Ramsey traded to Miami for ‘23 3rd rd pick(#77 overall) and TE Hunter Long

[Corbin]

I don't really want picks as much as I do players in a trade.

Carolina = Brian Burns (DE) and picks or straight up....not sure of value
Lions = Ragnow/Swift and picks?
Raiders = Rock Ya Sin/Ferrell/Josh Jacobs/any Olinemen?
Titans = ? and picks?
Chargers = Mack or picks?

Bruh you know we have a cap issue right?

We need young cheap talent.

 

[dang]

All these damn rumors.....I don't trust the damn media for shit.

Agreed. Ill start my own rumor: There are 31 teams with “interest” in trading for Ramsey.
My source: Captain Obvious.

 

[AvengerRam]

All these damn rumors.....I don't trust the damn media for shit.

I’m old enough to remember when “rumor” meant something other than “blind fanboy speculation.”

As for Ramsey’s tweets… he sure does play the victim a lot for a 28 year old multimillionaire.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I’m old enough to remember when “rumor” meant something other than “blind fanboy speculation.”

As for Ramsey’s tweets… he sure does play the victim a lot for a 28 year old multimillionaire.

Yeah I agree about the victim part though. I don't understand it either since he's already been paid a lot to play a game, he won a super bowl, and is well respected around the league at his position. Only positive guess I can make is he's another athlete that is using the false narrative of people disrespecting him to motivate himself more.

 

[oldnotdead]

One I believe because I've heard it via a credible source, and its very obvious is Detroit. They have two first and second round picks, #18 and #56 make sense. Their need is obvious. With Ramsey played properly they could be a very credible playoff contender. Ramsey has at least 4 maybe 5 years left in him. Play him at CB for 2 maybe 3 years than move him to safety. His ability to read plays and jump routes in the short and medium zones would make him deadly.

Detroit also has the cap space with over $23M. Ramsey is a difference maker in Detroit's aggressive defense. So yeah I believe it. Ramsey would need to sign a team friendly contract that meets their needs in terms of cap while giving Ramsey the money he wants. Trading Ramsey if the trading team takes his entire contract immediately makes the Rams $6-$7M over the cap with a first and two second round picks. Restructurning Flyods contract would give them room to make a play for Ngakoue.

The other rumor I heard is Carolina with a straight player swap between Burns and Ramsey but both will need to sign new contracts. Carolina is $4+M over the cap. Trading Burns puts them about $12M over the cap so a restructured contract with Ramsey would need to be worked out by the Panthers. On the other hand, the Rams would need to work out a long term deal with Burns. The Rams would gain about $9M in cap if the Panthers take the entire Ramsey contract. IMO this could account for the prolonged talk as there are a whole lot of moving pieces in this trade.

IMO if this is all true the Detroit deal would make more sense. If they can't get Ngakoue they can get a very good rookie edge at 18 in the draft. With 2 second and 1 third round pick they could fill a lot of positions long term, i.e interior DL, CB, OL. Losing Ramsey hurts but as long as they have Morris as DC who squanders talent like Ramsey and Donald. Both make plays inspite of Morris not because of him.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Detroit would seem like a possible fit for a Ramsey trade-partner but Carolina has three young cornerbacks in Horn and Henderson (both top-10 picks in recent years) and Donte Jackson, a former #2 who signed a big contract last off-season but also had an Achilles injury last season. Behind Burns (who I love), the Panthers don't seem to have very much.

 

[dieterbrock]

Credible sources. Lol

 

[dieterbrock]

Player for player swaps are very difficult for teams with salary cap issues.
Take the Ramsey/Burns idea, Rams take a dead cap hit of almost 20 mill by trading JR, and would take on the 16 mill guaranteed contract for Burns. 36 mill added, save 17 mill for Ramsey, 19 mill cap hit for the move *until* Burns would sign an extension

 

[snackdaddy]

Detroit needs defense. I can see them being interested in Ramsey. Interested enough to trade their top pick? That I do not see. Not even sure if they'd be willing to trade their next pick.

Ramsey is good. One of the best. A team who needs secondary help would definitely have interest in him. But I have doubts we could get a first round pick for him.

