Rams at Bears vent thread part deux

[RamsSince1969]

New Orleans Saints at St. Louis Rams - October 28th, 2001
Warner throws 4 ints and Rams lose.
Bad games happen to the best of them.

 

[socalrams90]

What I’m telling myself to feel better is there are 29 other teams who would happily swap positions with us now.

 

[LARams_1963]

2 of our worst performances of the year were because of the cold weather. The good news is.... we have no more cold weather games.

 

[Karate61]

Wow...after reading this thread all I can think of is..."And We Call Them The Whiners?"

 

[ramfan46]

5 years of playing LB has caught up to Mark Barron. He looks like he’s done.

 

[ramsince62]

Do you suggest we get a new QB?

What’s your point? What’s your fix here?

Since you asked, I never supported selecting Goff to begin with. Fix what? They got beat (outplayed & out coached) by a better opponent and Goff's inability to scramble or extend plays were simply exposed once again as being his primary weakness. He's a pocket passer with very limited mobility except straight ahead. At times, he stares down receivers, holds the ball too long and appears to lack much pocket presence. Yeah I know some say it's just that he keeps his eyes down field....uh huh, well I call that a lack of pocket awareness. The primary reason, IMO why he's been as successful as he has been (has) more to to with McVay's play calling (tonight being an obvious exception) and that "O" line (when it's on and giving him gobs of time).

But when things aren't going well or are sped up like tonight for example, I just don't believe Goff can effectively carry the team. He's neither elite or crappy, he's a tweener and that's where he's essentially been since his arrival. Stats don't always tell the entire story between the white lines and so far Goff is a prime example. Give almost any accurate passer the time (protection) and he'll pad his stats, but put them under duress and stress and their weakness's soon come to the fore.

Replace Goff? LOL, they've already had two shots at a franchise QB, Bradford and Goff. Bradford was damaged goods to begin with and unproven beyond his sophomore year....nothing like picking a player #1 that hadn't played for the previous year or this one that did nothing in college but make a second or third rate bowl game in his final season. And his claim to fame......improving his team from total crap to mediocre.

 

[KayJay]

New Orleans Saints at St. Louis Rams - October 28th, 2001
Warner throws 4 ints and Rams lose.
Bad games happen to the best of them.

Don't make too much sense. People need a scapegoat for their frustrations. Goff was terrible today, offensive line did him no favors and Gurley didn't really get the chance to. It was a bad day for the offense. Even when Goff was on target, several guys dropped balls. We got out muscled, its okay. You learn more about your team when you lose, then when you win. Wash that salt out with water, we have another game next Sunday.

 

[UKram]

I woke up at 4am to watch this game ..

McVay and the entire offense shit the bed in that game ... but it happens the saints did it last week all that matters is how we respond next week

 

[LARams_1963]

Since you asked, I never supported selecting Goff to begin with. Fix what? They got beat (outplayed & out coached) by a better opponent and Goff's inability to scramble or extend plays were simply exposed once again as being his primary weakness. He's a pocket passer with very limited mobility except straight ahead. At times, he stares down receivers, holds the ball too long and appears to lack much pocket presence. Yeah I know some say it's just that he keeps his eyes down field....uh huh, well I call that a lack of pocket awareness. The primary reason, IMO why he's been as successful as he has been (has) more to to with McVay's play calling (tonight being an obvious exception) and that "O" line (when it's on and giving him gobs of time).

But when things aren't going well or are sped up like tonight for example, I just don't believe Goff can effectively carry the team. He's neither elite or crappy, he's a tweener and that's where he's essentially been since his arrival. Stats don't always tell the entire story between the white lines and so far Goff is a prime example. Give almost any accurate passer the time (protection) and he'll pad his stats, but put them under duress and stress and their weakness's soon come to the fore.

Replace Goff? LOL, they've already had two shots at a franchise QB, Bradford and Goff. Bradford was damaged goods to begin with and unproven beyond his sophomore year....nothing like picking a player #1 that hadn't played for the previous year or this one that did nothing in college but make a second or third rate bowl game in his final season. And his claim to fame......improving his team from total crap to mediocre.

You do realize the Rams are 11-2 right???

 

[Ram77]

This is a stupid post.

Where the hell did you get ANY of this crap?

Big boy football time???

That actually happens on every snap.

Big Boy Football Time?????

Stupid post.

I actually thought that his post was spot on.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Since you asked, I never supported selecting Goff to begin with.

I'm shocked.

I didn't see this coming.

.

 

[jrry32]

McVay is a really smart guy, so my guess is if he thought we could play that brand of football we would have. A few positive runs doesnt mean youre winning the LOS. The most physical teams the past two years have beat us: MIN, PHI, ATL, and now CHI. Our "power" running game is based around Todd Gurley and our scheme, not our line's physicality. On a night where Jared doesn't have it obviously, why wouldnt we run more? My guess is McVay doesnt think we can win like that consistently against dominant fronts.

IMO, we lost the Philly and Atlanta games precisely because McVay abandoned the run at the wrong time. Gurley was feasting on both those defenses. I don't know if we would have been able to run it on Chicago if we kept trying, but I do know that we weren't able to throw it effectively when we abandoned the run.

 

[jrry32]

I'm shocked.

I didn't see this coming.

.

Whoa, Kurt, let's give the man a break. It took 13 games for Goff to finally have a crappy enough performance in a loss to pull that card. It was a long time coming.

