I saw Rochelle make a really nice play late in the game when he stepped in front of the receiver 15 yards down field to knock the ball away. Our corners are better in man than zone. Why is Morris having so much trouble seeing this?
Should we make a trade?
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He seems to not have the touch, as Staley did. It's like he's trying to force them into his scheme.
If you like to think about realistic trade possibilities, it makes sense to look at rebuilding / teams, or players that are unlikely to be retained beyond the current season.
I was really high on C.J. Henderson, and thought Carolina made a terrific trade.
I was really high on C.J. Henderson, and thought Carolina made a terrific trade.
A really smart coach adapts the scheme to fit his players not the other way around.
99Balloons
Pro Bowler
No traded needed. Rams need a different DC. Morris needs to change and adapt. Because having the DBs and LBs give huge spaces for opposing RBs, WRs and TEs easy open lanes to run through, Rams will not go to the playoffs or SB. When the defense is giving huge chunks of yards, it won’t matter if you have two HOF defensive players at their best when opposing offenses are dictating your defense at will with your players playing out of position.
Ramsey's potential is not being maximized, as demonstrated by Thursday's game.
bluecoconuts
Legend
Trade bait for what, a late round pick? Most of these guys aren't going to get much value, especially not a starting calibre player, likely nobody to be a major upgrade at CB without losing more than we're gaining.
Long isn't a scheme fit, maybe if they keep him inside they can protect him from some of the weaknesses, but allowing him to match up against players who the entire league can outmatch him is a coaching error more than anything. Similar with Rapp, he's being used wrong more than anything. Regardless none of the other guys would fetch more than a late round pick, if that, other than maybe Robinson, and I really don't see any reason to get rid of him, especially without anybody really to slot into his spot.
bluecoconuts
Legend
Not have him play 10 to 15 yards off of D.K. Metcalf.
Loved listening to the Jourdan Rodrigue rant on Ramsey and how he's being used.
People who think you stick a guy like him on the other team's number one and that's it may also be people who think you "have to establish the run" to win in the NFL.
You make it easier for an offense if you stay static in your fronts and coverages, that's why "multiple" has been the biggest NFL buzzword for the past few years.
It's not about Ramsey and how he is or isn't' being used.. it's about pretty much everything else around him.
The safeties got to do better and the other corners have to do better.
Morris probably has to do better, but I'm not sure how much of that is in coming up with a scheme as it is communicating what he wants and needs from his guys.
The good news is that we know he's not obstinate... his move to Rochelle was quick and decisive.
Let's hope Williams ain't down long.
People who think you stick a guy like him on the other team's number one and that's it may also be people who think you "have to establish the run" to win in the NFL.
You make it easier for an offense if you stay static in your fronts and coverages, that's why "multiple" has been the biggest NFL buzzword for the past few years.
It's not about Ramsey and how he is or isn't' being used.. it's about pretty much everything else around him.
The safeties got to do better and the other corners have to do better.
Morris probably has to do better, but I'm not sure how much of that is in coming up with a scheme as it is communicating what he wants and needs from his guys.
The good news is that we know he's not obstinate... his move to Rochelle was quick and decisive.
Let's hope Williams ain't down long.
bluecoconuts
Legend
I agree. Rams gotta stop giving up 6,7,8,9 yards of first down. Hard to win game when you let the opponent have 2nd and short every time.
Although I've heard this message being repeated here a few times by a couple of posters, not sure I'm willing to buy into it just yet. The first 4 games brought a lot of deserved criticism for David Long and how Morris was utilizing him, and this scrutiny may have finally caught up to Morris, so I'm not quite ready to allow that he is 100% responsible for making the change, although however it was accomplished, I'm happy it was done, ... but I'm not really qualifying it as 'quick and decisive'.
I don't know if Morris' continuation for playing his DB's in zone and so far off opposing receivers is being obstinate, or whether Burgess' inability to get on the field remains a health issue or is something else, or why JuJu & Scott get little playing time as Rapp appears so often as misused, ... it would be great to have a better understanding.
