Rams Select Braden Fiske, DL at #39 Overall.

[JimY53]

I'll take most of my opinion on your posts to PM to save the board this back and forth. But let me say that it is not that it is some guy who studies tape bagging on the Rams. It is that a member of this forum keeps posting shit from people like that on this board.

Again, as I said people get offended over a guy who has a different opinion about Fiske? No one was ever harmed when reading a differing opinion. Knowledge is important.

 

[RamFan503]

Again, as I said people get offended over a guy who has a different opinion about Fiske? No one was ever harmed when reading a differing opinion. Knowledge is important.

Read the PM I sent you. If it was just this one character I wouldn't even bring it up. I might push back on it but so what. Bottom line is that I'm done debating this on this thread.

 

[Tumak61]

I think one of the things the Rams paid for was the chemistry between Fiske and Verse. I'm sure McVay has envisioned all the games they can run together to create pressure on the pocket. Fiske chases well. You need Tackles who can get to the sideline to stop all the quick screens outside and just be someone who never quits on a play. That can win you games, can be the difference. Fiske also attacks when you don't get a hat on him, he's not waiting, he's blowing into the backfield. He's going to be one of those guys fans love.

 

[JimY53]

I think one of the things the Rams paid for was the chemistry between Fiske and Verse.

I think there is proof that is true. McSnead said it. And it will be interesting on how they are deployed.

That was one of reasons I posted those two pieces. Both guys said the same thing about where Fiske will play. And I thought both were wrong. They were no considering head start those two would have when Rams run stunts up front.

Both of those guys, IMO, mischaracterized Fiske as a 3-tech-type. While he might be able to do it, I do not think Rams drafted him to play where both of them project him

Sure, I could be wrong but I think they will place Fiske a little further out than where Donald played and it would work well with being next to Verse.

And in passing situations, they can place them next to each other in a couple different ways.

They could isolate Verse and have him cross - just imagine the new guys in this 3x1

 

[WestCoastRam]

FWIW, I love the Rams but I like to have a realistic view of what they are and what they do.

I appreciate @JimY53 posting everything, how Fiske could work and succeed and opinions on why he won't.

Why he might be worth the trade up and why he might not be.

Nothing wrong with trying to see things clearly.

Oh, and F*CK THE 9ERS AND SEACHICKENS!

Edit: AZ be creepin' though

 

[TheTackle]

It’s worth noting that Snead is on record as saying they were planning on trading back for more picks but stuck when Blake Corum was available.

Draft picks are capital but great players help you win games.

If Fiske plays as much as we expect and helps us win games starting this year then its great use of capital. It’s the same for Corum. I was surprised by us trading up - and by us taking a RB as early as the 3rd - but couldn’t be happier with the players themselves. Both are studs

Bear in mind that near all prospects have some knocks on their ability or game but the best transcend limitations. I’d bet both Fiske and Corum are those kind of players


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[CGI_Ram]

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[Faceplant]

Both of those guys, IMO, mischaracterized Fiske as a 3-tech-type. While he might be able to do it, I do not think Rams drafted him to play where both of them project him

Sure, I could be wrong but I think they will place Fiske a little further out than where Donald played and it would work well with being next to Verse.

And in passing situations, they can place them next to each other in a couple different ways.

They could isolate Verse and have him cross - just imagine the new guys in this 3x1

I tend to agree with this. After watching some tape of the senior bowl (game and drills), I think they plan to use him creatively in the pass rush. He will need more lead in his pants to play inside IMO.

He kinda reminds me of a more compact Grant Wistrom, and if we get that level of performance from him, from wherever they play him, then the pick and what we gave up for it are more than worth it.

 

[Loyal]

I tend to agree with this. After watching some tape of the senior bowl (game and drills), I think they plan to use him creatively in the pass rush. He will need more lead in his pants to play inside IMO.

He kinda reminds me of a more compact Grant Wistrom, and if we get that level of performance from him, from wherever they play him, then the pick and what we gave up for it are more than worth it.

I remember Wistrom having a non-stop motor, but I wish he more sacks than he did. I remembering him hurrying the QB which was good, but I hope Fiske has a better career than Wistrom and never plays for the Seachickens!

 

[Merlin]

Well Wistrom gave us one epic year which happened to be a title season. So I will always appreciate him for that. We don't get 13 wins and the top seed without some of those explosive plays he delivered.

He was also a rangy athlete. Fiske is a different dude to my eye, thicker and short area burst. A lot more power and you feel it once he gets into a lineman's pads.

I think he is going to be a fine Ram. Tough and tenacious MFer who should fit our personalities in that DL room. This isn't the athletic upside type that Les seems to miss on. The dude plays like a badger.

 

[snackdaddy]

I also don't put much stock in the short arms thing. An inch and a half makes that big a difference? My wife might think so but it has nothing to do with football.

