Rams leveraged compensatory formula in their team build (Updated)

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Rams appear in position for 4 more comp picks in 2023

The results are nearly in!

By Kenneth Arthur May 2, 2022
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On Monday, teams can sign free agents without the moves being calculated into the compensatory pick formula. That’s why Tyrann Mathieu chose to sign with the New Orleans Saints on Monday, over the Los Angeles Rams and other teams, because franchises were waiting until after the draft before entertaining a contract for him and other like free agents.

With the comp formula all but set, how many extra picks does that mean for the Rams in 2023? It looks like four will be the magic number.

According to OvertheCap.com, the Rams should receive fifth round picks for the losses of Darious Williams (Jaguars) and Austin Corbett (Panthers), a sixth round pick for Sebastian Joseph-Day (Chargers), and a seventh for Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (Texans).

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Williams signed a three-year, $30 million contract in Jacksonville, while Corbett got three years and $26.25 million in Carolina.

The Rams would actually not receive a comp pick for the loss of Von Miller, who signed a six-year, $120 million deal with the Bills, because it was offset by the signing of Allen Robinson.

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The Rams do not have their 2023 first round pick (Matthew Stafford) of 2023 fourth rounder (Sony Michel), but Les Snead has extra picks in the sixth (Robert Woods to Titans, Corey Bojorquez to Packers) and it appears that L.A.’s total number of 2023 draft picks could be a total of 11.
 

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I think it would be 11 minus one, because of the fifth dealt to Cleveland for Troy Hill.

Of course, if our DC is picked up as a HC, they will add a couple of third rounders (one in each of the next two years), so that's not a bad addition.

Currently, with compensatory projections, we would have:
2 (ours)
3 (ours)
5c - DWill
5c - Corbett
6 (Tenn for RWoods)
6 (GB - for Bojorquez and our 7th)
6 (ours)
6c - Joseph-Day
7 (Det - Brockers)
7c - Obo

Our 1st is gone for Stafford, our fourth is gone for Michel and our fifth is gone for Troy Hill.
 

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They have it figured out pretty well. The biggest thing other than receiving a comp pick is the ability to trade it. That change helps a team that constantly gets multiple comps.
 

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I think it would be 11 minus one, because of the fifth dealt to Cleveland for Troy Hill.

Of course, if our DC is picked up as a HC, they will add a couple of third rounders (one in each of the next two years), so that's not a bad addition.

Currently, with compensatory projections, we would have:
2 (ours)
3 (ours)
5c - DWill
5c - Corbett
6 (Tenn for RWoods)
6 (GB - for Bojorquez and our 7th)
6 (ours)
6c - Joseph-Day
7 (Det - Brockers)
7c - Obo

Our 1st is gone for Stafford, our fourth is gone for Michel and our fifth is gone for Troy Hill.
Very high chance that DC Morris will not be overlooked next season like he was this off-season. I expect that Snead will be awarded two 3rd rd comp selections in 2023 & 2024 when Morris is named HC.

Then if that was not enough teams will be very interested in McVay's Assistant Head Coach who has been with McVay for 4 seasons on the offensive side of the ball, 2 of which as the Rams Assistant HC. I would bet that Brown will get a very quick offer. This would also in addition award the Rams another set of 3rd rd selections in 2023 & 2024.

How would Snead act if he had his original 2nd rd picks in 2023/2024 & three 3rd rd'ers in the 2023 & 2024 drafts after sitting almost all of the first two days of this year's draft?
 
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Very high chance that DC Morris will not be overlooked next season like he was this off-season. I expect that Snead will be awarded two 3rd rd comp selections in 2023 & 2024 when Morris is named HC.

Then if that was not enough teams will be very interested in McVay's Assistant Head Coach who has been with McVay for 4 seasons on the offensive side of the ball, 2 of which as the Rams Assistant HC. I would bet that Brown will get a very quick offer. This would also in addition award the Rams another set of 3rd rd selections in 2023 & 2024.

