they decided not to offer Saffold? How do we as fans even know that? Maybe they had already decided to move on from Saffold? Personally, at the time, I thought they should've signed Saffold. But now a year later, I think the decision to keep Fowler, and go with younger lineman was a better decision for the future.

During similar discussions in the past, I have always preferred the option of retaining both Saffold & Fowler and trading Brockers. Saffold signed a 4 year $44.mil contract and Brockers CAP hit in 2019 was $10,750.mil, and that was after one of his worst years statistically as a Ram in 2018. Trading Brockers last year would have brought another draft pick, now he's lost to free agency.
jmo.

 

[OldSchool]

Trading Brockers last year would have brought another draft pick, now he's lost to free agency.
jmo.

Assuming you could have found a team to give a pick for him at the cap hit and we don't get any kind of comp pick next year for him. Plus a lot of people would have complained we cut a lifelong Ram player, not saying you but we all know those comments would have come up.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Assuming you could have found a team to give a pick for him at the cap hit and we don't get any kind of comp pick next year for him. Plus a lot of people would have complained we cut a lifelong Ram player, not saying you but we all know those comments would have come up.

I think even last year there were plenty of Rams fans who believed Brockers was out of place in Wade's 3-4 as a 5T. He may yet get an opportunity to revive his career as a 3T in a 4-3, at least that's what i'm hoping to see for him.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

You cant keep everybody. Its just the way it is.

as it turned out, they could have kept both. Scaffold signed for much less than expected. He even said he wanted to stay in LA and would work with the Rams to make it happen. They just let him go in favor of Noteboom. Dumb. And for what? A player they'd keep for a year?

 

[Paydirt]

no, but Weddle ......... Malcom Brown...... Bortles...... Matthews Jr ......and Everett were all horse shit signings, that were no nowhere near the priority of offensive line

 

[kurtfaulk]

no, but Weddle ......... Malcom Brown...... Bortles...... Matthews Jr ......and Everett were all horse shit signings, that were no nowhere near the priority of offensive line

They lost Joyner, so weddle.
Gurley needs a back up, so brown.
They need a back up qb, so bortles.
They always need a pass rush, so Matthews.
Everett is on his rookie deal. Do you mean higbee? Did you see the way he finished the year?

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[Juice]

I voted yes realizing that hindsight is 20/20. I didn't like the fact that we let Saffold go, and I thought it was a mistake. I didn't know how big of a mistake until the season started and the injuries happened. Fowler is a good player though, and I think we are going to miss him too.

 

[FrantikRam]

You make it so Black & white .... as if the entire offseason came down to a decision of signing one or the other. Because they kept Fowler, you think that means they decided not to offer Saffold? How do we as fans even know that? Maybe they had already decided to move on from Saffold? Personally, at the time, I thought they should've signed Saffold. But now a year later, I think the decision to keep Fowler, and go with younger lineman was a better decision for the future.

It was pretty black and white. I love McVay. But look at what our resources were used on:

Fowler
Weddle
Matthews (at the cost of a comp pick for Saffold)

Could have saved money by cutting or moving Brockers, but we didn't

I said Fowler over Saffold, but it was really:

Fowler over Saffold

Weddle and Matthews over Saffold (and a future comp pick)

Keeping Brockers over keeping Saffold at the same price

Last off season we made trades to acquire Peters and Talib. Then midseason we traded for Ramsey.





No wonder McVay didn't want to retain Philips - he bent over backward getting him the personnel and couldn't field a dominant defense. It's mind boggling when you break it down that way.

 

[iamme33]

For pro bowl players.
The guys we've traded picks for, are the caliber you only hope to get in the draft.

I get that the draft is exiting, but many just dont work out.
I dont see a problem in traded picks for proven talent.

it is true that first round picks may not work out but the odds of them working out are better then the later rnd picks. also the 5th year option for ist rounders is very important. a lot of picks take 2 or 3 years to get up to speed so if they do you need to get them signed to a long term deal because if they get to their contract year it gives them extra leverage. getting back to first rounders not working out it is true that many don't but it is not guaranteed that the player traded for won't have an injury or won't get a big pay day and never play as well or even have legal problems. admittedly there is less chance of a proven player not working out so it kind of depends on how much the trade cost. so lets look at what we paid for ramesy. if we had not traded peters and just let him go this off season we could have gotten a 3rd rnd comp pick so ramesy cost us 2 1st rnd 1 3rd and 1 4th rnd pick. we won't really know what his signing will cost us in players we can't keep for cap reasons but I would think it would be 2 players. to me we just gave to much for ramesy especially considering I think this was done because wade wanted a man to man player and now he is gone. I know that there are a lot of peaple here who think we made a great deal but I don't. I guess we won't know for several years then you all can come back and say I told you so. over and out