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Chasing History: Rams' Nacua on Verge of Setting More Rookie Records​

The Rams' rookie can break two single-season records Sunday, including one that's lasted 63 years.


Now that the Los Angeles Rams have qualified for the playoffs, coach Sean McVay will rest many of his starters for Sunday's regular-season finale vs. San Francisco. However, wide receiver Puka Nacua won't be one of them, and there's a reason.

He's this close to setting two rookie records.

The Rams' fifth-round draft pick needs 29 receiving yards to set one single-season mark and just four catches to break another, Jaylen Waddle's rookie record of 104. So, he'll play Sunday, though it's not known how much.

"I think you’d like to be able to see him get an opportunity to do something special," McVay said, "and then be smart with him."

Waddle's record was set in 2021, but the rookie yardage mark has lasted 63 years. Set in 1960 by former Houston Oilers' split end Bill Groman when he reached 1,473 yards, it is -- as McVay said -- "something special." So, if and when Nacua breaks those records, he moves to the head of the line ... right?

Yes. And No.

According to the NFL he will. It recognizes records by season, regardless of length. But fairness demands that when considering single-season records, we also consider the number of games it took to set them. At 17 games, today's NFL seasons are longer than those of previous eras, giving recent players like Nacua a significant advantage over someone like Groman.

When he set the mark in his rookie season, he did it in 14 games -- the length of the AFL season then. But if he had the opportunity to play three more games, who knows what the mark would have been -- 1,600? Maybe 1,700? Given that, shouldn't the record remain with the former All-AFL performer?

Perhaps.

Like Nacua, Groman wasn't someone expected to explode as a rookie. He played collegiately at Heidelberg College (Ohio) and drew no attention from NFL teams. So he spent his first years after college teaching eighth-graders before he was encouraged to try out for the newly-formed American Football League.

He not only made the Houston Oilers; he became a starter. And the rest is history. Literally.

In his first season, Groman caught 72 passes, scored 12 touchdowns and had an AFL-best 20.5 yards per catch. He led the league again in 1961 with a 23.5 yards per catch on 50 receptions (his yardage total was 1,175) and an AFL-high 17 touchdown catches.

But things went south the following season. Bothered by a knee injury sustained in the 1961 championship game, Groman was so ineffective that new Oilers' coach Pop Ivy -- convinced that Groman couldn't perform as he had the previous two years -- waived him at midseason.

When Oilers' fans protested, the team backed down. It recalled Groman from the waiver wire (as it was allowed) and kept him that year. But he didn't get his job back, was traded to Denver where he wasn't effective and completed his career with a couple of seasons as a backup with the Buffalo Bills.

Groman later went on to become a scout with various pro football organizations, spending his last 15 years with the Atlanta Falcons. It was there that he crossed paths with a young scout named Les Snead -- the same man who chose Nacua in the 2023 NFL draft.

Now there's another parallel that links Nacua and Groman: Just as Nacua could make history by breaking records with extra games, so did Groman.

The mark he broke in 1960 was set by Green Bay rookie Billy Howton in 1952 ... when the NFL played 12-game seasons. A second-round pick that year, Howton led the NFL with 1,231 receiving yards. However, Howton's yards-per-scheduled games were 102.6. Groman's were 105.2.

Wait. Yards-per-scheduled games? It's a figure reached by dividing total receiving yards by the number of games on the NFL schedule, a metric first suggested by Pro Football Researcher Association founder Bob Carroll. He saw it as a fairer way to measure single-season records, no matter the category -- receiving, rushing, passing, etc.


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If Nacua's achievement deserves an asterisk, then what about Groman's record? Yes, he earned the rookie record, but it was in the American Football League, not the NFL. The old AFL was a pass happy league and was widely considered to be an inferior league by Vince Lombardi and and may others. By the time Super Bowl III rolled around, I believe the talent available from the draft made the AFL and NFL teams more equal.
 

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If Nacua's achievement deserves an asterisk, then what about Groman's record? Yes, he earned the rookie record, but it was in the American Football League, not the NFL. The old AFL was a pass happy league and was widely considered to be an inferior league by Vince Lombardi and and may others. By the time Super Bowl III rolled around, I believe the talent available from the draft made the AFL and NFL teams more equal.

