SF round 1 Vent Thread

[rdlkgliders]

We as a collaborative are so unhappy with many defensive players that performed well last season. There is one path that links our criticism and that is scheme. There is essentially 1 person influencing scheme more than anyone else. We need improvement if it is through change in scheme lets do it. I am not a fan of our present direction defensively but also don't feel a change of personnel at the top will necessarily stabilize this defense. We are in quite a pickle.
Maybe the Chawjurz will continue to lose and Staley will be let go

 

[ramsince62]

The problem is that the Titans and the Whiners had us down 14-0.

The 3 man front is no that effective against running teams because you have 5 O linemen against 3 D linemen and some backers.

I think Von Miller will make a difference down the road.

What road, you mean the final 7 games?

This team never had the depth, if the starters could stray healthy they had a reasonable shot...now, they've simply lost too many skill players to recover.

They took a shot, it was exciting for a time, but reality is now setting in. Sadly, this little game of giving away picks and loading up a few malcontents on the down side isn't going to amount to a hill of beans.

Next year the bill begins to come due and it won't be pretty. As for McVay's future with the Rams, I'd put it closer to 7 years than 10.

 

[thirteen28]

Maybe the Chawjurz will continue to lose and Staley will be let go

Well, the blue font is there for a reason. But no blue font is needed to say that Staley's mentor and teacher, Vic Fangio, is probably going to be looking for work after this season. And if I'm Sean McVay, the instant news of his firing comes across the wire, I call him and beg him to come here to take over the D.

 

[TexasRam]

Some of you are stunned. You lived in some fantasy land about Stafford. He is a QB that can give you the wow plays. No look passes, deep passes, sidearm passes. But the accuracy is below average for an NFL QB.

The problem was never the QB, it was the surrounding players. You have to block and also catch the ball on key downs. Period.

The defense also cannot have glaring weaknesses like our 3rd down zone approach with players who cannot cover.

 

[Poppinfresh]

Ugly loss, so that's really bad to accept that this team has played like trash lately.

From a numbers perspective, team is in the same spot it has been literally every week this season: Win out and they win the division. Though at this stage getting the bye or even the 2nd seed are seeming a lot less likely.

 

[bubbaramfan]

That game just made me realize the Rams aren't as good as I thought they were. Oh well.

 

[Merlin]

I'm not even mad at this point. We are a soft, finesse team. 7-3 is a good record but we're not the team that will be the last one standing this year.

Gonna say it again: they need to get back to running the ball. Henderson had 5 carries for 31 yards and a 6.1 ypc average. Michel had 4 for 20 at 5 yards a pop. Run game has been there all year long. This line is capable of sustaining it. But McVay is hell bent on the pass and forcing Stafford into elite QB range and Stafford is not there yet. Will he get there in this offense? No idea but what McVay is doing is not the answer.

At some point he's going to pull his head out his ass. Stafford is not going to carry this offense on his own. He has two bad games in a row now, how many is it going to take before he realizes 9 needs to settle down and have a complementary ground game. I'm concerned because McVay doesn't seem to realize he doesn't have overpowering weapons either, we have possession type weapons.

And this defense is on McVay too. His first friend hire that is blowing up in his face. These guys were trending better but what we just saw was some shitty fucking coordination. Rams were winning up front on quite a few downs, but as usual we had zero anticipation for what Shanahan drew up. Zero. The guy is our fucking kryptonite. But even with that I am so fucking tired of seeing this soft ass defense not be able to get themselves off the field and it's because they're a dumb defense and that starts at the top.

Far as I'm concerned I'm in "maybe next year" mode. Because there is no chance McVay will stop and realize he should be mashing Michel 20+ carries a game and even if he did Michel would probably get hurt. Henderson too. Maybe I'm overreacting here but this team is just not good enough IMO.

Maybe there's a parallel universe where we have Akers and shit looks way different. But for my money solving the run game is centric to all this shit and we have a head coach who doesn't seem to be able to see it. And even worse... Even if he did maybe it wouldn't matter because we don't have the RBs to sustain a run game and survive it.

 

[Mackeyser]

The problem is that the Titans and the Whiners had us down 14-0.

The 3 man front is no that effective against running teams because you have 5 O linemen against 3 D linemen and some backers.

I think Von Miller will make a difference down the road.

A typical 3-4 with two big ILBs is actually better against the run typically than a 4-3, but not always.

Unfortunately we play light... we play a 2-4-5 or 2-3-6 MOST of the time.

And it takes a TON to move Morris to put 3 legit Defensive Linemen down on that line. He just wants to move to a 4-3 and I fucking hate it because running a 4-3 nickel or dime like a hybrid 3-4 is ASKING teams to run us to death in those A and B gaps...

And now we have TWO solid weeks of showing our weakness. This is akin to the schematic weakness we had in 2018. We still went to the Super Bowl, but couldn't get over it because McVay wouldn't adjust to the OL blocking scheme and when EVERY DAMN TEAM we played in 2019 did the same thing, we had to adjust and finally did.

