(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

[den-the-coach]

Sorry tried to paste, but just puts up generic YouTube link, YouTube must be going stupid in restrictions. Its on Herd today interview with Whit.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz6A9VR47cg

 

[jrry32]

I think you people are fucking crazy.

I love and support Goff, I just have the perspective that he's been a bottom third QB this year. The reasons for his struggles are not all on him, however right now in the playoffs McVay has to ensure he's got the best mix of guys on the field and that best mix might not include Jared Goff.

Whether you can handle that as a fan, well, that's up to you.

Where some posters are right now, judging from what I am reading, is that Wolford isn't worthy of putting Goff on the bench. But I think those of you who hold that opinion are wrong. And I think Wolford if he plays will probably prove you wrong.

How could I be so confident of this? McVay. He knows this system can be inclusive of weak armed QBs. He has seen Wolford making quick decisions and reading fast in practice all season long. We have an emerging run game to complement a system QB and the OL is getting healthy at the right time.

McVay has done this before with Cousins who is another shitty armed QB. So for me I'm going to treat this like I would ANY OTHER POSITION and root for the guy who gets the nod. If it's Goff, I am confident he'll rebound in his play. If it's Wolford, I am confident he'll run the gameplan efficiently. It's really that simple dudes. IMO.

Wolford is worthy of putting Goff on the bench. Wolford is not worth of putting healthy Goff on the bench. As far as your Cousins example is concerned, the issue with that comparison is that Cousins was the Goff in this scenario, not the Wolford. He was the guy who proved he could execute McVay's scheme at a fairly high level. Colt McCoy would probably be a more apt comparison for Wolford. Frankly, McCoy looked competent when they needed him to play in 2014 and 2015. So yeah, if Cousins's ability to throw was hampered by injury, I could see McCoy being the better option in those years.

 

[Jacobarch]

I really don't see how Goff starts this game with that thumb. Maybe if Wolf didn't get injured last week I'd say he'd have a better shot. I'd actually sit goff this week and activate Bortles. I know that wont be a popular decision but there's no way he's gonna be able to throw that ball in 20 degree weather with a bad thumb. He already has a hard enough time holding on the ball. lol

I think the Smart move is to Start Wolf. Sounds like he only had a stinger and they were just being cautious with him. He just needs to play a little smarter when running the ball and he'll be ok. It's not like the Packers defense is lighting the world on fire by any means.

 

[AvengerRam]

Facets:

1. Is Goff’s thumb healthy enough to play effectively in sub-freezing conditions.

That’s my list.

 

[nighttrain]

I really don't see how Goff starts this game with that thumb

 

[Merlin]

Wolford is worthy of putting Goff on the bench. Wolford is not worth of putting healthy Goff on the bench. As far as your Cousins example is concerned, the issue with that comparison is that Cousins was the Goff in this scenario, not the Wolford. He was the guy who proved he could execute McVay's scheme at a fairly high level. Colt McCoy would probably be a more apt comparison for Wolford. Frankly, McCoy looked competent when they needed him to play in 2014 and 2015. So yeah, if Cousins's ability to throw was hampered by injury, I could see McCoy being the better option in those years.

Cousins was also a guy nobody thought could play starting QB. He was an afterthought that rose to a starting job because of McVay's ability to shape a scheme and play to his strengths.

By that same token McVay is going to do that with Wolford. Wolford's strength is his quickness of mind and reads. With him running the system the ball will mostly get dealt to the right player for a given read, and we'll get some extra first downs and sustained drives with his mobility. That's all this is about IMO.

Before I saw Wolford vs the Cards I didn't think much of him. But now I believe I am seeing what McVay is trying to do and if Wolford can get it done we have a chance to beat Green Bay and then see if we can get Goff back for that NFC title game.

 

[HellRam]

Goff played the game he injured his thumb.

Goff played last week.

But he can't play 3 weeks after the injury?

The fact they are not even waiting longer in the week to see where he is at is a bit worrisome to me.

 

[HellRam]

To be fair to Cousins he was just as effective under Stefanski as he was under McVay. Statisticaly maybe even better with the Vikings.

 

[jrry32]

Cousins was also a guy nobody thought could play starting QB. He was an afterthought that rose to a starting job because of McVay's ability to shape a scheme and play to his strengths.

By that same token McVay is going to do that with Wolford. Wolford's strength is his quickness of mind and reads. With him running the system the ball will mostly get dealt to the right player for a given read, and we'll get some extra first downs and sustained drives with his mobility. That's all this is about IMO.

Before I saw Wolford vs the Cards I didn't think much of him. But now I believe I am seeing what McVay is trying to do and if Wolford can get it done we have a chance to beat Green Bay and then see if we can get Goff back for that NFC title game.

I think Cousins's post-McVay career has shown that he is a starting QB, though. That's why I think McCoy is more comparable. And again, he played well in 2014 and 2015 when he was asked to step up (except for the game where our defense absolutely wrecked him). Regardless, we're in agreement that Wolford can do the job if Goff isn't up to it.

