Rams Select Braden Fiske, DL at #39 Overall.

[So Ram]

Really? Way off?



There was a reason for that. He was special.



Where have you heard and seen that? Can you show a picture?



It will change some. They are not just going to put those two next to each other all the time. It has to do with where they set the "3" side and the "1" side and who they want to isolate.

If they want to isolate Verse, they might not be next to each other in that situation. And they might even play Verse at defensive tackle at times in this 3x1

There are quite a few posibilities ---

Morris did a ton of different looks in this 3x1 --- there was not just one thing. Rams were 6th best in using stunts and games upfront
super creative in gamesa and weaves and stunts

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Also:
At FSU they were not always on same side. They mixed it up
here are two quick exampls

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It shows Fiske’s Versility(lol) as a pass rusher. If your talking about looking at a depth chart that is The PICTURE!

Of course they are going to move players around,but Jared Verse will be Rushing from The RDE/OLB spot.At times of course you might see him on the other side,but that will be a Rarity.

Your example of the 3x1 maybe Fiske plays that AD99 role,or he is rotated out.Still you won’t see Jared Verse there very often.Yes moving Hoecht or most likely Young outside him or even Hoecht inside him.Of course others.

I guess looking at PFF,I’m wrong as far as depth chart goes from years past.Then again the best example for Verse would be when Von Miller was a Ram. Hollins was there before him & moved around later for depth & on the fly.
—Always thought Donte Fowler rushed more from the RDE spot as well ? I guess Ebukham changed that,but in 2018 Super Bowl I’ll say Fowler was on the Right Side . My memory might not be all that ?

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I also don't put much stock in the short arms thing. An inch and a half makes that big a difference? My wife might think so but it has nothing to do with football.

It can make a difference against certain linemen. But I think they have it reversed. Very long arms are more of an advantage than short arms are a disadvantage imo.

 

[PhillyRam]

BTW, anyone who wants to doubt how former college teammates can boost their productivity when playing together as pros, just watch the NY Knicks.

3 former Villanova players, just feed off each other for the Knicks. Last night I believe they combined for 79 points. As a big Nova fan, you can see their culture, hustle, and style of play being imposed on NY.

Now, obviously a different sport, but with two guys lining up next to each other on the DL, these guys know each other's strengths and weaknesses. That can really help them with the timing & types of line stunts they use and also just pushing each other as they have already mentioned.

They also can add to the culture in that DL room that lost 2 giants in Donald and coach Henderson.

 

[AvengerRam]

You know what I like about Fiske? He was targeted and selected by the same people who saw something in Kobie Turner, who most had rated as a Day 3 selection, only to have him make every all-rookie team and lead all rookies in sacks.

You know what I don't like about random guys on the internet who claim to watch a lot of film and then express opinions? No accountability or consequences for being wrong.

You know what I like about fans? Their ability to, notwithstanding their full understanding and recognition that there are no sure things, express hope for greatness with every move their team makes.

And that's all I have to say about that.

 

[gogoat1]

Opposing views matter to me. I take in things intelligent people have to say. So the matter to me. Maybe not to you. There are a lot of smart people in the world and who cover the draft. People who know far more than you and knows far more than me.

To me, dismissing opposing view in life, in football, in business, in religion, whatever leads to extremism. Extremism is born of ignorance. Extremism is not something worthwhile.

We disagree. Knowlege is important to me and I get lots of knowledge from reading opposing views to augment my own understanding.


No, I think I assess things properly for me. You can assess things for you. When people take time to learn they say fewer ignorant things and these guys who study college players -- we may disagree -- but we don't have any basis to challenge.

Again, we disagree. Knowlege is important to me and assessing film increases knowlege.


You do you. You accomplish whatever you want. I will accomplish things that are tangible to me. It's probably not for you
to determine what is "tangible" for anyone but you.

We disagree. For me, knowledge is the essence of real life.


For someone who espouses a philosophy of not being able to control then why are you trying to control others by telling them
what matters? What is tangible? What people spend their time doing? What is or is not "frivolous".

Clearly, your opinion means something to you. Not to me. Zero.

But I support you saying it. Giving your opposing view is a net positive. I just reject it after considering it.

