Rams Injury Updates 2020

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oldnotdead said:
Speed isn't Reeder's issue. His problem has always been quickness and agility and dropping weight isn't going to help that enough. Dropping weight will limit his versatility. Give the guy a break it's clear he's thinking his way through the season. As he gains experience his reaction time will improve as his ability to read speeds up. I've liked Reeder since he was a rookie and said as much. He's shown himself to be a pretty good rotational guy. His pass coverage skills aren't up to par yet but that is a coachable issue. Both he and Kiser should improve in coverage skills next year as a lot has to do with simply experience. One thing is evident is that Reeder isn't getting washed out of plays as much as last year. That is an example of applying lessons learned from the previous year. It's clear to me Reeder has a bit more upside than Hager. Reeder is a much bigger man than Hager who was an undersized ILB converted from a safety. That said Reeder timed the same in the 40 at 4.6 as Hager.
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Turning and covering a receiver aren't skills you can teach a guy who's is very slow at changing direction.
 
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I've seen film of this guy and he's more athletic than most believe. When I watch him play he's a step or two slow to react because he is still mentally processing what he's seeing. This is his first extended action so it takes a while for players to acclimate to the NFL and begin to play instinctively. I've watched him begin his development and he's improved each game. Last Sunday might have been his breakout game. One game and he had 3 sacks, 2 TFL, 8 solo tackles, 3 asst, 3 QB hits all on 48 snaps. The guy can play and has improved each week. Last week he played and at least one of those coverages was one which he picked up because a DB dropped coverage and he minimized the YAC.

Kiser, Young, and now Reeder have shown they can play ILB in the NFL. Behind them, on the PS they have Moncrief and Rozeboom, both of whom look like they also can play in the NFL. IMO the Rams are ok this year at ILB, and frankly, I don't see the issue that most people are moaning about.

Also, IMO it's the way they are being coached to play Staley's scheme. The Rams don't routinely aggressively cover the short zone unless it's on their side of the field, which is a huge bone of contention with me. No Reeder isn't a JAG, he's a developing player who is looking like a solid rotational ILB at a very tough position, i.e. MIKE.
 
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oldnotdead said:
I've seen film of this guy and he's more athletic than most believe.
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I've also seen film of this guy, and he's really not. I watched him get relentlessly torched in coverage last year and this year. He's a major liability there. I've watched him struggle to run sideline to sideline and change directions. Micah Kiser is an underrated athlete. His change of direction skills aren't great, but he can run. Reeder doesn't possess either change of direction skills or football speed. I don't want to hate on a guy who is a backup and has stepped in and done his job well enough, but he's not a guy I want starting. Staley is going to be forced to hide him in order to avoid opposing offenses exploiting his weaknesses.
 
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We are talking about playing the MIKE not SS. His role as an ILB MIKE is primarily against the run, and to provide an occasional inside blitzer. He's a big LB, not a DB. In pass coverage, his role is in the zone, and the way Staley plays his zones most of the LBs and safeties are 10 yds off the LOS so he's not expected to provide man coverage normally. In zone coverage LBs play a downhill style of coverage, to close on the receiver in the terminal phase of the route. The MIKE generally plays a bit closer to cover the A gaps, and to flow to either side to cover the flats. So all this stuff about not having DB agility is moot. Now if we were talking a man coverage scheme that would be different. But within Staley's conservative zone scheme his athleticism is fine. Kiser isn't a man coverage MIKE by any means as well. Traditional MIKEs are bigger ILBs because the primary role is against the run on early downs and draws or scrambles on passing downs with occasional blitz responsibilities.

One of the problems with the Rams prior to Reeder and Kiser, was undersized MIKEs who were safety tweeners. They lacked the size to be strong at the POA to take on a block and stack and shed. I'm fine with them moving to a bigger MIKE who also has safety speed to play sideline to sideline which is his role. The MO ILB is generally the coverage LB in this type of scheme. That would be Young or Howard who is basically those tweener types of players. This is why I've always contended that with all the SS this team has, it really doesn't need 4 ILBs on its roster to play the scheme. A third safety would suffice.

The bottom line Kiser is 6' tall but stout at 244 lbs with 4.6 speed. Reeder is 6'3", runs a 4.6 at 245 lbs. Kenny Young is 6'1 at 234 also runs a 4.6. Young is the prototypical size and weight for a MO coverage LB with SS build and speed. This is all about being scheme fits for their role. All of them have good speed for their positions. Under Wade's man coverage scheme, ILBs were tasked with man coverage of RBs and TEs so they needed to have DB level agility, but not so in Staley's zone scheme. Therefore, IMO Reeder's agility should be measured against the role of the scheme and position he plays.
 