I dont think anyone is questioning Pukas record legitimacy. I think it's a fair thing to bring up. The NFL has changed over the years and records are going to be broken based upon that. If the NFL was still only 14 games per season a lot of records would still be unbroken.
 

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I dont think anyone is questioning Pukas record legitimacy. I think it's a fair thing to bring up. The NFL has changed over the years and records are going to be broken based upon that. If the NFL was still only 14 games per season a lot of records would still be unbroken.
Be a little careful about debating @Loyal on the AFL. Remember, he was there.

That’s why I never discuss the Great Flood with him.
 

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If Nacua's achievement deserves an asterisk, then what about Groman's record?
Deserved asterisk or not, there will not be one. NFL does not care about many many games are played.
Yes, he earned the rookie record, but it was in the American Football League, not the NFL. The old AFL was a pass happy league and was widely considered to be an inferior league by Vince Lombardi and and may others. By the time Super Bowl III rolled around, I believe the talent available from the draft made the AFL and NFL teams more equal.
I am sure you are right about that. But then again, what about today? Not talent level. (90ish% of guys from the early 1960s couldn't
play today.

But 2023 is very different from even 15 years ago. They don't call holding on OL, and can not hit a QB or receiver. This is a more pass-happy era than anytime since maybe the early days of AFL... just in terms of the relative ease of passing.
 
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The fact that Puka Nacua is in the top 2 or 3 for NFL OPOY is outstanding. His competition being a first round QB and a first round RB. If he wins or if he doesn’t we all Know there was not a more impactful rookie this year in the NFL.
Yes, without him there is no way they would have even started 3 and 6. With no Kupp..... Stafford would have been a cripple with no one to count on. The number of clutch need to have catches he has made is amazing.
 
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Puka continues to impress, his attitude is infectious.
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Welp there's some concern now after seeing Pickens get shutout vs the Ravens. But I'm prepared to be happily surprised this sunday if Puka gets it.
 

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Welp there's some concern now after seeing Pickens get shutout vs the Ravens. But I'm prepared to be happily surprised this sunday if Puka gets it.
Yea but Puka has damn near double the catches for the year as Pickens, who is no where near the route runner or critical down option.

Not to mention The Mcvay passing offense is always creatively finding ways to get WR's open.

Then you have the fact that Puka will purposely be schemed open in this game.

They will probably run some WR screens or quick passes just to get the ball in his hands early on.

I see zero chance, barring injury that Puka does not break the records.
 

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Yea but Puka has damn near double the catches for the year as Pickens, who is no where near the route runner or critical down option.

Not to mention The Mcvay passing offense is always creatively finding ways to get WR's open.

Then you have the fact that Puka will purposely be schemed open in this game.

They will probably run some WR screens or quick passes just to get the ball in his hands early on.

I see zero chance, barring injury that Puka does not break the records.
*with Stafford

But if a jag like Rypien can get it to him for 3 catches 32 yards (vs GB) there's hope
 

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*with Stafford

But if a jag like Rypien can get it to him for 3 catches 32 yards (vs GB) there's hope
Yea and Wentz is no Rypien. Wentz is a guy who had a regular season MVP wrapped up until injury. Shout out to Barron.

Wentz Career QB rating is actually right where Stafford's is. Wentz has multiple seasons with around a 4/1 TD/int ratio and has thrown for over 4K in a season. Hasn't played in a while, but in this system with our Oline and WR's I am not worried at all.

He will be our very own Joe Flacco. :woozy:
 

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Got bored and watched the NFL network tonight.

They had a segment discussing next years fantasy draft and mentioned Puka and Kyren going round 1. I was like you bet your ass. I picked them up on waivers and rode rhem all
Year!

There also had a zoom call with Kobie Turner and gave some love. Showed his stats. Mentioned the Jets had Sauce and Wilson win O an D rookie of the year but they were drafted round 1. Mentioned how amazing it was to get guys in the same conversation that were not day 1 picks. Kobie also gave love to Avila.