I seem to have hit a nerve.
We all spend too much time online, every single one of us. Are there worse things to do, yup.
What did we do before the internet ? Went out and did things, went for walks, went fishing, build something, be creative, spent time with loved ones.
But there is no sense in getting a overblown opinion of what we do online. Being a Rams fan used to be about watching the games and buying newspapers to get info on them. I used to buy 3 newspapers a day just to try and get stuff on the Rams-Dodgers. And while doing that I read a whole bunch of other stuff in those newspapers. It had its good points.
The internet ended all of that. Lot more convenient and cheaper too.
But we now can get lost in it all.
When just going out and mowing the lawn gets more done.
I get up on the weekends and get on my computer and half the day or more is lit on fire-gone.
Every time I go out in the garage and work on my hot rod (69 GTO) I wish I had started sooner. I just feel better getting things done that matter.
In reality, this online stuff rarely does.
Back to the RAMS.
We got Fisk, I am glad and he will serve us well. Great draft . How much did he cost, does not matter at this point, he is ours.
Take care.

 

[JimY53]

I seem to have hit a nerve.

Well, it seems directed to me. If not, then no problem. If you are saying life is full of nonsense and distractions --- I'd agree.

Rams have always been a hobby, a serious hobby. But in big picture ... yeah, it means zero. And thus, what others say about Rams means zero. That would apply to Rams boards, Lakers boards, Dodgers boards and so on. I get that. It's true,

My Rams obsession does not feed my family, it does not make my life "better'. It's just something I enjoy. I am not a movie watcher, I only watch when roped into it by others. Same with TV. So I have sports and woodworking and riding ATVs. None of those mean all that much either.

I took your comments to mean the Fiske situation and that the views of people other than Rams fans didn't matter. And that was what I was disagreeing on. Recently was getting some vibes that some Rams-related materiel wasn't appreciated and I am of the view that those who want to -- read it. Those who don't -- don't.

 

[JimY53]

Of course they are going to move players around,but Jared Verse will be Rushing from The RDE/OLB spot.At times of course you might see him on the other side,but that will be a Rarity.

We don't know that. My point is it is possible, but Rams 3-4 OLBers and DEs (base and nickel) have not been left and right --- not under Phillips, not under Staley and not recently.

Could it happen? Maybe. Might they use strong side and weak side? Maybe they think Verse is stronger and more powerful (he is) and want him on the side of the tight end. So if TE is to defense's left, then Verse would be left. And Vice Verse-a (see what I did)

So let me be clear --- I don't know how the OLBers and nickel DEs will be deployed --- and that means just because Verse was on the right in college --- does not mean he will be on the right in the NFL. He could usually be on the boundary, for example. Or on strong side. Or always on the right.

My opinion is the last one is the least likely. But it *could* happen.

Your example of the 3x1 maybe Fiske plays that AD99 role,or he is rotated out.

That is serious doubt. I don't see him as the isolated "1" in the 3x1. That's for the best pass rusher. We won't see Turner there much, if ever, nor Fiske.

In football you never say never --- but I see it differently.

Still you won’t see Jared Verse there very often.

Again, not sure what you are basing that one. But my opinion is we might. There are many options.

I guess looking at PFF,I’m wrong as far as depth chart goes from years past.Then again the best example for Verse would be when Von Miller was a Ram. Hollins was there before him & moved around later for depth & on the fly.

Miller played both sides, depending on the call. With Rams it was 57% Left side, 43% right side. Playoffs was close to 50-50

—Always thought Donte Fowler rushed more from the RDE spot as well ? I guess Ebukham changed that,but in 2018 Super Bowl I’ll say Fowler was on the Right Side . My memory might not be all that ?

Rams didn't do left- and right. Fowler was around 53% right, 47% left in his full year with Rams ... year before with Rams maybe 67% right, 33% left.

As I said--I don't know.

But the ways OLBers are deployed
left/right
strong/weak based on TE
strong/weak based on 3 receiver side
Boundary field

and with Donald --- there could have been undetectable ways... like away from the 3-tech. To the 3-tech's side.

I don't think we know that Verse will be exclusively right side and Fiske next to him to the exclusion of all else. That's my take.

 

[JimY53]

In this one I could be off ? I guess it depends on offenses ? There is going to be a lot more rotations The Rams use on defense.