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oldnotdead said:
We are talking about playing the MIKE not SS. His role as an ILB MIKE is primarily against the run, and to provide an occasional inside blitzer. He's a big LB, not a DB. In pass coverage, his role is in the zone, and the way Staley plays his zones most of the LBs and safeties are 10 yds off the LOS so he's not expected to provide man coverage normally. In zone coverage LBs play a downhill style of coverage, to close on the receiver in the terminal phase of the route. The MIKE generally plays a bit closer to cover the A gaps, and to flow to either side to cover the flats. So all this stuff about not having DB agility is moot. Now if we were talking a man coverage scheme that would be different. But within Staley's conservative zone scheme his athleticism is fine. Kiser isn't a man coverage MIKE by any means as well. Traditional MIKEs are bigger ILBs because the primary role is against the run on early downs and draws or scrambles on passing downs with occasional blitz responsibilities.

One of the problems with the Rams prior to Reeder and Kiser, was undersized MIKEs who were safety tweeners. They lacked the size to be strong at the POA to take on a block and stack and shed. I'm fine with them moving to a bigger MIKE who also has safety speed to play sideline to sideline which is his role. The MO ILB is generally the coverage LB in this type of scheme. That would be Young or Howard who is basically those tweener types of players. This is why I've always contended that with all the SS this team has, it really doesn't need 4 ILBs on its roster to play the scheme. A third safety would suffice.

The bottom line Kiser is 6' tall but stout at 244 lbs with 4.6 speed. Reeder is 6'3", runs a 4.6 at 245 lbs. Kenny Young is 6'1 at 234 also runs a 4.6. Young is the prototypical size and weight for a MO coverage LB with SS build and speed. This is all about being scheme fits for their role. All of them have good speed for their positions. Under Wade's man coverage scheme, ILBs were tasked with man coverage of RBs and TEs so they needed to have DB level agility, but not so in Staley's zone scheme. Therefore, IMO Reeder's agility should be measured against the role of the scheme and position he plays.
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It’s not like the larger Mike types with decent coverage ability and sideline to sideline speed do not exist. There are several in the NFL already and one of those types would be a big improvement in this defense.
 
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What's the easiest he can return? 8th week?
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Sounds like he could come back now technically. But sounds like they have three weeks to decide whether he's going to play or not.

Players on the NFI list are subject to the same rules as players on the Physically Unable to Perform list, which are as follows:

Players on the PUP list may not practice or play the first six weeks of the season. After the sixth week, the player must be allowed to return to practice, placed on injured reserved or released within five weeks.

If the player returns to practice, the team has three weeks to decide to place him on the active roster or on the injured reserve list.

Players on the PUP list do not count against the 53-man roster, but do count against the 90-man roster limit.

from https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2020/9/5/21424371/rams-ashawn-robinson-injury-update
 
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Psycho_X said:
Sounds like he could come back now technically. But sounds like they have three weeks to decide whether he's going to play or not.

Players on the NFI list are subject to the same rules as players on the Physically Unable to Perform list, which are as follows:

Players on the PUP list may not practice or play the first six weeks of the season. After the sixth week, the player must be allowed to return to practice, placed on injured reserved or released within five weeks.

If the player returns to practice, the team has three weeks to decide to place him on the active roster or on the injured reserve list.

Players on the PUP list do not count against the 53-man roster, but do count against the 90-man roster limit.

from https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2020/9/5/21424371/rams-ashawn-robinson-injury-update
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So the Rams have 21 days after they activate him to decide whether he can play or not. I'm guessing he hasn't been activated yet
 
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hotanez said:
So the Rams have 21 days after they activate him to decide whether he can play or not. I'm guessing he hasn't been activated yet
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Sounds right now that I reread it. As of this week they have 5 weeks to activate, IR, or release. If they activate they have 21 days to put on roster and play. So technically it could be anywhere between 1-8 weeks. Seems like the safe bet would be to bring back after Dolphins game to have two weeks of bye week practice before he has to play first game.
 
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Sounds right now that I reread it. As of this week they have 5 weeks to activate, IR, or release. If they activate they have 21 days to put on roster and play. So technically it could be anywhere between 1-8 weeks. Seems like the safe bet would be to bring back after Dolphins game to have two weeks of by week practice before he has to play first game.
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I've got my fingers crossed, AD needs this guy in the worst way.
 
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