Should the Rams explore moving Van Jefferson?

[Riverumbbq]

You smoking weed or something? You're making absolutely no sense. You trade a player, you expect equal or better value in return. If that doesnt make sense to you I dont know the point of discussing.
As for the WR crew, newsflash, they dont need Jefferson traded to increase their value/playing time/stats. Its a red herring move. They each have their roles and will play based on what they offer, regardless of who's on the field.
Now the 5th or 6th rounder who is exactly replacing the inexpensive, highly productive player? Yes the value comparison is on point.

B.S.
The Rams are a team filled with depth holes, trading a player for a draft pick that clearly fills a hole elsewhere will hopefully be no less than a sideways move and perhaps improves our overall situation.
Until you actually tell us what you believe is the draft value of Van Jefferson, then this conversation is going nowhere. You keep bringing up a 5'th/6'th round pick, is this your value for him, because I wouldn't trade him for that. What I would do is enhance his trade value by also offering a 2024 mid-round draft pick to increase his relative worth. jmo.

 

[Corbin]

LOL
Just because I have an opinion which is different from the majority here doesn't mean that I can't walk and chew gum at the same time. And remember, it's just one opinion among the many. I don't know what is going on inside McSnead's head any more than anyone here, I'm just offering up what has turned out to be an unpopular idea to hopefully get us a 4'th round pick. To the likely relief of many, I have no expectations of our team following up with my idea, it was just an expressed opinion.
You are the guy who made the bold statement and then failed to back it up, so I'll have to assume your 'proof' doesn't exist.

Really? Is that how it works? You post on an internet fan page and that means it’s not law, occurring, or is currently happening? You post opinions on a fan message board?

Well shit thank you for telling me how this works, I guess I should start posting things like IMO, IMHO, JMO because nobody would know it’s my opinion without actually typing that in my sentence.

It’s unpopular because it’s not realistic with what has unfolded in past months, but hey I posted unpopular opinions about our players being traded and let go months ago and it was unpopular so who knows, maybe you’re right.

 

[Riverumbbq]

Don't include me in that group. I just got off the phone with him....so I know.

PARAM posting from his rubber room .. .

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[dieterbrock]

B.S.

The Rams are a team filled with depth holes, trading a player for a draft pick that clearly fills a hole elsewhere will hopefully be no less than a sideways move and perhaps improves our overall situation.
Until you actually tell us what you believe is the draft value of Van Jefferson, then this conversation is going nowhere. You keep bringing up a 5'th/6'th round pick, is this your value for him, because I wouldn't trade him for that. What I would do is enhance his trade value by also offering a 2024 mid-round draft pick to increase his relative worth. jmo.

So now we're moving the goal posts? I keep bringing up the value which posters have suggested, over and over in mocks and other places. Heck make it a 4th to 6th round pick and the point is the same. You trade a player, you are expecting a value add, hence why a team would trade a pick for him. That's how it works right? Of course it is. So you trade a cheap, productive player, you better damn well be getting better value in return

And btw,
The VJ effect...
1st 6 games while VJ sidelined
Skow 1st 6 game 29 tgt, 4.8 per game
Powell 1st 6 game 10 tgt, 1.7 per game
Tutu 1st 6 game 4 tgt, .7 per game
Last 6 games of the year? With VJ on the field?
Skow 30 targets, 5 per game- (including just 3 in his last game which he left early due to injury)
Powell 16 targets, 2.7 per game
Tutu 28 targets, 4/7 per game

 

[Riverumbbq]

B.S.

So now we're moving the goal posts? I keep bringing up the value which posters have suggested, over and over in mocks and other places. Heck make it a 4th to 6th round pick and the point is the same. You trade a player, you are expecting a value add, hence why a team would trade a pick for him. That's how it works right? Of course it is. So you trade a cheap, productive player, you better damn well be getting better value in return

And btw,
The VJ effect...
1st 6 games while VJ sidelined
Skow 1st 6 game 29 tgt, 4.8 per game
Powell 1st 6 game 10 tgt, 1.7 per game
Tutu 1st 6 game 4 tgt, .7 per game
Last 6 games of the year? With VJ on the field?
Skow 30 targets, 5 per game- (including just 3 in his last game which he left early due to injury)
Powell 16 targets, 2.7 per game
Tutu 28 targets, 4/7 per game

Your'e the one obfuscating, no goal posts have been moved. I've been explaining my position for ages. The Rams are currently deep at WR and I suspect we'll add to that somewhere in the draft. The Rams have more issues at other positions, it's as simple as that.