 

[Ramhusker]

I think there is proof that is true. McSnead said it. And it will be interesting on how they are deployed.

That was one of reasons I posted those two pieces. Both guys said the same thing about where Fiske will play. And I thought both were wrong. They were no considering head start those two would have when Rams run stunts up front.

Both of those guys, IMO, mischaracterized Fiske as a 3-tech-type. While he might be able to do it, I do not think Rams drafted him to play where both of them project him

Sure, I could be wrong but I think they will place Fiske a little further out than where Donald played and it would work well with being next to Verse.

And in passing situations, they can place them next to each other in a couple different ways.

They could isolate Verse and have him cross - just imagine the new guys in this 3x1

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This draft strategy was absolutely chemistry driven. And as far as where anybody lines up with this D just might shock some. It's going to be a Shula concoction and we have no idea what he might do. I'm thinking he'll have loose reins to invent, divert, or insert just about anything he likes. Of course, his past tutelage styles will certainly be in play.

 

[JimY53]

This draft strategy was absolutely chemistry driven. And as far as where anybody lines up with this D just might shock some. It's going to be a Shula concoction and we have no idea what he might do.

We have some idea because they have mentioned what they will do with Turner and we know what Brown II will do. But agree, we don't not know exactly --- there will be things we don't anticipate.

I'm thinking he'll have loose reins to invent, divert, or insert just about anything he likes.

To a degree. He has said the system will be the same structure -- I think that is the word he used, something like that, but yes he will put his stamp on it. Nothing is exactly the same, but it's fair to say basics will remain the same --- the 3-4 base, the 5-1 also ... 4-2-5 in passing downs,

But with Curl and Verse and Fiske there will be changes as to who does what

Of course, his past tutelage styles will certainly be in play.

Again, you're right he will draw on all of his past. He's tied to Staley in a couple of ways, though. So, basics will likely be Fangio-based but he will not be a 100% copycat of Fangio anymore that Staley was or others. Will be "Fangio family" if you will

There will be a lot the same plus plenty of surprises

 

[So Ram]

We have some idea because they have mentioned what they will do with Turner and we know what Brown II will do. But agree, we don't not know exactly --- there will be things we don't anticipate.


To a degree. He has said the system will be the same structure -- I think that is the word he used, something like that, but yes he will put his stamp on it. Nothing is exactly the same, but it's fair to say basics will remain the same --- the 3-4 base, the 5-1 also ... 4-2-5 in passing downs,

But with Curl and Verse and Fiske there will be changes as to who does what


Again, you're right he will draw on all of his past. He's tied to Staley in a couple of ways, though. So, basics will likely be Fangio-based but he will not be a 100% copycat of Fangio anymore that Staley was or others. Will be "Fangio family" if you will

There will be a lot the same plus plenty of surprises

Don’t forget a Big Part of Wade as well. I seem to be the only one thinking about what that is going to look like.I see it already. IMO - that is what will make the difference from the past couple seasons.

 

[So Ram]

I think there is proof that is true. McSnead said it. And it will be interesting on how they are deployed.

That was one of reasons I posted those two pieces. Both guys said the same thing about where Fiske will play. And I thought both were wrong. They were no considering head start those two would have when Rams run stunts up front.

Both of those guys, IMO, mischaracterized Fiske as a 3-tech-type. While he might be able to do it, I do not think Rams drafted him to play where both of them project him

Sure, I could be wrong but I think they will place Fiske a little further out than where Donald played and it would work well with being next to Verse.

And in passing situations, they can place them next to each other in a couple different ways.

They could isolate Verse and have him cross - just imagine the new guys in this 3x1

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IMO you’re WAY OFF !! First off AD99 was moved all over the place.
A lot of times he lined up where (Hoecht) Turner is lined up on your
screen.

From what I’ve heard & seen is B.Young will be were (AD99) you have Verse & Verse will replace Young & Fiske inside of him just like at FSU !! That’s the beauty of them playing next to each other.I don’t see that changing.

I do believe they can switch with B.Young being outside of Verse from time to time.There will be multiple lineups rotating in & out more than with Raheem Morris.

 

[JimY53]

Don’t forget a Big Part of Wade as well.

He was LB coach with Wade but was DC at John Carroll ... he and Staley alternated there ... and he was helping to make calls in 2022 as passing game DC then in 2022 as the DC of the pass rush, so while he will put his stamp on things ... he's said it will be same system as as has been done. It's going to be Fangio structure more than Wade because Fangio is more up-to-date and in line to stopping NFL defenses in 2024, not 2019

I seem to be the only one thinking about what that is going to look like.I see it already.

You are? The ONLY one?

if you say so.

Can you give some examples --- clearly?

 

[JimY53]

IMO you’re WAY OFF !!

Really? Way off?

