Raheem to ATL

[dieterbrock]

Atlanta is going to trade for Justin Fields

 

[Merlin]

Atlanta is going to trade for Justin Fields

I think taking Penix would be a lot smarter.

 

[dieterbrock]

I think taking Penix would be a lot smarter.

I dont know if he's even a 1st round pick
Age, injury history, wonky release and folded like a cheap suit against Michigan.
But I agree thats a smarter play than Fields who I think is hot garbage
I just think that's the play they're going to make

 

[Merlin]

I dont know if he's even a 1st round pick
Age, injury history, wonky release and folded like a cheap suit against Michigan.
But I agree thats a smarter play than Fields who I think is hot garbage
I just think that's the play they're going to make

He's absolutely a first round pick in two things that matter to me, which are can he win from the pocket and does he stand in there with a pair of balls and look down field. The guy has shit these others will struggle to learn because how do you teach a guy to have balls. You can teach a guy who wants to look downfield and kill teams deep to dump it off. But teaching the opposite is tough sledding because you're fighting his fear of the rush.

I do agree the injury history muddies the water. But that kid can win from the pocket. And the pocket offers protections. IMO he's off the board by mid first round for those reasons, barring long term concerns with the injury stuff.

He reminds me of Stabler, who also was brave in the pocket and had a knack for getting plays when he needed them.

 

[Kupped]

Oh.. Penix is not going to do well in the NFL. Nope.

Have also read a few things about his perception in the league being quite a bit lower than with the general public and football media.

 

[OldSchool]

Atlanta is going to trade for Justin Fields

How? Atlanta doesn't have a 7th round pick





Kidding I don't know if they do or not.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I think taking Penix would be a lot smarter.

Fields can at least throw it over the middle. Penix hasn't show a good ability to do it. Tough choice but I think Fields has more to work with if he hasn't been hurt to much by Getsy.

For me personally, for any team: Penix in the 1st... meh. Penix in the 2nd... eh??

 

[OldSchool]

I think taking Penix would be a lot smarter.

I think taking somebody that hasn't had 4 season ending injuries before even getting to the NFL would be smarter. That's such a huge red flag to me.

 

[JimY53]

May have been posted but didn't see it if it was


View: https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1751335189584794062?s=20

 

[Merlin]

I think taking somebody that hasn't had 4 season ending injuries before even getting to the NFL would be smarter. That's such a huge red flag to me.

And you'd have a fair point. For myself I'd accept that risk given that he can win from the pocket, assuming he doesn't have any structural issues from those previous injuries. Because in spite of the medical concerns I think he's got some special shit about him.

 

[RamFanWA]

100% Great post

I've seen in my own personal life great leaders who weren't great individually but know how to lead, facilitate, and delegate properly and seen rock stars at a particular job but are complete shit as a leader or manager.

I personally hope he does well, I like him as a man and person.

Totally agree... been around too many folks who were given leadership positions that stunk up the joint - In reality, there were just telling people what to do...

I see Raheem as a quality guy, with the attributes one expects from a true leader - vision, confidence and ability to instill camaraderie. That will bring out the best of the people around you.

 

[Merlin]

Fields can at least throw it over the middle. Penix hasn't show a good ability to do it. Tough choice but I think Fields has more to work with if he hasn't been hurt to much by Getsy.

For me personally, for any team: Penix in the 1st... meh. Penix in the 2nd... eh??

Fields has a head start and a clean injury sheet. But Fields will never be a top QB.

Penix might be. He could bust too. But I think his ceiling is very high.

 

[Corbin]

I appreciate people see him differently.. but, to me.. one of his biggest strengths is the ability to adapt.
He never ran a fangio scheme.. came in… learned it.. incorporated new players.. and had the defense absolutely kicking ass in the playoffs.
21 had health issues and a lack of a second real edge opposite Floyd… that hurt.
This year? If you listen to guys outside the Rams bubble.. Raheem was fantastic and, “trying cool shit” in the back end.

I think the perception of him is colored strongly by the aesthetics of his defense… not its effectiveness.

Obviously, people around the league think he can coach his ass off.

The guy was handed a number 1 defense with two HOF’s and added a third one. His whole career his avg. yards and points given under his defenses are like 19 and 21.

He literally walked into a SB (just like Barry Switzer with the Cowboys did) that people use as a reason he’s great tailgating off:
1. 2020 #1 personal
2. 3 HOF’s
3. An offense in 21 that ranked 9th in yards and 7th in points.

In 2021 and 2022 he used a ton of his outdated adapted Tampa 2 alignments and/or concepts which didn’t work to well.

Raheem as a leader is unquestionable, he’s amazing.
Raheem as a DC is slow to adjust and adapt but he for sure start getting it right in 2023.

Yeah Atlanta badly needs a face of the franchise. Teams like them are why I am thinking maybe we see a run on QBs in round 1. Last time I counted the teams ahead of us there were 8ish that I think are in need, so we might get helped out here by seeing guys like Nix, Penix, McCarthy go off the board before us and bump down a player we need.

If it wasn't for the injuries I'd put Penix very high. But this particular year with other QB options there's a good chance he slides a bit, though probably not too far due to QB need in this league. McCarthy I think is a 2nd round talent but he has the title. Nix is a hell of an athlete and fits WCO of which damn near everyone is running it or wants to.