Your stats are comparing apples to oranges, you took Van Jeff's combined 3 years and are picking and choosing which stats Skow, Atwell & Powell provided over the same 3 years.

Look, I get it, you don't like my trade idea, ... tough shit, it's only an opinion that's not likely to come about anyway. If you believe you can change my opinion with the B.S. answer you have provided, ... you haven't. I would trade both Higbee & Van Jefferson for the right value deal, if it doesn't happen then I'll thank them for their service following the season as they head off to free agency.

The last word is all yours, I'm done with you on this.

 

[PARAM]

The Rams are currently deep at WR and I suspect we'll add to that somewhere in the draft.

Deep?
Kupp, Robinson, Jefferson, Atwell, Skowronek. You mean that depth? 5 guys? One who hasn't yet established himself as a legit weapon? Who else is on the roster who has made a decent contribution to the offense? Trammel (6 GP, 2 rec - 13 yds) and McCutcheon (10 GP, 0 rec - 0 yds) are part of that depth? In what world? You bet your ass we're gonna draft a WR. Why? Because we don't have enough depth. So the suggestion is, "let's get rid of a WR"? For a 6th or 7th round pick so we can draft a long snapper or a PK? Because that's your best bet to immediately fill a position of need that late in the draft .

 

[dieterbrock]

Your'e the one obfuscating, no goal posts have been moved. I've been explaining my position for ages. The Rams are currently deep at WR and I suspect we'll add to that somewhere in the draft. The Rams have more issues at other positions, it's as simple as that.

I've literally said the same thing over and over. Whatever you trade Van for, better replace/exceed his value. Simply filling a hole does not check that box, that player needs to be a top 40 player at his position. Awfully big ask. What will you change the subject to next?

Look, I get it, you don't like my trade idea, ... tough shit, it's only an opinion that's not likely to come about anyway.

Actually, I didnt quote you, you started this "conversation" by quoting me. So, the reality here is you are the one arguing with my point. And if you dont like the reality of it, tough shit as you say

 

[Memento]

Absolutely, they should. Jefferson's in his contract year, and he's not projected to start; I'd put Skowronek far above Jefferson, and then there's Kupp and Robinson to consider, even though I'm tempted to trade Robinson as well. And then you have Atwell and a likely draft pick (or maybe even Jacob Harris to consider if we re-sign him) as options.

I know you may not get much, but it's better than losing him for nothing or having him sit the entire season except on certain downs.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I'd put Skowronek far above Jefferson

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[Memento]

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I'm serious. Skowronek was one of our few bright spots last season. Jefferson was not.

 

[Merlin]

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[Riverumbbq]

I'm serious. Skowronek was one of our few bright spots last season. Jefferson was not.

I'm amused by the Kool-aid drinkers here that now treat Van Jefferson as some sort of linchpin for a successful 2023 season. We've already lost 13 players from 2022, another dozen may be added to that number very soon, yet trading Van Jeff is absolutely off the table for many.

 

[PARAM]

I'm amused by the Kool-aid drinkers here that now treat Van Jefferson as some sort of linchpin for a successful 2023 season. We've already lost 13 players from 2022, another dozen may be added to that number very soon, yet trading Van Jeff is absolutely off the table for many.

Who called him a "lynchpin"? Everybody on this thread has called him a #3 receiver. Jefferson missed 6 games last year and was limited in others. Kool Aid drinkers, eh? What makes me LMFAO is the Chicken Littles who fear the sky has fallen and we're doomed. Want to trade guys away and not replace them. Have they learned nothing the last 6 years?

 

[Riverumbbq]

Who called him a "lynchpin"? Everybody on this thread has called him a #3 receiver. Jefferson missed 6 games last year and was limited in others. Kool Aid drinkers, eh? What makes me LMFAO is the Chicken Littles who fear the sky has fallen and we're doomed. Want to trade guys away and not replace them. Have they learned nothing the last 6 years?

That's not it I'm afraid. The Rams are on a new road now that we've separated ourselves from so many key players from last year in order to build for the future, and I believe we now lead the League in CAP availability for 2024. It came a year earlier than I was expecting, but the brain trust running the show thought the timing was right. Trading soon to become (2024) free agents like Jefferson and Higbee is just a continuation of the process to re-build, ... or re-model if you prefer. jmo.