I don’t really hear anyone talking about that ? Wade seemed to change players more often. I know against the Niners in 2019 it might have cost him his job having AD99 on the bench instead Smart(dumb).
The Rams will have better depth on defense & the rotations will give the defense an advantage ??

Well, let's see.

I'll just say this, Rams have had tendencies over the last several years and Shula has several mentors --- I simply thing basic structure and system remains. But Shula puts his own stamp on it to some degree.

The degree of the stamp? I think that's not known yet. We'll see in preseason.

 

[So Ram]

Well, let's see.

I'll just say this, Rams have had tendencies over the last several years and Shula has several mentors --- I simply thing basic structure and system remains. But Shula puts his own stamp on it to some degree.

The degree of the stamp? I think that's not known yet. We'll see in preseason.

I’ll contend Verse stays 70% rushing from the Right side. It will be fun to watch the preseason first to see the depth.

 

[TheTackle]

I’ll contend Verse stays 70% rushing from the Right side. It will be fun to watch the preseason first to see the depth.

If an opponent's RT (as opposed to their LT) struggles against power why wouldn't we put Verse on that side?

It's the same for Fiske. If he is more likely to be neutralised by an opponent's LG, perhaps because that is usually the premium pass blocker or maybe due to them getting into his body based on superior arm length, wouldn't you switch him?

Part of their success will rely on moving them around to take advantage of miss-matches - something an OL typically cannot do - and we have two key players, in Kobie and Young, whose athleticism and motor can help that happen

That said, especially on first down, perhaps we play Verse and Fiske on the left to set a hard edge and force plays back inside.

It's a little too early to know but all the above will factor in

 

[Corbin]

He actually calls himself a Rams fan and Dodgers fan. Not sure what kind of Rams fan has a framed Kittle and Metcalf jersey. Seems pretty whack to me.

Stu settle down! We know you wear your Whiners GrabAPole jersey around the house!

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Well, it seems directed to me. If not, then no problem. If you are saying life is full of nonsense and distractions --- I'd agree.

Rams have always been a hobby, a serious hobby. But in big picture ... yeah, it means zero. And thus, what others say about Rams means zero. That would apply to Rams boards, Lakers boards, Dodgers boards and so on. I get that. It's true,

My Rams obsession does not feed my family, it does not make my life "better'. It's just something I enjoy. I am not a movie watcher, I only watch when roped into it by others. Same with TV. So I have sports and woodworking and riding ATVs. None of those mean all that much either.

I took your comments to mean the Fiske situation and that the views of people other than Rams fans didn't matter. And that was what I was disagreeing on. Recently was getting some vibes that some Rams-related materiel wasn't appreciated and I am of the view that those who want to -- read it. Those who don't -- don't.

I admittedly don’t read all provided content citing outside sources. I’m busy this time of year and don’t always have the time. All contributions are appreciated by the mods, I’m sure.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Fiske signed his rookie contract today.

 

[Memphis Ram]

View: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1789062386751619356

 

[hotanez]

Fiske signed his rookie contract today.

View: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1789062386751619356

I thought the Rams sign all their rookies on the same day

 

[Ramhusker]

I thought the Rams sign all their rookies on the same day

I think the whole NIL game might have changed that.

 

[Allen2McVay]

I thought the Rams sign all their rookies on the same day

For a number of years, they announced the draft class signings on a single day but I believe they moved-off that in recent years. Timely signing a draft class used to be a big deal but with the rookie wage scale, there's much less to negotiate; and it's really not much of a thing anymore.

I almost didn't even post about Fiske's signing.

 

[RamFan503]

Stu settle down! We know you wear your Whiners GrabAPole jersey around the house!

Even in blue font thems fighting words.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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Damn, that's pretty good money for a 2nd round pick.

Let's hope it's cheap for how well he will play.

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[Mackeyser]

I thought the Rams sign all their rookies on the same day

That was a relic of Fisher in order to combat rookies flush with cash doing stupid shit. So he set it up so they went thru the full onboarding including bringing in vets and NFL staff to counsel these rookies about NOT dropping all their dough on a car, momma’s house, big parties or making it rain. At the time, there’d been a rash of rookies doing stupid shit and I give full credit to Fisher because it was maybe the best organizational thing he did as HC.

McVay kept it for awhile and once he and Les Snead and Kevin Demoff felt confident that it wasn’t necessary anymore, they stopped.