Should the Rams explore moving Van Jefferson?

[dieterbrock]

I haven't seen a single post which suggests a 5'th or 6'th round rookie would match that, rookie WR's drafted that low are usually in development, even 2'nd round draft pick Van Jefferson only had 19 receptions as a rookie.

Just wondering how those figures stack up against our combined part-timers of Skowronek, Powell & Atwell ?

If you trade him for a 5th or 6th round pick, you should replace his value. Which again was figured on the low side, the high side is more like the 800+ yards and 6 td he had
Skowronek, Powell & Atwell are irrelevant to the conversation, that's a deflection move, not even close to same position.
Trading Van for a 5th or 6th is not improving the team in any way shape of form unless the player taken is an improvement over Van
Prove how that happens and a trade will make sense

 

[Ram65]

But, should the Rams let Jefferson walk for a late-round compensatory pick? Or, should the Rams try to move Jefferson for, let’s say, a third round or even a fourth round selection prior to the 2023-2024 season? Maybe they can even get a player for Jefferson instead of a pick but, regardless, the Rams should find a way to move on from Jefferson, and here is why:

Depends on what's being offered. Me personally I would not move him unless we get a 2 even if we have to throw in some draft pick.

My reasoning is he is valuable to some team like the Giants maybe. There are a couple perfect picks on 5he top half of the 2nd round that will really help us. Still pissed we didn't get a 2nd for Ramsey. I do not want to pay him a new contract he is not worth it imo versus what it will cost.

Maybe a 3rd. Any team trading for him will get a good comp pick (4th likely) - if they don’t extend him. That’s why I don’t trade him unless we’re getting good value. Comparable to Lazard.

I'm not even picking up the phone unless the offer is a 3rd. We don't need to create another hole on the team unless being compensated enough to replace him directly. As other said, he's likely to net a 4th next offseason and, if he balls out this year, perhaps more.

I move both Higbee & Van Jefferson for 2 additional 2023 draft picks & the CAP space it opens, I'd even throw in 2024 middle round picks to seal the deal and garner higher picks. They both become free agents after the upcoming season, let's get what we can out of them.

Heck, I'd be more interested in extending him instead of getting rid of him.
As previously posted, in 2021, as a #3 WR, he outperformed most #2's in the league.

The bot started the 3rd and 4th round trades of Van Jefferson. I think we are all over the place on Jefferson. I don't see the Rams getting any substantial offers for either Robinson or Jefferson before the season starts unless injuries hit teams at WR. Jefferson has more upside as far as age and a potential new reasonable contract. Robinson will be gone after the season or before. It would be wise to keep Jefferson for the start of the season to see where he and the Rams go. I would like to see what McCutcheon can do this season.

As I stated about Robinson it's probably better to wait and see what teams offer for Jefferson during the season before the trade deadline to get the most out of his value if the Rams don't plan on resigning him. There is a lot we aren't privy to as far as the Rams future plans for him and the WR group. As of now it's a decent solid group if healthy. The Rams need to figure out a way to get the group involved in the offense. Skow and Atwell need reps as they have longer-term contracts. Keeping the group together early in the season will give them depth for injuries. The wild card would be if and when they draft a WR.

The Rams have for a couple of years
Kupp
Skow
Atwell

Unsure about how long these two will be around
Robinson
Jefferson

The others
McCutcheon
Trammel

 

[Riverumbbq]

If you trade him for a 5th or 6th round pick, you should replace his value. Which again was figured on the low side, the high side is more like the 800+ yards and 6 td he had
Skowronek, Powell & Atwell are irrelevant to the conversation, that's a deflection move, not even close to same position.
Trading Van for a 5th or 6th is not improving the team in any way shape of form unless the player taken is an improvement over Van
Prove how that happens and a trade will make sense

Deflection move ? They all play WR the last I checked, and who were our rotating #3 WR's when Van was out ?
Comparing a rookie 5'th or 6'th round developmental WR to a veteran 2'nd rounder is far more the deflection imo. And please, did this fictional 5'th or 6'th just get pulled out of your ..., or have you already witnessed the Rams draft board ?