 

[Corbin]

Credible sources. Lol

“ I Support Mike Florio, his right to wear tighty whitey’s, and his impeccable accurate sports coverage with a law angle”
- @Loyal

 

[ottoman89]

Peter King says he'd except a low 1st and maybe another mid round pick. If that's it, no fuckin thanks.

Also expects Snead to trade down from our spot in R2 to get more Day 3 picks which would be dumb as hell. Take the top OL, CB, OR EDGE at that top spot. There's a reason our roster is getting weak. Too many day 3 picks not doing a damn thing. Need to start getting top young talent.

 

[PhillyRam]

Peter King says he'd except a low 1st and maybe another mid round pick. If that's it, no fuckin thanks.

Also expects Snead to trade down from our spot in R2 to get more Day 3 picks which would be dumb as hell. Take the top OL, CB, OR EDGE at that top spot. There's a reason our roster is getting weak. Too many day 3 picks not doing a damn thing. Need to start getting top young talent.

I expect trade downs as well. I think you can get the same type players from 35-85...so get as many as you can in that range.

 

[Flatlyner]

I don't really want picks as much as I do players in a trade.

Carolina = Brian Burns (DE) and picks or straight up....not sure of value
Lions = Ragnow/Swift and picks?
Raiders = Rock Ya Sin/Ferrell/Josh Jacobs/any Olinemen?
Titans = ? and picks?
Chargers = Mack or picks?

Think every Raider you mentioned are UFA, Raiders really have nothing to trade us other then draft picks and even then, they need those picks more then they need a 28 year old CB. Raiders are a disaster.

Would be more then happy to accept the Carolina trade.

Chargers trade, no. Mack is considerably older then Ramsey and likely has a similar cap hit. Not to mention did not look fully like himself last year.

Lions - Love Ragnow. Would want him and a 2nd at least IMO.

 

[So Ram]

This guy goes a little overboard.He forgot to mention The Hags though,they made the Playoffs.COBE Bryant was the CB I liked,but they also drafted Tariq Woolen who had an excellent season & was better.


View: https://youtu.be/LYLJKsj9lbw

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Can past CB trades tell us what the Rams might get for Jalen Ramsey?

Cornerbacks have historically not yielded much in trades, but will it be different for Jalen Ramsey if the Rams move him?

sports.yahoo.com

One of the biggest storylines for the Los Angeles Rams this offseason is the possibility of trading star cornerback Jalen Ramsey. The Rams have talked to teams about Ramsey already, and though nothing is on the verge of happening yet, league sources told Tom Pelissero that he’s “very likely” to be dealt in the coming weeks.

Ramsey is 28 years old and will be 29 in October, so he’s still got plenty of good football ahead of him. He also has three years left on his contract and has made the Pro Bowl in each of the last six seasons.


Cornerbacks of his caliber don’t come available very often, which makes this a somewhat rare situation. The Rams are seeking cap space and draft capital, but how much they could get in return for Ramsey is a big question.

Looking back at trades involving star cornerbacks since 2000, we can get a sense of what a team might give up for Ramsey. Every trade situation differs, so there isn’t a perfect one-for-one comparison. But history tells us cornerbacks don’t typically get traded for a whole lot.

Stephon Gilmore (age: 31), 2021

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Return: 6th-round pick
When the Patriots traded Gilmore to the Panthers, they were in no place of leverage. Gilmore wanted a new contract and the Patriots wouldn’t give him an extension, so they planned to outright release him before Carolina came calling with a low offer.
The sixth-round pick wasn’t an indication of Gilmore’s actual value or talent level, but rather the result of a contract dispute in New England.
Darius Slay (29), 2020

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Return: 3rd- and 5th-round picks
Similar to Gilmore, Slay was also seeking a new contract when he was traded from the Lions to the Eagles. And immediately after that trade was made, Slay signed a three-year deal worth $50 million. He was entering the final year of his contract when the Lions traded him, failing to come to an agreement with the star cornerback on a new deal – which the Eagles had no problem doing.
A.J. Bouye (29), 2020

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Return: 4th-round pick
Bouye was a Pro Bowler in 2017 but he regressed in the following two years before being traded to the Broncos in 2020. That deal was a failure for the Broncos, as Bouye only played seven games in Denver before being cut in 2021. He missed time in Denver due to injury and a six-game suspension toward the end of the 2020 season for a PED violation.
Darrelle Revis (28), 2013