So I'm hoping 6 QBs go off that board before 19. Then we get the 13th ranked non-QB to kick this class off.

I agree been thinking and saying a long while this draft had the 1983 draft potential with the talent in it.

I really want to trade down 2-3 times to build our haul but I guess that depends on our FA, could be a gem drops to 19. Starting to get excited with the possibilities.

Totally agree... been around too many folks who were given leadership positions that stunk up the joint - In reality, there were just telling people what to do...

I see Raheem as a quality guy, with the attributes one expects from a true leader - vision, confidence and ability to instill camaraderie. That will bring out the best of the people around you.

100% agree.

I have a new boss now that only knows how to tell people what to do. Has zero how to inspire, collaborate, and lead from the front.

When I’ve had leaders like the ones you describe in the second paragraph it brings out the best of me because I will put 100% out just so I won’t be the one to let that person down or the team down, weird how that happens.

 

[Kupped]

The guy was handed a number 1 defense with two HOF’s and added a third one. His whole career his avg. yards and points given under his defenses are like 19 and 21.

He literally walked into a SB (just like Barry Switzer with the Cowboys did) that people use as a reason he’s great tailgating off:
1. 2020 #1 personal
2. 3 HOF’s
3. An offense in 21 that ranked 9th in yards and 7th in points.

In 2021 and 2022 he used a ton of his outdated adapted Tampa 2 alignments and/or concepts which didn’t work to well.

Raheem as a leader is unquestionable, he’s amazing.
Raheem as a DC is slow to adjust and adapt but he for sure start getting it right in 2023.

I agree been thinking and saying a long while this draft had the 1983 draft potential with the talent in it.

I really want to trade down 2-3 times to build our haul but I guess that depends on our FA, could be a gem drops to 19. Starting to get excited with the possibilities.

100% agree.

I have a new boss now that only knows how to tell people what to do. Has zero how to inspire, collaborate, and lead from the front.

When I’ve had leaders like the ones you describe in the second paragraph it brings out the best of me because I will put 100% out just so I won’t be the one to let that person down or the team down, weird how that happens.

And the last game the Rams played that season.. the Pack put up almost 500 yards on them.
So.. when it counted, who was better? And what had the league figured out about the lighter box defenses, at that point?

Staley did an amazing job in 20.. and was ahead of the curve.

When it counted most, the Rams defense was best in 21.. and that was while dealing with several injuries and incorporating new players. And Raheem's blitzing in the SB was the final straw in that matchup.. they couldn't do anything against the 5 man rush at that point.

And.. I'll point you to others who've broken down the scheme.. it's Fangio's. The off coverage is part of his scheme.. it's not a Tampa 2.

You bring up the Rams offense.. yet fail to acknowledge that the offense was running on fumes in the Super Bowl. Without an extraordinary defensive effort, they lose.

Instead of grinding through rehashed points.. I'm simply going to say that if you think McVay would put up with sub-par coaching.. or someone who was inflexible and unable to adapt, I don't think you're looking at the situation well.

Like I said... people are caught up in the aesthetics, not the success. I mean.. we have people regularly playing down the run the defense had in the playoffs while incorporating a guy who had been on the couch. And before you give Weddle all the credit.. guess who reached out to and recruited Weddle to come back? Raheem Morris.

 

[WestCoastRam]

In 2021 and 2022 he used a ton of his outdated adapted Tampa 2 alignments

...

 

[JimY53]

it's Fangio's. The off coverage is part of his scheme..

Like it or not, that's the truth.

it's not a Tampa 2.

And it never was. Rams did not run a lot of Tampa-2 in 2021, 2022 or 2023. Bottom 5 in NFL in


Rams are Cover-3 and Cover-4/6/8 family.

It's not even debatable -- we're talking 3 or 4 % of the time.

and sorry for the inconsistency in graphs --- all same source - Cody uses PFF and two of the charts
are his 2 are theirs

 

[WestCoastRam]

Like it or not, that's the truth.


And it never was. Rams did not run a lot of Tampa-2 in 2021, 2022 or 2023. Bottom 5 in NFL in


Rams are Cover-3 and Cover-4/6/8 family.

It's not even debatable -- we're talking 3 or 4 % of the time.

and sorry for the inconsistency in graphs --- all same source - Cody uses PFF and two of the charts
are his 2 are theirs


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And that's Cover-2, we're not even separating out Tampa-2 which is it's own thing, right?

 

[WestCoastRam]

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It's official. Not a small loss, curious to see what we do there. Glad for him. Glad for Morris. Now go get Kirk Cousins!

 

[Kupped]

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1751416747767349398


It's official. Not a small loss, curious to see what we do there. Glad for him. Glad for Morris. Now go get Kirk Cousins!

Who knows… maybe Baker? If they can’t get Cousins?

 

[JimY53]

And that's Cover-2, we're not even separating out Tampa-2 which is it's own thing, right?

Right, a portion of that 3% has a hole player.

Tampa-2 is complicated because it is modified. The hole player does not just drop to the hole no matter what, only if there is a threat to that area, it is a read.

Also, the use of inverted cover 2 composes part of the percentages -- teams that do run it might have a safety drop down to the hole rather than the MIKE drop back to the hole and replace that safety with a dropping CB.

I can get some diagrams if anyone is interested .... but as far as Fangio-system it's just not a Cover-2 heavy scheme. When they go split safeties they go quarters family --- Cov-4, 6, 8 ...