First off AD99 was moved all over the place.

There was a reason for that. He was special.

From what I’ve heard & seen is B.Young will be were (AD99) you have Verse

Where have you heard and seen that? Can you show a picture?

& Verse will replace Young & Fiske inside of him just like at FSU !! That’s the beauty of them playing next to each other.I don’t see that changing.

It will change some. They are not just going to put those two next to each other all the time. It has to do with where they set the "3" side and the "1" side and who they want to isolate.

If they want to isolate Verse, they might not be next to each other in that situation. And they might even play Verse at defensive tackle at times in this 3x1

There are quite a few posibilities ---

I do believe they can switch with B.Young being outside of Verse from time to time.There will be multiple lineups rotating in & out more than with Raheem Morris.

Morris did a ton of different looks in this 3x1 --- there was not just one thing. Rams were 6th best in using stunts and games upfront
super creative in gamesa and weaves and stunts

Also:
At FSU they were not always on same side. They mixed it up
here are two quick exampls

 

[gogoat1]

Wrong. Why? Because I don't agree with the premise. I don't think Rams "severely" overpaid. I think they overpaid and it was worth it based on certain factors. I have said more than once it's not a big deal. That is made sense.


Wow. Exactly what I have been saying.


Some people like to read opposing opinions. Some do not. If you don't like them, don't engage by quoting. I engage people who engage me. If you don't want to, just ignore it.

This is a Rams board. Rams decisions are under scrutiny and that is topic for conversation. it's why all chat boards exist.

No one is making you read them. No one is making you form opinions that you've got nothing to gain from these talking heads. No one is making you say that the answer to who is right and who is wrong is unknowable at this point.

You posted those things.

If you don't care what talking heads have to say on the matter or if you've seen bad takes from smart people. If it means nothing to you, -- zero, zilch then zero and zilch should have been the number of times you quoted the original post.

IMO you are trying too hard to hide the fact that opposing views on this issue do matter. You're just more subtle than Memento. I think "Meh" and "Yawn" are not actually how you feel about this.

Amazing to me how people get so offended over nothing - a few posts that are not just sycophanticly pro-Rams.

"opposing views" do not matter at all. I mean zero.
If you think spending way too much time watching film of a game we have no control of "matters" you need to reassess things.
We all love the LA RAMS, but actually in real life it matters more to actually go out and do something. Get something tangible accomplished.
Life will pass us by if we spend to much time on things we have no control of and in the big picture, frivolous.

 

[JimY53]

"opposing views" do not matter at all. I mean zero.

Opposing views matter to me. I take in things intelligent people have to say. So the matter to me. Maybe not to you. There are a lot of smart people in the world and who cover the draft. People who know far more than you and knows far more than me.

To me, dismissing opposing view in life, in football, in business, in religion, whatever leads to extremism. Extremism is born of ignorance. Extremism is not something worthwhile.

We disagree. Knowlege is important to me and I get lots of knowledge from reading opposing views to augment my own understanding.

If you think spending way too much time watching film of a game we have no control of "matters" you need to reassess things.

No, I think I assess things properly for me. You can assess things for you. When people take time to learn they say fewer ignorant things and these guys who study college players -- we may disagree -- but we don't have any basis to challenge.

Again, we disagree. Knowlege is important to me and assessing film increases knowlege.

gogoat:1

We all love the LA RAMS, but actually in real life it matters more to actually go out and do something. Get something tangible accomplished.

You do you. You accomplish whatever you want. I will accomplish things that are tangible to me. It's probably not for you
to determine what is "tangible" for anyone but you.

We disagree. For me, knowledge is the essence of real life.

Life will pass us by if we spend to much time on things we have no control of and in the big picture, frivolous.

For someone who espouses a philosophy of not being able to control then why are you trying to control others by telling them
what matters? What is tangible? What people spend their time doing? What is or is not "frivolous".

Clearly, your opinion means something to you. Not to me. Zero.

But I support you saying it. Giving your opposing view is a net positive. I just reject it after considering it.

 

[So Ram]

He was LB coach with Wade but was DC at John Carroll ... he and Staley alternated there ... and he was helping to make calls in 2022 as passing game DC then in 2022 as the DC of the pass rush, so while he will put his stamp on things ... he's said it will be same system as as has been done. It's going to be Fangio structure more than Wade because Fangio is more up-to-date and in line to stopping NFL defenses in 2024, not 2019




You are? The ONLY one?

if you say so.

Can you give some examples --- clearly?

In this one I could be off ? I guess it depends on offenses ? There is going to be a lot more rotations The Rams use on defense.

I don’t really hear anyone talking about that ? Wade seemed to change players more often. I know against the Niners in 2019 it might have cost him his job having AD99 on the bench instead Smart(dumb).
The Rams will have better depth on defense & the rotations will give the defense an advantage ??