 

[PARAM]

If you trade him for a 5th or 6th round pick, you should replace his value. Which again was figured on the low side, the high side is more like the 800+ yards and 6 td he had
Skowronek, Powell & Atwell are irrelevant to the conversation, that's a deflection move, not even close to same position.
Trading Van for a 5th or 6th is not improving the team in any way shape of form unless the player taken is an improvement over Van
Prove how that happens and a trade will make sense

They got a 3rd for Ramsey. More accurately, a 6th for Robert Woods.

Robert Woods (at the time of the trade) 9 yrs; 570 receptions; 7077 yds; 35 TDs.....and it should be noted in 5 years with the Rams, 70 rush attempts, 485 yds, 5 TDs along with some stellar blocking in the run game. Yeah he had 9 years on the tires but still......just a 6th?

Van Jefferson (if he were traded prior to the season) 3 yrs; 93 receptions; 1391 yds; 10 TDs; 3 rush att; 19 yds; 0 TDs........sure just 3 years on the tires but people expect to get a 4th? 5th? His resume has 7th round pick written all over it. Yet he's way more valuable right where he's at. For obvious reasons. He has been a good WR (2020-21). He knows the system. This is his walk year....extra motivation?

And as I believe you cited in a previous post, forgetting his rookie season, in his last two years (per game averages) equate to 45 receptions and 711 yards in a 17 game season. A lot of teams would gladly give a 7th round pick for that but why would the Rams give that up?

 

[Haden]

They got a 3rd for Ramsey. More accurately, a 6th for Robert Woods.

Robert Woods (at the time of the trade) 9 yrs; 570 receptions; 7077 yds; 35 TDs.....and it should be noted in 5 years with the Rams, 70 rush attempts, 485 yds, 5 TDs along with some stellar blocking in the run game. Yeah he had 9 years on the tires but still......just a 6th?

Van Jefferson (if he were traded prior to the season) 3 yrs; 93 receptions; 1391 yds; 10 TDs; 3 rush att; 19 yds; 0 TDs........sure just 3 years on the tires but people expect to get a 4th? 5th? His resume has 7th round pick written all over it. Yet he's way more valuable right where he's at. For obvious reasons. He has been a good WR (2020-21). He knows the system. This is his walk year....extra motivation?

Agreed on all of this.

 

[nighttrain]

he's way more valuable right where he's at.

train

 

[Malibu]

There is no way in hell we can get a 2nd round pick for a soon to be free agent WR that hasn’t done much of anything. We can dream though.

I don't say we get on I just wouldn't move him for less but if we sent something back say a 5th then I could see a 2nd.

 

[Merlin]

Van Jeff's true value may actually be higher today than since he was drafted, at least if you are listening to the greatness a few fans around here are heaping on him.

I will say that if he had value around the league the Rams almost surely would have moved him by now. I just don't think the guy has any real value. That's the problem here. His value to us is probably greater than what he'd bring. Because everyone knows he's a nice route runner who can't carry that possession load.

He's got some speed to stretch the field too but the bigger problem is he just gets erased too much. There's a ton of guys around the league like him. Guys who got drafted with that projection they could be a possession answer but they're not good enough.

So best case is keep him around and get him to put together a good stretch of games. Then you suddenly have options with him at the deadline and if you think he's gonna continue that arc keep him, if not move him.

 

[PARAM]

I will say that if he had value around the league the Rams almost surely would have moved him by now. I just don't think the guy has any real value. That's the problem here. His value to us is probably greater than what he'd bring. Because everyone knows he's a nice route runner who can't carry that possession load.

He's got some speed to stretch the field too but the bigger problem is he just gets erased too much. There's a ton of guys around the league like him. Guys who got drafted with that projection they could be a possession answer but they're not good enough.

So best case is keep him around and get him to put together a good stretch of games. Then you suddenly have options with him at the deadline and if you think he's gonna continue that arc keep him, if not move him.

Does he get "erased" or does the entire offense get "erased" at times? Do they look for Kupp too often? Look at his 2021 game log.....back to back games (wk 3 & 4, TB and Ariz)....10 rec, 132 yds, 1 TD.

Later a 6 games stretch including the 3 game losing streak where our offense, as a whole looked like the Jets. No less than 3 rec every week.....22 rec, 360 yds, 3 TDs. That's the #3 WR we're talking about here.