Crazy to see all the recognition our young studs are getting. The world is taking notice.
I told my kid to pick up Puka and then Kyren a few weeks later. He won his FF league thanks to those two moves.
 

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Chasing History: Rams' Nacua on Verge of Setting More Rookie Records​

The Rams' rookie can break two single-season records Sunday, including one that's lasted 63 years.


Now that the Los Angeles Rams have qualified for the playoffs, coach Sean McVay will rest many of his starters for Sunday's regular-season finale vs. San Francisco. However, wide receiver Puka Nacua won't be one of them, and there's a reason.

He's this close to setting two rookie records.

The Rams' fifth-round draft pick needs 29 receiving yards to set one single-season mark and just four catches to break another, Jaylen Waddle's rookie record of 104. So, he'll play Sunday, though it's not known how much.

"I think you’d like to be able to see him get an opportunity to do something special," McVay said, "and then be smart with him."

Waddle's record was set in 2021, but the rookie yardage mark has lasted 63 years. Set in 1960 by former Houston Oilers' split end Bill Groman when he reached 1,473 yards, it is -- as McVay said -- "something special." So, if and when Nacua breaks those records, he moves to the head of the line ... right?

Yes. And No.

According to the NFL he will. It recognizes records by season, regardless of length. But fairness demands that when considering single-season records, we also consider the number of games it took to set them. At 17 games, today's NFL seasons are longer than those of previous eras, giving recent players like Nacua a significant advantage over someone like Groman.

When he set the mark in his rookie season, he did it in 14 games -- the length of the AFL season then. But if he had the opportunity to play three more games, who knows what the mark would have been -- 1,600? Maybe 1,700? Given that, shouldn't the record remain with the former All-AFL performer?

Perhaps.

Like Nacua, Groman wasn't someone expected to explode as a rookie. He played collegiately at Heidelberg College (Ohio) and drew no attention from NFL teams. So he spent his first years after college teaching eighth-graders before he was encouraged to try out for the newly-formed American Football League.

He not only made the Houston Oilers; he became a starter. And the rest is history. Literally.

In his first season, Groman caught 72 passes, scored 12 touchdowns and had an AFL-best 20.5 yards per catch. He led the league again in 1961 with a 23.5 yards per catch on 50 receptions (his yardage total was 1,175) and an AFL-high 17 touchdown catches.

But things went south the following season. Bothered by a knee injury sustained in the 1961 championship game, Groman was so ineffective that new Oilers' coach Pop Ivy -- convinced that Groman couldn't perform as he had the previous two years -- waived him at midseason.

When Oilers' fans protested, the team backed down. It recalled Groman from the waiver wire (as it was allowed) and kept him that year. But he didn't get his job back, was traded to Denver where he wasn't effective and completed his career with a couple of seasons as a backup with the Buffalo Bills.

Groman later went on to become a scout with various pro football organizations, spending his last 15 years with the Atlanta Falcons. It was there that he crossed paths with a young scout named Les Snead -- the same man who chose Nacua in the 2023 NFL draft.

Now there's another parallel that links Nacua and Groman: Just as Nacua could make history by breaking records with extra games, so did Groman.

The mark he broke in 1960 was set by Green Bay rookie Billy Howton in 1952 ... when the NFL played 12-game seasons. A second-round pick that year, Howton led the NFL with 1,231 receiving yards. However, Howton's yards-per-scheduled games were 102.6. Groman's were 105.2.

Wait. Yards-per-scheduled games? It's a figure reached by dividing total receiving yards by the number of games on the NFL schedule, a metric first suggested by Pro Football Researcher Association founder Bob Carroll. He saw it as a fairer way to measure single-season records, no matter the category -- receiving, rushing, passing, etc.


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But, as stated in the 49ers Rams game, Gorman did it against plumbers
 

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Seems like it was mostly a McVay pick.
I won my very first year in Fantasy Football by being a Ram homer and drafting in the final rounds... Jim Everett and Greg Bell, who ended up leading the league in passing TDs and rushing TDs, respectively. Yep -- I played FF in 1988, except they called it Rotisserie Football back then. :laugh2: