(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

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I love my boy Goff but if Wolf starts I'm rooting for him just as hard, we're Rams fans we're all on the same side here we want the Rams to win, let's go Ramily!!!

Ewe tell em!

 

[ProGen]

One of a couple of concerns I have with Wolford is the apparent need for him to work from the gun. It's tough to get a running game going that way.
And he's too inexperienced to beat you solely through the air IMO.

Fair assessment. Not going to be an easy task at all.

 

[FrantikRam]

I guess I’m a Ram QB apologist because honestly from my vantage point Wolford played a hell of a game and showed winning play.

It’s really the same argument I make with Goff. The final numbers are irrelevant to how I judge a QB. If he has constant WR drops and shitty Oline play and no run game then I might see a great performance despite the offensive production or points scored. In this context I also judged Wolford and saw some great play. Same thing Mcvay saw and described.

But I keep going back to this arguement, Goff has shown elite level play with the right surrounding cast, but right now he doesn’t have the Oline to play consistently at that level so a mobile Qb might be the best play until we can fix the Oline next Year. If Wolford plays I have no problem with it and will expect good play.

Also, I don’t think it’s wise to predict Wolfords ceiling is less than Goff’s. This is a kid with lots of success at different levels including outplaying Lamar Jackson in college when their teams played. We also can’t predict his floor. He might be a jag or one hit wonder. I’m just glad he’s a Ram.

Respect for your consistency

 

[Ramlock]

Says the poster who just said goff was another posters "boyfriend"

Yeah, that shit gets a guy on Ignore

 

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Am I the only one that wants to see man on man defense at the 5, then trips right, Wolford in motion to the right out of the backfield, then Goff throwing the ball to him for a TD after the trips create the space?

Salivating too much, I know.....but they’ll BOTH get a TD!!!

 

[dieterbrock]

After the first INT and a few missed throws early, he played a damn good game.

That's the problem with all the Wolford talk. That play happened, and it was only inconsequential because of how the defense played. He doesnt throw that pick, they literally only needed the safety to win the game.
I agree with @OldSchool that the critics of Goff are so done with him they'll forgive any flaw in a replacement.
Wolford played great considering he had no experience and the importance of the game. While that was fun and exciting, its not the same thing as what you expect from a starting QB in an important game. Under that lense, Wolford did not play a great game, not even a good one. He was mediocre at best. 9 points against a team that was routinely giving up 27+ is not good. The "if's and but's" of what could have been also have a flip side. For as much as folks want to say "they could have scored more" they also could have lost that game without a blocked FG and 9 points by the D

 

[dieterbrock]

Also, I don’t think it’s wise to predict Wolfords ceiling is less than Goff’s. This is a kid with lots of success at different levels including outplaying Lamar Jackson in college when their teams played. We also can’t predict his floor. He might be a jag or one hit wonder. I’m just glad he’s a Ram.

And yet, he went undrafted and couldnt even make the Jets.
The Jets...
The NFL rarely misses on QB talent. For every Kurt Warner, Tom Brady or Russell Wilson, there are literally thousands of QBs who deservedly dont even get a chance

 

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That's the problem with all the Wolford talk. That play happened, and it was only inconsequential because of how the defense played. He doesnt throw that pick, they literally only needed the safety to win the game.
I agree with @OldSchool that the critics of Goff are so done with him they'll forgive any flaw in a replacement.
Wolford played great considering he had no experience and the importance of the game. While that was fun and exciting, its not the same thing as what you expect from a starting QB in an important game. Under that lense, Wolford did not play a great game, not even a good one. He was mediocre at best. 9 points against a team that was routinely giving up 27+ is not good. The "if's and but's" of what could have been also have a flip side. For as much as folks want to say "they could have scored more" they also could have lost that game without a blocked FG and 9 points by the D

not going to debate much because its game day, but in fairness, Id like to point out that we tend to add mitigating circumstances when defending Goff- like line play, lack of running game, inconsistent WR play, penalties.

Yet, we arent doing much of that when discussing Wolford. The main talking point seems to he that he only managed to score 9 points. Rinse, and repeat.

 

[iamme33]

Just to be clear, speaking for myself (and I’d like to think most of us) I’ve made it no secret I believe Goff gives us our best chance, I would be very apprehensive trotting out an inexperienced QB vs this Seattle team

don't get me wrong i want goff to start because i don't want a qb controversy at this time of the season. it is interesting how so many of you think that wolfman up side is limited but a lot of those are the same ones who think that our ol men will just get better and better with experience. the wolfman set records for most passing and running yards in first game so experience should help him also. many think that because you can go back and see games where goff looked like the next great thing that he is going to return to that type of play to those i say jim evertte phantom sack. i know this sounds like i am a big wolfman fan and i probably am but mostly i just want goff to have some competition next training camp because i think he became to secure in his starting position

 

[dieterbrock]

not going to debate much because its game day, but in fairness, Id like to point out that we tend to add mitigating circumstances when defending Goff- like line play, lack of running game, inconsistent WR play, penalties.

Funny, I see it the total opposite. Take the Jets game. That game was a comedy of errors, dropped passes, terrible penalties and untimely defensive lapse. But the general consensus here is that Goff played terrible. And you know what? He did. But they still should have won, and that terrible game was better than Wolford's game against the Cardinals.
Goff's game against Seattle was the same as Wolford's game against Arizona. 9 points, terrible INT, missed opportunities. But Goff was the goat and Wolford a hero despite the fact that the Rams only won because the defense played amazing, and the Cardinals played terrible

 

[OregonRamsFan]

I think the Rams were purposely trying to sell Goff was healthy enough to play this week to misinform the Seahawks. It only makes sense. I can’t wait for the game. Go Rams.