 

[yrba1]

Probably gonna keep repeating myself about this but I hope McVay learned his lesson about not abandoning the run. This game looked similar last year's Vikings one.

 

[Corbin]

New Orleans Saints at St. Louis Rams - October 28th, 2001
Warner throws 4 ints and Rams lose.
Bad games happen to the best of them.

You are not supposed to be making good points with my Mt Rushmore of QB's! :redcard:

Delete this right now!!!

So about Goff and his 4 INT's...:argue:

 

[JackKirbyFan]

I don't care about 2001; that's in the past. Terrible game by Goff and our O line. Just hoping that Goff can bounce back for the last 3 games. Credit to Bears D but Nagy and team are beating their chests. Just wait come playoff time and we'll see who's left standing. Go Rams.

 

[“Turbo set!”]

Probably gonna keep repeating myself about this but I hope McVay learned his lesson about not abandoning the run. This game looked similar last year's Vikings one.

Yup. Worth quoting.

I hope his thinking is, "Abandoning the run does not work with this team. Even if we are not gaining yards we have to continue running the ball."

 

[ramsince62]

The good news is our D does seem to be tightening up and our offense will get their crap together, or at the least respectable again.

The Rams were out gained 294-214 and on the ground by 194-52 and most of those 52 yards came late in the 4th Q.

The Bears are known for their "smoke &mirrors" offense simply because they lack the experience and maturity BUT they have good athletes. They use motion and deception to make up for what they lack at the skill positions....aka damn good coaching and preparation.

Whereas the Rams came off a bye, are all refreshed, ready for a playoff run and almost immediately are exposed by two teams that could mount descent defenses thus exposing the Rams for what they are; a high scoring offense that struggles against descent defenses and simply can't stop the run. The Rams own 3-4 defense containing 7 first round draft choices cannot effectively stop the run or mount a smothering defense except during short spurts despite their boat load of talent. It's probably no surprise to most that one key requirement for an effective 3-4 is outstanding athletic linebackers, something that's obviously lacking here at present....again, look at the opponents rushing stats for confirmation. Some say that they're (Rams) playing better defense now....I can only ask against what, two crappy offenses?

Go back and look at the past 6 games and tell me that this team is getting better and building momentum towards the playoffs. Take another look, (they) barely got past GB by 2 and look where they are today (5-7-1). Then came the loss to N.O., followed with barely getting past Seattle at home, then simply having the ball last versus KC , next squeaking past a faltering Lions team and that game was actually much closer than the score suggests. Then finally this latest mess......162 total yards of offense, averaging just 3.5 yards per play by the second highest scoring offense in the league!!.

Does any of this sound or look like a team gaining momentum, confidence and execution as they move towards the 2nd season?

And to those who say the Rams can beat N.O. in the dome....oh yeah? It's possible sure (on any given Sunday), but is it probable? This team essentially held much of it's destiny in it's own hands. We knew they were taking a one time shot at "the show" this season by picking up players like Talib, Suh, Shields, Fowler, et-all obviously with the intent to build a contender, excitement, buzz and most important of all, sell tickets at the new stadium.

What better way than to build a SB contender, if only for one season. However, once again, constructing a "dream team" defensive unit to support and compliment the offense has proven illusive.

 

[badnews]

The Rams were out gained 294-214 and on the ground by 194-52 and most of those 52 yards came late in the 4th Q.

The Bears are known for their "smoke &mirrors" offense simply because they lack the experience and maturity BUT they have good athletes. They use motion and deception to make up for what they lack at the skill positions....aka damn good coaching and preparation.

Whereas the Rams came off a bye, are all refreshed, ready for a playoff run and almost immediately are exposed by two teams that could mount descent defenses thus exposing the Rams for what they are; a high scoring offense that struggles against descent defenses and simply can't stop the run. The Rams own 3-4 defense containing 7 first round draft choices cannot effectively stop the run or mount a smothering defense except during short spurts despite their boat load of talent. It's probably no surprise to most that one key requirement for an effective 3-4 is outstanding athletic linebackers, something that's obviously lacking here at present....again, look at the opponents rushing stats for confirmation. Some say that they're (Rams) playing better defense now....I can only ask against what, two crappy offenses?

Go back and look at the past 6 games and tell me that this team is getting better and building momentum towards the playoffs. Take another look, (they) barely got past GB by 2 and look where they are today (5-7-1). Then came the loss to N.O., followed with barely getting past Seattle at home, then simply having the ball last versus KC , next squeaking past a faltering Lions team and that game was actually much closer than the score suggests. Then finally this latest mess......162 total yards of offense, averaging just 3.5 yards per play by the second highest scoring offense in the league!!.

Does any of this sound or look like a team gaining momentum, confidence and execution as they move towards the 2nd season?

And to those who say the Rams can beat N.O. in the dome....oh yeah? It's possible sure (on any given Sunday), but is it probable? This team essentially held much of it's destiny in it's own hands. We knew they were taking a one time shot at "the show" this season by picking up players like Talib, Suh, Shields, Fowler, et-all obviously with the intent to build a contender, excitement, buzz and most important of all, sell tickets at the new stadium.

What better way than to build a SB contender, if only for one season. However, once again, constructing a "dream team" defensive unit to support and compliment the offense has proven illusive.

Ok cool so now what?