How would Snead act if he had three 2nd rd'ers & three 3rd rd'ers in the 2023 draft after sitting almost all of the first two days of this year's draft?
Boniface,
Did I miss something? How do we end up with three 2nd rounders in the 2023 draft?
Thanks,

~ArkyRamsFan~
 

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Boniface,
Did I miss something? How do we end up with three 2nd rounders in the 2023 draft?
Thanks,

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My mistake in getting tangled up with that number 2 ....that's why I married a banker. You folks up there in Arkansas don't miss much! I love Northwestern Arkansas :startstruck:

I was pondering the future possibilities that could take place with the awarded selections.

DC Morris is a minority, so if the Rams lost Morris next season being promoted to an HC the Rams would receive a third-round compensatory pick in both the 2023 NFL draft and the 2024 NFL draft for losing Morris.

Assistant Head Coach Brown is a minority, so if the Rams lost Brown when this upcoming season concludes & Brown is promoted to an HC the Rams would receive a third-round compensatory pick in both the 2023 NFL draft and the 2024 NFL draft for losing Brown.

Those FOUR 3rd round picks will come after the compensatory picks that are awarded to teams for losing free agent players. There are no 2nd round selections being awarded by the NFL.

So now I will ask the question again now that I fixed it.......How would Snead act if he had his original 2nd rd picks in 2023/2024 & three 3rd rd'ers in the 2023 & 2024 drafts after sitting almost all of the first two days of this year's draft?
 
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The NFL should change its process for compensatory draft awards

The Rams have benefited greatly from this system, which is also a sign it’s not working as intended

By JB Scott Jun 22, 2022
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The time has come for the NFL to make changes to its compensatory selection award process.

It’s a matter of good idea, bad execution - and the NFL isn’t the only major sports league that follows this approach. The MLB also awards teams additional draft capital for losing players via free agency or qualifying offers, and the league can reduce draft capital for teams that spend in excess of the luxury tax limits.

The driving idea behind these compensatory draft awards is that smaller market teams may not have the cash or ability to attract players in free agency, and the league gives them additional draft capital in order to maintain competitive balance.

But in practice that’s not how it works in the NFL, or at least that’s not how things have shaken out in recent years.

Teams like the Los Angeles Rams have leveraged the compensatory formula in their team build, and wisely so. LA prioritizes signing players that have been released versus entering free agency with an expiring contract - Leonard Floyd, Eric Weddle, Ndamukong Suh, Bobby Wagner, and others are examples. With owner Stan Kroenke’s deep pockets and the draw of the Los Angeles market, the Rams are able to recruit the top talent available. The result has been a star-studded roster and a 2021 Super Bowl ring.

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The rules of the system are in plain sight and the Rams use them to their advantage - it’s objective and completely fair. If the formula regularly rewards large market teams with cash to burn, do the rules then need changed?

And this is not meant to make the Rams out to be the bad guys - they are not alone. If the intent is to restore competitive balance within the NFL, why do the compensatory draft picks seem to be consistently awarded to the best teams?

2022 Compensatory Awards​

Based on free agency spending in 2021​

The following teams were awarded multiple compensatory choices ahead of the 2022 NFL Draft, with the notation of their record in 2020.

Of the 31 total picks outlined above, a solid majority went to teams that won at least 8 games (18 or 58%). If you count the Chargers at 7-9, who also have the Los Angeles market to recruit top talent, the percentage jumps to 75%.

The Lions were awarded 3 compensatory selections for the 2021 draft, but where were the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Cincinnati Bengals, the Houston Texans, or the Minnesota Vikings? These are all smaller market teams that you’d expect the compensatory formula to benefit as a means of restoring competitive balance, but they are notably absent from the list.
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Logan Bruss (OG), was a compensatory selection for the Rams this offseason. Bruss will compete for the starting job at RG, according to Sean McVay and Les Snead.

2023 Compensatory Awards**​

Based on free agency spending in 2022​

**Projected via OverTheCap.com

The following teams are projected to earn multiple compensatory choices ahead of the 2023 NFL Draft, with the notation of their record in 2021.