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Return: 1st- and 4th-round picks
Revis is probably the most comparable player in terms of trade value. He was a four-time Pro Bowler and three-time All-Pro with the Jets before being traded to Tampa Bay in 2013, but that deal came one season after Revis suffered a torn ACL, which surely had an effect on his trade value.
Revis indicated he wanted a new contract before the 2012 season, which was the second-to-last year of his deal, but he never held out. Upon being traded to Tampa Bay with one year left on his contract, he signed a six-year, $96 million deal with the Buccaneers.
Antonio Cromartie (26), 2010

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Return: Conditional 3rd-round pick, turned into 2nd
Cromartie was a premier cornerback in 2007 as a first-team All-Pro, but he failed to make the Pro Bowl in the next two seasons, picking off five passes in 2008 and 2009 combined after recording 10 picks in 2007. Entering the final year of his contract, he was sent to the Jets for a conditional third-rounder, which turned into a second.
Before the 2011 season, he signed a four-year, $32 million extension with the Jets.
DeAngelo Hall, (24) 2008

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Return: 2nd- and 5th-round picks
Hall was only a four-year veteran and a two-time Pro Bowler when he was traded from the Falcons to the Raiders in March of 2008, but his time in Oakland was short-lived. After being traded to the Raiders, Hall signed a seven-year, $70 million deal with Oakland. However, he only played eight games for the team before being released in November.
Hall was much younger than Ramsey is now, but he also wasn’t an All-Pro like Ramsey has been for several years.
Aeneas Williams (33), 2001

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Return: 2nd- and 4th-round picks
Near the end of his career, Williams was traded from the Cardinals to the Rams in 2001. He was a six-time Pro Bowler and two-time All-Pro with the Cardinals previously, but he was also 33 years old when Arizona traded him to St. Louis.
Still, the Cardinals got second- and fourth-round picks for him, and the Rams got a versatile defensive back who played corner and safety. They signed him to an extension when the trade was completed. He was an All-Pro in 2001 and a Pro Bowler in 2003, starring in the Rams’ secondary.
Jalen Ramsey (25), 2019

(AP Photo/Kyusung Gong)
Return: Two 1st-round picks and 4th-round pick
The Rams acquired Ramsey from the Jaguars in 2019, which was amid a contract dispute with the team. They gave up a ton for the All-Pro corner, trading two first-round picks and a fourth-rounder.
In 2020, they signed Ramsey to a five-year deal worth $100 million, which he’s currently playing on.

 

[AvengerRam]

Credible sources. Lol

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Trading Ramsey for cap relief is positive but the other half of that trade element would have been at least a couple of 3rd rounders in draft selections

But when I ponder on that do I really want a redo & end up with Terrell Burgess/ David Long/ Bobby Evans or a Terrell Burgess all 3rd rounders by Snead.

I would just keep Ramsey move him to deep safety from this point on & let him have his way with terrorizing opponents QB's with his all-pro playmaking ability.

Sure would be great entertainment every Sunday having Jalen Ramsey talking smack & then backing it up. Deep Safety is what he is now built for from this point on.

Amen. Snead is an overrated talent evaluator. Trading Ramsey for some third rounders will be a waste.

One I believe because I've heard it via a credible source, and its very obvious is Detroit. They have two first and second round picks, #18 and #56 make sense. Their need is obvious. With Ramsey played properly they could be a very credible playoff contender. Ramsey has at least 4 maybe 5 years left in him. Play him at CB for 2 maybe 3 years than move him to safety. His ability to read plays and jump routes in the short and medium zones would make him deadly.

Detroit also has the cap space with over $23M. Ramsey is a difference maker in Detroit's aggressive defense. So yeah I believe it. Ramsey would need to sign a team friendly contract that meets their needs in terms of cap while giving Ramsey the money he wants. Trading Ramsey if the trading team takes his entire contract immediately makes the Rams $6-$7M over the cap with a first and two second round picks. Restructurning Flyods contract would give them room to make a play for Ngakoue.