 

[NJRamsFan]

Cousins was also a guy nobody thought could play starting QB. He was an afterthought that rose to a starting job because of McVay's ability to shape a scheme and play to his strengths.

By that same token McVay is going to do that with Wolford. Wolford's strength is his quickness of mind and reads. With him running the system the ball will mostly get dealt to the right player for a given read, and we'll get some extra first downs and sustained drives with his mobility. That's all this is about IMO.

Before I saw Wolford vs the Cards I didn't think much of him. But now I believe I am seeing what McVay is trying to do and if Wolford can get it done we have a chance to beat Green Bay and then see if we can get Goff back for that NFC title game.

I mean cousins was also selected in the 4th round that year for a reason. Washington surely wanted insurance thought highly enough of cousins to select him 102 overall.

That being said I agree with you. I think we can win in GB led by this defense with wolford as our qb doing just enough. I really just want a healthy Goff back as I mentioned I think a Goff bounceback is much more probable than Wolford succeeding. Though, it would be a hell of a story.

 

[Cjcinec]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz6A9VR47cg

So inside information huh Why would Colin Blowhard have inside information?

 

[Merlin]

That being said I agree with you. I think we can win in GB led by this defense with wolford as our qb doing just enough. I really just want a healthy Goff back as I mentioned I think a Goff bounceback is much more probable than Wolford succeeding. Though, it would be a hell of a story.

I think everyone wants the 2018 Goff back running our offense. It's the best case scenario for the Rams too, seeing as how they invested in him. If he doesn't rebound we're in deep shit and will require a McVay QB miracle to overcome it. So I am with you there man.

I just think it's important to remember that a massive advantage to a guy like McVay is his ability to gameplan can mask a lot of weaknesses in his QB. He can win with a whole lot less talent at QB than most other offensive coaches IMO. We are now in a situation where we are going to be relying on him to do just that.

 

[…..]

Nobody here hates Goff- cut that shit out.

 

[RhodyRams]

Nick Wright & Brandon Marshall break down the latest for the Los Angeles Rams and Sean McVay's silence in naming a starting quarterback. Nick feels McVay knows Jared Goff is the Rams biggest impediment to winning the Super Bowl and is therefore scoping out other options.


So Nick "Never" Wright has "a feeling" about McVay and Goff.


I have "a feeling" I am going to win MegaMillions tonight

 

[dieterbrock]

My whole point was that they've played comparable games that Goff has been praised for and I stand by that.

NFC Championship game against the #1 seed, on the road in front of 70,000 fans and who had beaten the Rams earlier in that season, is just not comparable in any way, shape or form.
The insistence on it being so is just lack of understanding of the game at best, and abject trolling at worst

 

[dieterbrock]

Cousins was also a guy nobody thought could play starting QB. He was an afterthought that rose to a starting job because of McVay's ability to shape a scheme and play to his strengths.

Nah, Cousins star shined early on when he replaced an injured RGIII and threw the game tying TD against the Ravens, then won in OT. Then the next week in his first start, he shredded the Browns on the road and helped put the Redskins on track for the playoffs. There was plenty of talk about whether they shouldnt be rushing RGIII back, as they could win with Cousins. That was Shanahan the OC, McVay was TE coach or something

 

[dieterbrock]

So inside information huh Why would Colin Blowhard have inside information?

While Cowherd says Wolford starts, and Whit doesnt refute it, but he doesnt say that is true either. He clearly says "we look forward to having a little more clarity on who's up, who's healthy".
Is Wolford even cleared for practice yet?

 

[Legatron4]

Mannnn this thread was supposed to be a halfway joking nudge nudge post and y’all blew it up

 

[Merlin]

Nah, Cousins star shined early on when he replaced an injured RGIII and threw the game tying TD against the Ravens, then won in OT. Then the next week in his first start, he shredded the Browns on the road and helped put the Redskins on track for the playoffs. There was plenty of talk about whether they shouldnt be rushing RGIII back, as they could win with Cousins. That was Shanahan the OC, McVay was TE coach or something

Well shit. There goes my old memory again.

Still, my original comparison accuracy aside... McVay can do more with less at QB than most coaches. And this game in Green Bay is going to be a moment where his ability or inability to do that is going to determine how far this year's team can go.

 

[Flatlyner]

My thinking is, perhaps Goff did get his thumb dinged up in that game. He certainly took some shots and its very hard to avoid using your hands and thus your fingers to catch yourself when your knocked down. McVay is surely not going to reveal who starts before gameday, but, I suspect (if Wolf's stinger is fully healed) Wolf gets the start. I just cannot imagine a broken thumb with pins in it not being bothered by subzero temps, when it wasn't near 100% last week. Goff did ok last week and showed some real life grit playing, but, he certainly didn't look good and anyone who thinks he did is fooling themselves.