  • Arizona Cardinals: 3rd round, 5th round, 6th round (3); 11-6
  • Dallas Cowboys: 4th round, 2 6th round (3); 12-5
  • New England Patriots: 3rd round, 6th round (2); 10-7
  • New York Giants: 5th round, 7th round (2); 4-13
  • Kansas City Chiefs: 2 6th round (2); 12-5
  • Las Vegas Raiders: 5th round, 2 7th round (3); 10-7
  • Los Angeles Rams: 2 5th round, 6th round, 7th round (4); 12-5
  • Minnesota Vikings: 2 6th round (2); 8-9
  • San Francisco 49ers: 5th round, 6th round, 7th round (3); 10-7
  • Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 5th round, 7th round (2); 13-4
  • Washington Commodes: 3rd round, 6th round (2); 7-10
28 projected compensatory selections are listed above, with 24 picks (86%) slated to go to teams that won at least 8 games this past season.

What’s changed?​

Savvy teams understand the benefit of gaming the compensatory selection formula, and for the most part these additional draft picks are being distributed to already well-run organizations.

While these draft choices are intended to level the playing field and restore competitive balance, in recent years they have only widened the gap between the have’s and have not’s. Teams like the Rams and Cowboys use their large markets and deep pockets to attract the best talent - and year in and year out they stretch the salary cap to its maximum constraints.

Meanwhile the organizations at the bottom of the barrel seem to stay there, and the Jaguars, Lions, and Texans are still swirling the drain.

Is the system fixable?​

The NFL has awarded compensatory picks since 1994, though the idea of approaching free agency with the intention of maximizing future draft capital seems to be new. The disparity in outcomes is probably not enough to warrant ending the practice altogether, but changes need to be made in order to strike a balance.

Should the NFL begin accounting for a team’s win/loss record in the compensatory formula? The draft is mostly a crapshoot even for the most adept organizations, so why not give the worst teams more darts to throw?

One of the most exciting aspects of professional football is the parity that occurs year in and year out. Each season comes with a renewed sense of optimism, even for teams that had no shot at contention a year ago.

The way to grow the game is to ensure this parity continues to take place, and perhaps even throw gasoline on the fire. Giving the bad teams a nudge could help them turnaround their roster build quicker - and it would make the NFL more competitive overall.
 

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I am in total disagreement with the above post.

It states it was authored by JB Scott @ SBNATION. The author might be a blogger. I found it interesting.

The article is suggesting the NFL needs to make changes to the Compensatory Selection Award's Process & using the LA Rams Organization as the reason & basis for this suggestion.

While IMO, Rams with Snead are doing great business & maximizing the system under the current NFL rules just screams SMART.
 
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I am in total disagreement with the above post.

It states it was authored by JB Scott @ SBNATION. The author might be a blogger. I found it interesting.

The article is suggesting the NFL needs to make changes to the Compensatory Selection Award's Process & using the LA Rams Organization as the reason & basis for this suggestion.

While IMO, Rams with Snead are doing great business & maximizing the system under the current NFL rules just screams SMART.
Exactly. So let's reward shitty management practices and poorly run franchises and penalize the well run organizations. Idiocy!

And WTF is Jacksonville's problem. Kahn has VERY deep pockets.

The Rams are using a rule to some advantage. Yeah... So? He fails to mention big market teams like NY (both), Chicago, Houston, etc are not.

I'm guessing dude is not a Rams fan.
 

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The NFL should change its process for compensatory draft awards

The Rams have benefited greatly from this system, which is also a sign it’s not working as intended

By JB Scott Jun 22, 2022
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The time has come for the NFL to make changes to its compensatory selection award process.

It’s a matter of good idea, bad execution - and the NFL isn’t the only major sports league that follows this approach. The MLB also awards teams additional draft capital for losing players via free agency or qualifying offers, and the league can reduce draft capital for teams that spend in excess of the luxury tax limits.

The driving idea behind these compensatory draft awards is that smaller market teams may not have the cash or ability to attract players in free agency, and the league gives them additional draft capital in order to maintain competitive balance.

But in practice that’s not how it works in the NFL, or at least that’s not how things have shaken out in recent years.

Teams like the Los Angeles Rams have leveraged the compensatory formula in their team build, and wisely so. LA prioritizes signing players that have been released versus entering free agency with an expiring contract - Leonard Floyd, Eric Weddle, Ndamukong Suh, Bobby Wagner, and others are examples. With owner Stan Kroenke’s deep pockets and the draw of the Los Angeles market, the Rams are able to recruit the top talent available. The result has been a star-studded roster and a 2021 Super Bowl ring.