 

[Malibu]

Need to look at this as a business proposition and ask yourself are we resigning him? Are we tagging him? If the answer is no both of those we need the best way to get the most for him versus letting him walk. The only scenario I see him staying for a 2nd contract is if it costs us very little to resign him. I doubt a one year miracle ball out gets Snead's attention because he will say what happened to the 1st 3 seasons. VJ imo is marginal and replaceable he is not Az Akim or Ricky Proel both imo invaluable cto the GSOT. Maybe he will surprise all of us.

 

[Riverumbbq]

I will say that if he had value around the league the Rams almost surely would have moved him by now. I just don't think the guy has any real value. That's the problem here. His value to us is probably greater than what he'd bring. Because everyone knows he's a nice route runner who can't carry that possession load.

He's got some speed to stretch the field too but the bigger problem is he just gets erased too much. There's a ton of guys around the league like him. Guys who got drafted with that projection they could be a possession answer but they're not good enough.

So best case is keep him around and get him to put together a good stretch of games. Then you suddenly have options with him at the deadline and if you think he's gonna continue that arc keep him, if not move him.

First of all, I'm not saying that Van Jeff's value is what it was when he was drafted in the 2'nd round, what I am saying is that his value today is probably near his highest point since being drafted. One reason his value on Day 2 or 3 of the upcoming draft may be somewhat improved is that 2023 isn't the best for quality free agent WR's, and once you get past the 2'nd round, the draft isn't all that stellar for the new rookie class either. Van Jeff offers veteran talent at one of the very few positions we might be able to trade though. If we keep Jefferson, I won't really expect any vast improvement over what we have already seen, and trading him at the deadline with 1/2 the season gone and him soon to become a free agent, his value may decrease some while we wait for the perfect scenario where he's remained healthy and he's proven to the league his excellence.
With 2 years remaining on his contract, given the same set of circumstances where all else is equal, I'd think Allen Robinson would make for the better 'deadline' trade. jmo.

 

[PARAM]

With 2 years remaining on his contract, given the same set of circumstances where all else is equal, I'd think Allen Robinson would make for the better 'deadline' trade. jmo.

By midseason, it would only be a year and a half left. I think Allen Robinson would make a better draft day trade than Jefferson at any time. He's got the resume. He's got 2 years left. And he could be had for a day three pick.

But are we really "done" with AR or was it he and his side that instigated a trade? There was no report that said, "the Rams have approached teams to gauge the interest in Robinson". What was said was, "the Rams have given AR permission to talk to teams about a trade".

Did he play up to his contract vslur last year? No. But who did? Can we replace him with somebody in the draft? Maybe. Maybe not. Funny, last year at this time we were upset Woods was traded but it was muted somewhat by the acquisition of AR.

Like the saying goes, "Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make."

 

[Riverumbbq]

By midseason, it would only be a year and a half left. I think Allen Robinson would make a better draft day trade than Jefferson at any time. He's got the resume. He's got 2 years left. And he could be had for a day three pick.

But are we really "done" with AR or was it he and his side that instigated a trade? There was no report that said, "the Rams have approached teams to gauge the interest in Robinson". What was said was, "the Rams have given AR permission to talk to teams about a trade".

Did he play up to his contract vslur last year? No. But who did? Can we replace him with somebody in the draft? Maybe. Maybe not. Funny, last year at this time we were upset Woods was traded but it was muted somewhat by the acquisition of AR.

Like the saying goes, "Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make."

I believe A.R. lost some value last year due to the Rams overall problems caused by team/QB injuries, ... starting the season on a good note should boost that value by the trade deadline, but until a new evaluation is made a few weeks into the season, I'm just not seeing any worth in unloading him unless the only thing we care about is creating additional 2024 CAP space. I believe Van Jefferson has higher trade value today than A.R., so I try to move V.J. now (Day 2 or 3 of the draft) and A.R. at the deadline. jmo.

 

[Merlin]

what I am saying is that his value today is probably near his highest point since being drafted.

Can't agree with that. But if you're right then there is a reasonable chance they'll move him.

 

[PARAM]

I believe A.R. lost some value last year due to the Rams overall problems caused by team/QB injuries, ... starting the season on a good note should boost that value by the trade deadline, but until a new evaluation is made a few weeks into the season, I'm just not seeing any worth in unloading him unless the only thing we care about is creating additional 2024 CAP space. I believe Van Jefferson has higher trade value today than A.R., so I try to move V.J. now (Day 2 or 3 of the draft) and A.R. at the deadline. jmo.