 

[ProGen]

Wolford played great considering he had no experience and the importance of the game. While that was fun and exciting, its not the same thing as what you expect from a starting QB in an important game. Under that lense, Wolford did not play a great game, not even a good one

I agree with you, that given the context/circumstances...he did have a good game, and I'm sure that McVay and the team would agree.

UDFA
First game ever
We/He won
We clinched the playoffs
He had drives of 83, 81 , 59 & 71 yards
Had multiple big 3rd down conversions (including a game killing run on 3rd and 8)
Clutch 4th down conversion
3 x 20+ yard completions
Threw for 200+ and rushed for 50+.....which no player has ever done in their first game
etc.

All in his first game, with the playoffs on the line...against a team who was also 'win and they're in'.
Context matters. As does reading other members posts thoroughly before typing a reply

 

[nighttrain]

And yet, he went undrafted and couldnt even make the Jets.
The Jets...
The NFL rarely misses on QB talent. For every Kurt Warner, Tom Brady or Russell Wilson, there are literally thousands of QBs who deservedly dont even get a chance

Our Rams managed to play without QB for years, From Everett til Warner, long to keep missing
train

 

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Funny, I see it the total opposite. Take the Jets game. That game was a comedy of errors, dropped passes, terrible penalties and untimely defensive lapse. But the general consensus here is that Goff played terrible. And you know what? He did. But they still should have won, and that terrible game was better than Wolford's game against the Cardinals.
Goff's game against Seattle was the same as Wolford's game against Arizona. 9 points, terrible INT, missed opportunities. But Goff was the goat and Wolford a hero despite the fact that the Rams only won because the defense played amazing, and the Cardinals played terrible

Well.....again, in fairness to all, one game got us into the playoffs against a team that also had playoff aspirations. The other game shocked the Nation when losing to a winless team, with bo coaching, no running game, and no passing game.

So the landscape was a little different and set the stage for both reactions.

Anyway I dont like comparing games for obvious reasons. It doesnt do either side justice.

Lets go get some SeaChicken today!!!!

 

[OldSchool]

Given the context/circumstances...I think he DID have a good game, and I'm sure that McVay and the team would agree.

UDFA
First game ever
We/He won
We clinched the playoffs
He had drives of 83, 81 , 59 & 71 yards
Had multiple big 3rd down conversions (including a game killing run on 3rd and 8)
Clutch 4th down conversion
3 x 20+ yard completions
Threw for 200+ and rushed for 50+.....which no player has ever done in their first game
etc.

All in his first game, with the playoffs on the line...against a team who was also 'win and they're in'.
Context matters.

Again that means nothing in the end. He had bad passes showed a total lack of pocket awareness a couple of times leading to one sack taken. And his draft status means absolutely nothing. If he wants to be a starting QB it's his play on the field and his leadership that will matter not his draft status. That's just an excuse to brush off a barely acceptable performance.

 

[dieterbrock]

Given the context/circumstances...I think he DID have a good game, and I'm sure that McVay and the team would agree.

UDFA
First game ever
We/He won
We clinched the playoffs
He had drives of 83, 81 , 59 & 71 yards
Had multiple big 3rd down conversions (including a game killing run on 3rd and 8)
Clutch 4th down conversion
3 x 20+ yard completions
Threw for 200+ and rushed for 50+.....which no player has ever done in their first game
etc.

All in his first game, with the playoffs on the line...against a team who was also 'win and they're in'.
Context matters.

Context absolutely matters, which is ironic considering you quoted me completely out of context.

Playing a good game under the circumstances (I actually said great but you left that out) is not the same thing as playing a good game.
There are no points given for circumstances, no participation trophies.
To win today's game will require a very good, possibly great overall game. Not an "under the circumstances" effort.
Last week was not a good game for a playoff caliber winning QB. It wasnt.
Goff is 7-0 in games where the defense gave up 7 points or less, they would have won that game had he played too

 

[dieterbrock]

Well.....again, in fairness to all, one game got us into the playoffs against a team that also had playoff aspirations.

And one had a dominating defensive performance, who scored as many points as the offense, and the other one didnt...

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

don't get me wrong i want goff to start because i don't want a qb controversy at this time of the season. it is interesting how so many of you think that wolfman up side is limited but a lot of those are the same ones who think that our ol men will just get better and better with experience. the wolfman set records for most passing and running yards in first game so experience should help him also. many think that because you can go back and see games where goff looked like the next great thing that he is going to return to that type of play to those i say jim evertte phantom sack. i know this sounds like i am a big wolfman fan and i probably am but mostly i just want goff to have some competition next training camp because i think he became to secure in his starting position

Sorry I must have missed the part where I was marginalizing the Wolf’s upside, my post was meant that I’m in the camp that perhaps it might not be a good thing making your very second nfl start vs a battle tested Pete Carroll defense

if Wolford gets the call, I’m all in

Cheers!

it’s let’s kick the Seahawks ass game day!

 

[Ramlock]

I agree with @OldSchool that the critics of Goff are so done with him they'll forgive any flaw in a replacement.

For some, Goff is a huge personal and emotional disappointment, who makes too many embarrassing mistakes for them to tolerate.

I don’t see anyone saying it but Goff is trying to do too much, because he’s the offense now.

As the Rams transition through the dead money of Cooks and Gurley, he has to carry more of the load.

Nor have they replaced the fresh Sullivan of ‘17 & ‘18 or Saffold.


It’s going to take more than 4 poor performances in 2020 for me....play within yourself, 16.

 

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And one had a dominating defensive performance, who scored as many points as the offense, and the other one didnt...

Yeah so you see my point, Another unfair conparison.



Let me get out of this conversation with my dignity. I really am not convicted either way lol