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The rules of the system are in plain sight and the Rams use them to their advantage - it’s objective and completely fair. If the formula regularly rewards large market teams with cash to burn, do the rules then need changed?

And this is not meant to make the Rams out to be the bad guys - they are not alone. If the intent is to restore competitive balance within the NFL, why do the compensatory draft picks seem to be consistently awarded to the best teams?

2022 Compensatory Awards​

Based on free agency spending in 2021​

The following teams were awarded multiple compensatory choices ahead of the 2022 NFL Draft, with the notation of their record in 2020.

Of the 31 total picks outlined above, a solid majority went to teams that won at least 8 games (18 or 58%). If you count the Chargers at 7-9, who also have the Los Angeles market to recruit top talent, the percentage jumps to 75%.

The Lions were awarded 3 compensatory selections for the 2021 draft, but where were the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Cincinnati Bengals, the Houston Texans, or the Minnesota Vikings? These are all smaller market teams that you’d expect the compensatory formula to benefit as a means of restoring competitive balance, but they are notably absent from the list.
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Logan Bruss (OG), was a compensatory selection for the Rams this offseason. Bruss will compete for the starting job at RG, according to Sean McVay and Les Snead.

2023 Compensatory Awards**​

Based on free agency spending in 2022​

**Projected via OverTheCap.com

The following teams are projected to earn multiple compensatory choices ahead of the 2023 NFL Draft, with the notation of their record in 2021.

  • Arizona Cardinals: 3rd round, 5th round, 6th round (3); 11-6
  • Dallas Cowboys: 4th round, 2 6th round (3); 12-5
  • New England Patriots: 3rd round, 6th round (2); 10-7
  • New York Giants: 5th round, 7th round (2); 4-13
  • Kansas City Chiefs: 2 6th round (2); 12-5
  • Las Vegas Raiders: 5th round, 2 7th round (3); 10-7
  • Los Angeles Rams: 2 5th round, 6th round, 7th round (4); 12-5
  • Minnesota Vikings: 2 6th round (2); 8-9
  • San Francisco 49ers: 5th round, 6th round, 7th round (3); 10-7
  • Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 5th round, 7th round (2); 13-4
  • Washington Commodes: 3rd round, 6th round (2); 7-10
28 projected compensatory selections are listed above, with 24 picks (86%) slated to go to teams that won at least 8 games this past season.

What’s changed?​

Savvy teams understand the benefit of gaming the compensatory selection formula, and for the most part these additional draft picks are being distributed to already well-run organizations.

While these draft choices are intended to level the playing field and restore competitive balance, in recent years they have only widened the gap between the have’s and have not’s. Teams like the Rams and Cowboys use their large markets and deep pockets to attract the best talent - and year in and year out they stretch the salary cap to its maximum constraints.

Meanwhile the organizations at the bottom of the barrel seem to stay there, and the Jaguars, Lions, and Texans are still swirling the drain.

Is the system fixable?​

The NFL has awarded compensatory picks since 1994, though the idea of approaching free agency with the intention of maximizing future draft capital seems to be new. The disparity in outcomes is probably not enough to warrant ending the practice altogether, but changes need to be made in order to strike a balance.

Should the NFL begin accounting for a team’s win/loss record in the compensatory formula? The draft is mostly a crapshoot even for the most adept organizations, so why not give the worst teams more darts to throw?

One of the most exciting aspects of professional football is the parity that occurs year in and year out. Each season comes with a renewed sense of optimism, even for teams that had no shot at contention a year ago.

The way to grow the game is to ensure this parity continues to take place, and perhaps even throw gasoline on the fire. Giving the bad teams a nudge could help them turnaround their roster build quicker - and it would make the NFL more competitive overall.
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There are certain sites and writers that are SO quantity-of-content-driven, that I just have to pass-on-reading.

Theses sources throw anything and everything against-the-wall. Quantity is often not Quality in-my-opinion.

When I see certain writers' names. I immediately move-on ... regardless of whether the content is pro-Rams.

JB Scott and Kenneth Arthur are on this list of writers for me. Bret Stuter is at the top of that list.
 

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Yeah that article is bullshit, the comp system works perfectly in multiple ways. First off, this line....

why do the compensatory draft picks seem to be consistently awarded to the best teams?