We let 8 or 9 defensive players leave and that is going to be a project. Not saying it won't be a successful project, just that it'll be a project probably with some growing pains. And the word is McVay (and Snead) want to get the offense back up to snuff. With that in mind, why would we want to trade one of our top 3 receivers? We play 11 more than anybody. I just don't see the rationale for moving either of them. I know there are some fans who think McCutcheon is the second coming of Rickey Proehl but he hasn't shown anything yet, except vs. 2's and 3's.

 

[Riverumbbq]

We let 8 or 9 defensive players leave and that is going to be a project. Not saying it won't be a successful project, just that it'll be a project probably with some growing pains. And the word is McVay (and Snead) want to get the offense back up to snuff. With that in mind, why would we want to trade one of our top 3 receivers? We play 11 more than anybody. I just don't see the rationale for moving either of them. I know there are some fans who think McCutcheon is the second coming of Rickey Proehl but he hasn't shown anything yet, except vs. 2's and 3's.

I've made my opinion clear already, I won't repeat myself.

 

[Corbin]

Please link a few of those articles that so overstates Van Jefferson's value.

I've never heard of anyone offering a 2'nd for Jefferson, possibly a 3'rd or 4'th if there was additional compensation included. For Van Jeff to maximize his value at the trade deadline when there is only 9 games left to the season, he would need to be 100% healthy, he would need to be having an outstanding season, and he will likely need for a play-off bound team to have suffered an injured WR prior. A draft day trade eliminates those fewer deadline scenarios, especially for a guy who is about to hit free agency. If the same were true for Allen Robinson, seems he might make the better 'deadline' trade.

Again, I must have missed those posts where someone has suggested a 6'th or 7'th rounder would be adequate compensation. Still, I'm glad to hear that someone actually knows our 'path'.

I haven't seen a single post which suggests a 5'th or 6'th round rookie would match that, rookie WR's drafted that low are usually in development, even 2'nd round draft pick Van Jefferson only had 19 receptions as a rookie.

Just wondering how those figures stack up against our combined part-timers of Skowronek, Powell & Atwell ?

You haven’t seen or noticed a single post because you have been of the mindset it’s a good idea to trade him.

I don’t have the time or will to go back through threads and search for posts ( which is in the past people get all up in arms about) and articles that state as such.

You can Google or use the search feature.

 

[dieterbrock]

Deflection move ? They all play WR the last I checked, and who were our rotating #3 WR's when Van was out ?
Comparing a rookie 5'th or 6'th round developmental WR to a veteran 2'nd rounder is far more the deflection imo. And please, did this fictional 5'th or 6'th just get pulled out of your ..., or have you already witnessed the Rams draft board ?

You smoking weed or something? You're making absolutely no sense. You trade a player, you expect equal or better value in return. If that doesnt make sense to you I dont know the point of discussing.
As for the WR crew, newsflash, they dont need Jefferson traded to increase their value/playing time/stats. Its a red herring move. They each have their roles and will play based on what they offer, regardless of who's on the field.
Now the 5th or 6th rounder who is exactly replacing the inexpensive, highly productive player? Yes the value comparison is on point.

 

[Riverumbbq]

You haven’t seen or noticed a single post because you have been of the mindset it’s a good idea to trade him.

I don’t have the time or will to go back through threads and search for posts ( which is in the past people get all up in arms about) and articles that state as such.

You can Google or use the search feature.

LOL
Just because I have an opinion which is different from the majority here doesn't mean that I can't walk and chew gum at the same time. And remember, it's just one opinion among the many. I don't know what is going on inside McSnead's head any more than anyone here, I'm just offering up what has turned out to be an unpopular idea to hopefully get us a 4'th round pick. To the likely relief of many, I have no expectations of our team following up with my idea, it was just an expressed opinion.
You are the guy who made the bold statement and then failed to back it up, so I'll have to assume your 'proof' doesn't exist.

 

[PARAM]

I don't know what is going on inside McSnead's head any more than anyone here

Don't include me in that group. I just got off the phone with him....so I know.