Now we have Morris who keeps trying to run this 3-4 like a 4-3 with wide sets and constantly running twists which constantly breaks contain (which we used to be among the league's best at) and it's just NEVER gonna work.

We may win in spite of this current D's scheme and I expect us to make incremental improvements, but it's not a scheme that will hold up in the post season.

The good news is that there's no way that AD or Ramsey are gonna sit back and let Morris do this shit anymore or he'll lose the defense. Ramsey was already giving him what for as well he should and if they don't address this schematically, Morris will lose the defense and at that point, the season is over.

I really hope that doesn't happen and I think we get our act together and still win the Super Bowl... and this will be one of those "the Rams were down after two devastating losses and entered the bye unsure of their identity and the league calling them "soft". And then came the GB game where things started to turn around..."

Hope springs eternal, right?

 

[Steve808]

I'm not even mad at this point. We are a soft, finesse team. 7-3 is a good record but we're not the team that will be the last one standing this year.

Gonna say it again: they need to get back to running the ball. Henderson had 5 carries for 31 yards and a 6.1 ypc average. Michel had 4 for 20 at 5 yards a pop. Run game has been there all year long. This line is capable of sustaining it. But McVay is hell bent on the pass and forcing Stafford into elite QB range and Stafford is not there yet. Will he get there in this offense? No idea but what McVay is doing is not the answer.

At some point he's going to pull his head out his ass. Stafford is not going to carry this offense on his own. He has two bad games in a row now, how many is it going to take before he realizes 9 needs to settle down and have a complementary ground game. I'm concerned because McVay doesn't seem to realize he doesn't have overpowering weapons either, we have possession type weapons.

And this defense is on McVay too. His first friend hire that is blowing up in his face. These guys were trending better but what we just saw was some shitty fucking coordination. Rams were winning up front on quite a few downs, but as usual we had zero anticipation for what Shanahan drew up. Zero. The guy is our fucking kryptonite. But even with that I am so fucking tired of seeing this soft ass defense not be able to get themselves off the field and it's because they're a dumb defense and that starts at the top.

Far as I'm concerned I'm in "maybe next year" mode. Because there is no chance McVay will stop and realize he should be mashing Michel 20+ carries a game and even if he did Michel would probably get hurt. Henderson too. Maybe I'm overreacting here but this team is just not good enough IMO.

Maybe there's a parallel universe where we have Akers and shit looks way different. But for my money solving the run game is centric to all this shit and we have a head coach who doesn't seem to be able to see it. And even worse... Even if he did maybe it wouldn't matter because we don't have the RBs to sustain a run game and survive it.

I said it before, the two TE look that McVay employed last season was very effective. But he's never come back to it. And tonight we never really tried to move the pocket around.

 

[Rams77]

I'm not even mad at this point. We are a soft, finesse team. 7-3 is a good record but we're not the team that will be the last one standing this year.

Gonna say it again: they need to get back to running the ball. Henderson had 5 carries for 31 yards and a 6.1 ypc average. Michel had 4 for 20 at 5 yards a pop. Run game has been there all year long. This line is capable of sustaining it. But McVay is hell bent on the pass and forcing Stafford into elite QB range and Stafford is not there yet. Will he get there in this offense? No idea but what McVay is doing is not the answer.

At some point he's going to pull his head out his ass. Stafford is not going to carry this offense on his own. He has two bad games in a row now, how many is it going to take before he realizes 9 needs to settle down and have a complementary ground game. I'm concerned because McVay doesn't seem to realize he doesn't have overpowering weapons either, we have possession type weapons.

And this defense is on McVay too. His first friend hire that is blowing up in his face. These guys were trending better but what we just saw was some shitty fucking coordination. Rams were winning up front on quite a few downs, but as usual we had zero anticipation for what Shanahan drew up. Zero. The guy is our fucking kryptonite. But even with that I am so fucking tired of seeing this soft ass defense not be able to get themselves off the field and it's because they're a dumb defense and that starts at the top.

Far as I'm concerned I'm in "maybe next year" mode. Because there is no chance McVay will stop and realize he should be mashing Michel 20+ carries a game and even if he did Michel would probably get hurt. Henderson too. Maybe I'm overreacting here but this team is just not good enough IMO.

Maybe there's a parallel universe where we have Akers and shit looks way different. But for my money solving the run game is centric to all this shit and we have a head coach who doesn't seem to be able to see it. And even worse... Even if he did maybe it wouldn't matter because we don't have the RBs to sustain a run game and survive it.

I agree-we dont have the Running Backs to sustain 20-30 carries a game and stay healthy. IMO Henderson is more of a complimentary back or change of pace guy. He’s had an injury history and McVay probably has that in the back of his mind-hence using him sparingly against physical defenses-which plays right into the other teams hands. Michel could take 10-15 carries but he is not explosive and has had an injury history as well. We miss Akers and honestly we need a workhorse type back. I liked Marlon Mack and wish we could have traded for him from Indy. I know he tore his achilles last year but why not take a flyer. You can never have enough backs but then again Martz I mean McVay probably would underutilize all of them

 

[Steve808]

A typical 3-4 with two big ILBs is actually better against the run typically than a 4-3, but not always.