With the Giants, Lions & Texans coming up, hopefully we'll get an opportunity to see something a bit different.
jmo.
Yea I get why McVay wanted Morris to try and keep Staley's scheme, but it was overly optimistic. Its like losing an all pro player, and asking his replacement to try and do things the exact same way. When will that ever work? Why would a lesser talented player who's used to doing things their own way be forced to change their technique and philosophy for the sake of continuity? Morris doesn't have the defensive mind Staley does, and he seems to be a worse play caller too.
Time for McVay to end this experiment. IMO we need to adapt more to Morris' natural tendencies and play less cover 4, more cover 2 and man defense. Our secondary looks too bad for this to continue. And we will have no shot to beat the Packers, Cardinals, Chiefs, Bills will our secondary playing this awful. Time for Burgess to start at safety the next few weeks as well.
“Turbo set!”
Pro Bowler
The defense is fine when the offense plays well. That is our path to the Super Bowl.
There isn't any player we can acquire to make a significant difference with how the defense plays.
There isn't any player we can acquire to make a significant difference with how the defense plays.
Couldn't agree more. Morris seems like he is trying to reinvent the wheel. He wants to put his stamp on this defense especially with this new Ramsey role.
He definitely has put a stamp on it as terrible but your absolutely right it's not the players it's the scheme. It's not the same they can keep saying that but it isn't.
Just go back to putting your all Pro corners on the other teams best two receivers and worry about Long and Rochelle on 3rd wideout. Now with a team like Tampa we still would have issues the thing is regardless of schemes if the qb looks at Metcalf then Lockett and they covered your making the qb take more time (football 101) allowing us to get home for a sack pressure fumble or a mistake.
To me the whole key besides some missed tackling is this Ramsey crap. You want to look like a genius do it against teams that don't have excellent wide receivers 3+ or super mobile qbs like Murray or Wilson etc. then let Ramsey float if that's your brilliant plan against those weaker teams.
I know most of us in here know football and I'm not saying putting Ramsey back where he belongs fixes everything. You may still need a corner because the young guys aren't ready or are horrible.
That said I think for reasons mentioned above it helps solidify everyone knows good coverage gets you good results up front and vice versa. Ramsey as a 20 million dollar safety/linebacker/CB is not working and a waste of his talents.
McVey needs to speak up once you settle that aspect you can see if you need another corner via trade etc.
Only way this would have been okay and I'm not ok with this Ramsey role at all but would of been better is if you were able to get Gilmore then it's a luxury but realistically I still wouldn't want that. I'd want Gilmore outside as well as Ramsey and DWill inside. We didn't or couldn't do it so moot point but please stop with this Ramsey experiment.
Yeah... I think giving a new starter a few games to see what he has is normal.
I'm also happy to say it's likely that Rochelle benefitted from a few games of limited exposure and learning.
I love Jourdan but I for the first time ever disagree whole heartedly with her. Say that to Staley. Seems he used Ramsey perfectly. We lost JJ who I loved and Hill not Ronnie Lott and Daryl Green!!! Morris just watch the tapes from last year damn it!!!!!
I agree. I think the only thing that caused a change was a loss. Waiting until have 5 to make a change that seemed obvious prior to game 3 isn't what I'd call "quick and decisive" either. There's something to be said for staying the course if we're winning, but I'm always in favor of looking at how we improve. Other teams are always looking to improve against us, so if you aren't trying to move forward you're headed backward.
This makes me wonder how much attention you paid last year because Staley invented the Star position and was using Ramsey there last year. It was talked about last year. It was taken about on preseason how we were continuing to use it as a carry over from last year. I forget the exact number, but it was something like 20% of the time Ramsey was in Star last year. The major difference is that this year he's there over 50% of the time. There was an article on this about a week ago.