 

[Allen2McVay]

... I believe we now lead the League in CAP availability for 2024.

I would love if that was true but if you visit Spotrac and Over-the-Cap; and look at currently projected 2024 cap space by team (and it's WAY-early), the Rams are no better than middle-of-the-pack.

 

[Riverumbbq]

I would love if that was true but if you visit Spotrac and Over-the-Cap; and look at currently projected 2024 cap space by team (and it's WAY-early), the Rams are no better than middle-of-the-pack.

Perhaps I should re-phrase my earlier comment.

Rams have cleared far more 2024 cap space than any team this offseason

The Rams are 1 of 3 teams that have cleared cap room in 2024 and their amount is way more than any other team

theramswire.usatoday.com

 

[Merlin]

That's not it I'm afraid. The Rams are on a new road now that we've separated ourselves from so many key players from last year in order to build for the future, and I believe we now lead the League in CAP availability for 2024. It came a year earlier than I was expecting, but the brain trust running the show thought the timing was right. Trading soon to become (2024) free agents like Jefferson and Higbee is just a continuation of the process to re-build, ... or re-model if you prefer. jmo.

I would love to see them deal Jefferson. Would not bother me in the least because I like Skow and I think Robinson might have a bounce-back season in him. Just a matter of some team wanting Jefferson enough to make it worth it for the Rams. Hope you're right.

Re: Higs I think the room looks terrible without him. Unless they draft a TE who can play early, then that behind Long feels ok. But going into the draft with just Long would be concerning.

So overall those moves just seem unlikely but it's not like I think your logic is off on what you're saying. Rams would probably have no probs moving on from either.

 

[Riverumbbq]

I would love to see them deal Jefferson. Would not bother me in the least because I like Skow and I think Robinson might have a bounce-back season in him. Just a matter of some team wanting Jefferson enough to make it worth it for the Rams. Hope you're right.

Re: Higs I think the room looks terrible without him. Unless they draft a TE who can play early, then that behind Long feels ok. But going into the draft with just Long would be concerning.

So overall those moves just seem unlikely but it's not like I think your logic is off on what you're saying. Rams would probably have no probs moving on from either.

Where were you yesterday ?

I can't imagine McVay NOT drafting a WR this season to add to the room. I'm also wishing for two TE's, La Porta early & Kuntz late.
Most trade ideas seem unlikely, but that shouldn't prevent our suggestions.

 

[PARAM]

That's not it I'm afraid. The Rams are on a new road now that we've separated ourselves from so many key players from last year in order to build for the future, and I believe we now lead the League in CAP availability for 2024. It came a year earlier than I was expecting, but the brain trust running the show thought the timing was right. Trading soon to become (2024) free agents like Jefferson and Higbee is just a continuation of the process to re-build, ... or re-model if you prefer. jmo.

See, that angle few think about. Maybe THEY PLANNED to do it this year? It wasn't because we went 5-12. Had we gone 12-5 and won the SB again, they might have pushed some money forward. But what were the chances of that? Tell me when was the last repeat champion? Almost 2 decades. Going 5-12 or 12-5 had no affect on Floyd or Ramsey's contract. Their cap hit was the same no matter our 2022 record. The Rams may have kept Wagner but I wonder. The contract he signed was destined to fall way short in length. THIS was the year to tear it down and I don't know if it would have been easier or tougher had they repeated. But the sky isn't falling. It's what teams do. Pay the great players greatly and hopefully win a Super Bowl. They did that. How many teams pay the players and don't win it all? Many. They had it in their plans to win it in 2021 and run it back in 2022. Then start over.

Yes, trade players with expiring contracts. How many teams have called about VJ? Higbee? Hey, they could end up trading them but I don't see the point. A young team needs a few vets around. Otherwise, it's no different than Texas A & M.

 

[Merlin]

Just not sure he's gonna get his way this year River. With drafting the wideout. I think the extent of team needs will change that equation. He's got his toys from last year, so figure the plan will be fix Robinson and get those two 2nd round picks going. Then Jefferson is worth more and they can flip his ass or Robinson's ass at the deadline and reform this group the way he wants it in 2023.

But... If they move him now I could give a fuck tbh. Because I think he's lacking in the dog dept.