Unfortunately we play light... we play a 2-4-5 or 2-3-6 MOST of the time.

And it takes a TON to move Morris to put 3 legit Defensive Linemen down on that line. He just wants to move to a 4-3 and I fucking hate it because running a 4-3 nickel or dime like a hybrid 3-4 is ASKING teams to run us to death in those A and B gaps...

And now we have TWO solid weeks of showing our weakness. This is akin to the schematic weakness we had in 2018. We still went to the Super Bowl, but couldn't get over it because McVay wouldn't adjust to the OL blocking scheme and when EVERY DAMN TEAM we played in 2019 did the same thing, we had to adjust and finally did.

Now we have Morris who keeps trying to run this 3-4 like a 4-3 with wide sets and constantly running twists which constantly breaks contain (which we used to be among the league's best at) and it's just NEVER gonna work.

We may win in spite of this current D's scheme and I expect us to make incremental improvements, but it's not a scheme that will hold up in the post season.

The good news is that there's no way that AD or Ramsey are gonna sit back and let Morris do this shit anymore or he'll lose the defense. Ramsey was already giving him what for as well he should and if they don't address this schematically, Morris will lose the defense and at that point, the season is over.

I really hope that doesn't happen and I think we get our act together and still win the Super Bowl... and this will be one of those "the Rams were down after two devastating losses and entered the bye unsure of their identity and the league calling them "soft". And then came the GB game where things started to turn around..."

Hope springs eternal, right?

We beat green bay and all will be well.

 

[gabriel18]

You can get quality at ILB, FB, and a power RB in the middle rounds and that is what they need.

They haven’t drafted one in 15 years with high draft picks. Good luck with no picks.

 

[Merlin]

I said it before, the two TE look that McVay employed last season was very effective. But he's never come back to it. And tonight we never really tried to move the pocket around.

Yeah but the prob with TE is we started the year thin on the roster at the position. Then lost Mundt. And clearly McVay doesn't trust Hopkins or Blanton for shit.

So like RB it might just come down to we don't have the players. But that said I do think McVay could make things better by running the ball and he can do that in 11 personnel just fine with this OL.

 

[Pancake]

I would not be upset if the Rams fired Morris and hired the water boy.

 

[Da-Rock]

We beat green bay and all will be well.

I understand what you are saying, but the reality is simple: The LA Rams are not as good as advertised. They have demonstrated in back to back games and for 5 seasons that they are NOT mentally or physically tough. No Rams game in my life time comes to mind where the Rams busted another team in the mouth physically on the field.

We have beat only one good team this year.....................7-3 is a joke because of that fact.

 

[Steve808]

I understand what you are saying, but the reality is simple: The LA Rams are not as good as advertised. They have demonstrated in back to back games and for 5 seasons that they are NOT mentally or physically tough. No Rams game in my life time comes to mind where the Rams busted another team in the mouth physically on the field.

We have beat only one good team this year.....................7-3 is a joke because of that fact.

We busted teams chops under Jeff Fisher, but that didn't get us far......

 

[Ellard80]

Some of you are stunned. You lived in some fantasy land about Stafford. He is a QB that can give you the wow plays. No look passes, deep passes, sidearm passes. But the accuracy is below average for an NFL QB.

The problem was never the QB, it was the surrounding players. You have to block and also catch the ball on key downs. Period.

The defense also cannot have glaring weaknesses like our 3rd down zone approach with players who cannot cover.

while saying that stafford may not be as great as some think.. maybe.

acting like the QB wasnt a problem the last couple years... no way... stafford already has more TD passes then goff did all of the last two seasons...

 

[99Balloons]

Mc Vay is Kyle Shanahan’s bitch.

 

[Mackeyser]

We need to use this BYE week to say goodBYE to Morris.

#dadjoke

No cap and no joke.

I'm gonna call this now: schematically, our defense is in trouble. Against teams that can play smash mouth football, Morris is still calling his defense as a "hybrid 3-4", but it's a poorly disguised 4-3 and we don't have the base personnel to run it (2 DL and two OLBs isn't a "front" by most definitions) and even when we do, Morris won't use that personnel group. Worse, it's putting AD and Ramsey into less than optimal positions.

I mean WTF? How is Ramsey not glued to Kittle? Or Deebo Samuel? How can it be so easy for a team to consistently run away from AD and not adjust to that?

Yeah, I'd be fine if they fired Morris. TONIGHT. In the short term, it'd be worse, but we need someone who can run our D with the personnel we have. I was high on Morris, but he's just not getting it done.

Worse, and I've called these things before and have yet to be wrong; if Morris just tries to get players to execute this schematically flawed defense better, it's a losing proposition and he'll lose the defensive locker room.

Hopefully there is plenty of reflection tomorrow. Both McVay and Morris will have to be more nimble going forward or we're just not gonna get where we need to go.

 

[OldSchool]

They haven’t drafted one in 15 years with high draft picks. Good luck with no high picks.

fify

We will have 8 picks.