Because the best teams always get poached year after year by other teams... usually shit managed teams... because they think over paying for an OLBer who benefitted from playing next to AD is a good idea... as an example. But it happens every year, free agents get stupid contracts from teams and it's usually players that were on good teams being signed by lesser teams in hopes that they get the same performance.

Also, another benefit is it gives teams incentive to sign aging veterans. And could be argued was part of the reason the Rams lost Von Miller thus losing talent. Buffalo is a lesser market but they decided it was worth spending premium money on an aging vet. Rams decided it was better to spend less money on a WR they really liked and not hurt their comp pick by signing a less coveted aging LBer who could help in a different way. Maybe it pays off for Buffalo... but if Rams win another SB or go farther than Bills are they abusing a system or just being smarter?

Either way, the system is there for everyone. Whine some more because a lot of GMs/owners are morons.
 

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Yeah that article is bullshit, the comp system works perfectly in multiple ways. First off, this line....

why do the compensatory draft picks seem to be consistently awarded to the best teams?

Because the best teams always get poached year after year by other teams... usually shit managed teams... because they think over paying ...
Absolutely!

Also, the 'best teams' have the best players because they have drafted and developed better.
As a result, the 'best teams' are pushed-up against the salary cap, and can't re-sign all their good players.
Therefore, the 'best teams' lose good players in free agency to teams with cap space but few good players.

Who doesn't know this?
Answer: People who don't closely follow the game, or are casual fans. That is, the readers JB Scott caters to.
 

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The perennial shitty teams that spend a gazillion FA dollars and draft in the top 5 are clearly doing things the right way
 

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My mistake in getting tangled up with that number 2 ....that's why I married a banker. You folks up there in Arkansas don't miss much! I love Northwestern Arkansas :startstruck:

I was pondering the future possibilities that could take place with the awarded selections.

DC Morris is a minority, so if the Rams lost Morris next season being promoted to an HC the Rams would receive a third-round compensatory pick in both the 2023 NFL draft and the 2024 NFL draft for losing Morris.

Assistant Head Coach Brown is a minority, so if the Rams lost Brown when this upcoming season concludes & Brown is promoted to an HC the Rams would receive a third-round compensatory pick in both the 2023 NFL draft and the 2024 NFL draft for losing Brown.

Those FOUR 3rd round picks will come after the compensatory picks that are awarded to teams for losing free agent players. There are no 2nd round selections being awarded by the NFL.

So now I will ask the question again now that I fixed it.......How would Snead act if he had his original 2nd rd picks in 2023/2024 & three 3rd rd'ers in the 2023 & 2024 drafts after sitting almost all of the first two days of this year's draft?
He’d be killing it in the NFL version of Wheel of Fortune.
 

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Rams rank 27th in future salary cap health


Cameron DaSilva /June 23, 2022
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With all the stars the Rams have on their team, they’ve had to do some gymnastics to stay under the cap and field the best team possible. It’s a task Les Snead, Sean McVay and the entire front office have completed to near-perfection – just look at the Super Bowl they won as evidence – but it definitely is a challenge year in and year out.

Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey, Matthew Stafford, Cooper Kupp, Allen Robinson and Bobby Wagner are all under contract for the next three-plus years, and their contracts are not cheap. So the Rams will need to find players who are relatively cheap to complement those stars and fill out the roster, which they’ve done for the last four years or so.

In terms of their future salary cap health, the Rams aren’t in the best shape based on Pro Football Focus’ analysis. According to PFF, the Rams are only 27th in that department.

The study accounts for five categories: active draft capital (current rookie contracts), effective cap space in 2022-2024, total prorated money, top 51 veteran valuation and 2023 free agent projections.

Here’s where the Rams rank in each category.

  • Active draft capital: 30th
  • 2022-2024 effective cap space: 30th
  • Total prorated money: 29th
  • Top 51 veteran valuation: 7th
  • 2023 UFA valuation: 16th
Even if the Rams aren’t able to sign big-name free agents in the coming years because of the stars they already have, they’ve proved capable of overcoming such difficulties – and they’ve still managed to sign players such as Robinson and Wagner.

So they may not have as much cap space or draft capital as other teams, but the top of their roster is one of the best in the NFL for the next few