The other rumor I heard is Carolina with a straight player swap between Burns and Ramsey but both will need to sign new contracts. Carolina is $4+M over the cap. Trading Burns puts them about $12M over the cap so a restructured contract with Ramsey would need to be worked out by the Panthers. On the other hand, the Rams would need to work out a long term deal with Burns. The Rams would gain about $9M in cap if the Panthers take the entire Ramsey contract. IMO this could account for the prolonged talk as there are a whole lot of moving pieces in this trade.

IMO if this is all true the Detroit deal would make more sense. If they can't get Ngakoue they can get a very good rookie edge at 18 in the draft. With 2 second and 1 third round pick they could fill a lot of positions long term, i.e interior DL, CB, OL. Losing Ramsey hurts but as long as they have Morris as DC who squanders talent like Ramsey and Donald. Both make plays inspite of Morris not because of him.

I hope Snead is holding out for a mid to high first round pick and more. Otherwise they keep Ramsey and restructure his contract.

I expect trade downs as well. I think you can get the same type players from 35-85...so get as many as you can in that range.

Are you sure about that? like Tutu Atwell and Creed Humphrey. Identical talent levels? I hate the trading down. Snead has not capitalized on it enough imo.

Trading a pick for higher picks the next year? Sure. I like that idea, if a team is in total rebuild mode.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Brian Burns for Jalen Ramsey... I mean, I'd throw in draft capital to make that happen. On D we're looking for someone who's gonna move the Burrows, Mahomes, Herberts off their spot and a CB isn't gonna do it. No matter how much we scheme Ramsey around, teams can still throw away from him. The best shutdown corner can't compete with a premiere pass rusher.

It does seem the consensus out there is a low 1st and a mid round pick. I would expect something in that vein maybe with a little late round give back on our end. I expect if the trade is made, people will be relatively non-plussed. It won't be a fleecing on either end and we will restock some of our capital (then what does Snead do with it?).

I could see a scenario where the Eagles can make it happen. Some combination of one of their 1sts and picks back and forth from us (they'll need to have a clue what they're doing with Hurts contract of course).

 

[ottoman89]

View: https://twitter.com/jalenramsey/status/1630055409259282433?s=20


Not sure what to make of this tweet.

 

[Merlin]

On the other hand... what I saw in the 2022 secondary was a huge drop off between Ramsey and the other corners. Ramsey looked FAR better than anyone else on the roster and it wasn't even close. Durant, Kendrick's, Long, Hill... nobody came close to JR. Yes, he declined a bit, but he's still only 28 and he's a hugely talented guy and a fierce competitor.

Decline + Rams are paying him as an eraser + we had a bottom third defense in many metrics. We need to reinvest in the defense, in particular the secondary. Does it make sense to try to do that while you're pissing cap space away to a moody corner whose best days are behind him. Truth is we are fortunate that the league at large seems to hold him in high regard right now.

Also re: Durant the kid barely got a chance early on to contribute but he led the secondary in key metrics after only a handful of games. Disregarding him is silly. Rams hit on him, question is whether he can adjust to playing outside the hash in the NFL because you must be able to tackle. But worst case he will be a top slot corner for us.

Rams biggest problems are at safety. Ramsey could move to safety, but he's not gonna take a demotion from corner yet. He won't do that until it's obvious to everyone that his skills are gone. And his pay prevents a move to safety making sense.

Personally I am a big fan of Durant and his game. I think his aggressiveness and ball skills are required outside the hash, thus I see him as one of our boundary corners and I expect him to have a fantastic season in 2023. We hit on him IMO. What we need to do now is hit on another corner who can play outside the hash and we'll be good to go. Kendrick is simply too limited athletically and will end up in the slot. But he's got some really nice skills to him as well, in particular his ability to control the opponent when he's on top of him. Which is easier to accomplish in the slot and it is where you have resources around you.

Safety is very irritating to me. I don't know what Morris is looking for with those guys but hopefully we get back to having a duo who can switch it up to allow for playing pre-snap games with QBs. We might need two safeties.

This draft is probably going to be quite heavy in the secondary. Safety and Corner for sure, at a minimum, IMO. And we might see a FA safety as well given that there are guys on that FA list who can help us plus they're relative bargains during that window.