(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

[nighttrain]

Wolford is fun t watch, but Goff is our starter, especially when healthy
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[RamsFanCK]

I’m personally a big fan of Jourdann.


View: https://twitter.com/JourdanRodrigue/status/1347254175600504832

hahhahahah that is so epic!

Anyone know if Goff has taken any snaps from under center yet? I don't really want to be exclusively in shotgun on Saturday...

 

[RamDino]

Just my opinion, again, on this topic. But Goff definitely has more talent than Wolford. The only concern is his thumb, and I would venture that even McVay might be waiting until tomorrow, and let Goff's thumb decide who is starting. It really doesn't matter what any of us think, so there is no reason to get angry or frustrated with each other. McVay is the only one who decides who is playing, and I trust McVay more than anyone on this board. And I will root for whichever QB is in there. I like both QB's... I am a RAMS FAN first an foremost, but let's face it... it doesn't matter what we think..., McVay and Snead aren't reading our posts, so no reason to get upset with anyone unless they are being trolls. Again... JMHO.

 

[jacktheripper85]

Can we please put this Wolford topic in perspective. I mean...the guy played 1 game and it seems like half the board already thinks he’s a good QB.

Explain that logic when just 2 years ago our starter and #1 pick took us to a Super Bowl and everyone was calling him the next Tom Brady. Now everyone thinks he should split time or be replaced by a guy who wasn’t drafted, played in the Arena League and put 9 points on the board. Explain that logic.
I mean the guy looked ok out there but can we at least wait until he has a body of work and other teams actually have the opportunity and game plan around him before we try and make any definitive opinions about him.

 

[NJRamsFan]

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I understand that. None of this discussion matters. I am an “out of the box” innovative type thinker. I guess that gets me in trouble sometimes. I believe though, that having two good QBs is a good problem to have. I do believe Goff can do well on Saturday if he plays. I am just not sure if I trust his grip. Time will tell. I just don’t want Goff rushing back to save his job if his thumb isn’t ready. I believe with our OL a scrambling QB could be good. At least Whit is coming back. Go Rams!

I understand man and sometimes different scenarios are fun to consider. I also agree that it is nice to know we have a backup capable of coming in and getting some first downs with his legs but honestly, do we really know more than that? Are you really comfortable saying we have 2 good qbs just based on last weeks performance? I saw some cool things outa wolford and he was a breath of fresh air that brought excitement but I’m not comfortable to say he’s a good qb or that he’s threatening Goff‘s job. Based off what? A few what coulda beens if it weren’t for this that and the third? All the power in the world to Wolford for sticking in there for the W, but he objectively did not play what the modern NFL would deem “well” for a QB.

I forget which poster said it earlier but it seems like people are seeing what they want to see in Wolford out of displeasure with Goff. Instead of seeing a tough SOB trying to get back on the field a week after surgery and help his team win you see a guy rushing back for job security? And like I said what’s really threatening his job At this point? A 57% completion percentage, 64% rating, 231 yds 0td 1int and few fun to watch scrambling first downs? Not in my book.

 

[T-REX]

IMO…If Goff is cleared to play, he starts. If Goff struggles, I would not hesitate to pull him for Wolford.


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[Marc Spector]

Can we please put this Wolford topic in perspective. I mean...the guy played 1 game and it seems like half the board already thinks he’s a good QB.

Explain that logic when just 2 years ago our starter and #1 pick took us to a Super Bowl and everyone was calling him the next Tom Brady. Now everyone thinks he should split time or be replaced by a guy who wasn’t drafted, played in the Arena League and put 9 points on the board. Explain that logic.
I mean the guy looked ok out there but can we at least wait until he has a body of work and other teams actually have the opportunity and game plan around him before we try and make any definitive opinions about him.

Its less to do with thinking Wolford is all World and more to do with Jared doing nothing to instill confidence in a lot of fans (myself included). Since the Dolphins game, its apparent that the Rams were more a defensive powerhouse than offensive and because of that, the QB position simply needed to not turn the ball over AND dominate time of possession. Wolford is off to a rocky start in the turnover department, but at the very least he can extend plays and drives. Jared cant AND he turns the ball over. And thats pre broken thumb even.

 

[OldSchool]

Its less to do with thinking Wolford is all World and more to do with Jared doing nothing to instill confidence in a lot of fans (myself included). Since the Dolphins game, its apparent that the Rams were more a defensive powerhouse than offensive and because of that, the QB position simply needed to not turn the ball over AND dominate time of possession. Wolford is off to a rocky start in the turnover department, but at the very least he can extend plays and drives. Jared cant AND he turns the ball over. And thats pre broken thumb even.

For me I know what Jared can be, think back to the Vikings TNF game the Chiefs MNF game and many others and while he can have stinkers we all know that I don't know if Wolford at his best can ever even come close to what we've seen Jared do when he's on. I'd rather roll with the guy I know can have great games than the guy who I'm not sure can ever be close to that good. Not trying to throw shade at Wolford but we just don't know if he can be that good and rolling into the playoffs IMHO isn't the time to answer that question if Jared can go.

 

[Marc Spector]

For me I know what Jared can be, think back to the Vikings TNF game the Chiefs MNF game and many others and while he can have stinkers we all know that I don't know if Wolford at his best can ever even come close to what we've seen Jared do when he's on. I'd rather roll with the guy I know can have great games than the guy who I'm not sure can ever be close to that good. Not trying to throw shade at Wolford but we just don't know if he can be that good and rolling into the playoffs IMHO isn't the time to answer that question if Jared can go.

I hear ya but the Rams arent that team that played the Cheifs and Vikings anymore. And despite the record and making the playoffs, IMO Jared (and the coaching staff) have failed to make the transition to what his role should be that best suits THIS team. Once again the rams dont need a prolific scorer at QB (though itd be nice), just someone to keep opposing Defenses honest and on the field as much as possible.

Regardless, Saturdays the day and whoever is taking snaps, i hope can snag the W.

 

[RentonRamsFan]

Nah, opened the playbook isnt accurate. Fact is that throwing the ball downfield is less risky. They dont want him taking chances on routes that DB's can jump and turn in to 6.

I never thought of it that way. However, if this is true, wouldn't McVay dial up more downfield passes for Goff who has thrown multiple pick sixes starting with the Miami game? To be clear, I'm not trying to bash Goff...what I really want is for the diversity shown in the passing game with Wolford to be the new normal regardless of who's under center.

 

[Alaskan Ram]

Can we please put this Wolford topic in perspective. I mean...the guy played 1 game and it seems like half the board already thinks he’s a good QB.

Explain that logic when just 2 years ago our starter and #1 pick took us to a Super Bowl and everyone was calling him the next Tom Brady. Now everyone thinks he should split time or be replaced by a guy who wasn’t drafted, played in the Arena League and put 9 points on the board. Explain that logic.
I mean the guy looked ok out there but can we at least wait until he has a body of work and other teams actually have the opportunity and game plan around him before we try and make any definitive opinions about him.

Gay put 10 points on the board. The defense put 8. Wolford put zero points on the board.

Warner played in the arena football league, not Wolford.

Wolford extended drives and played like a warrior out there. Most fun I've had watching a game all year

Goff can be brilliant when he's on his game. One tough son of a bitch too.

I'll root for who ever is behind center.

Who ever it is needs to play smart and compliment this number 1 defense.

Go Rams!

 

[RamWoodie]

Nah, opened the playbook isnt accurate. Fact is that throwing the ball downfield is less risky. They dont want him taking chances on routes that DB's can jump and turn in to 6.

Yeah...thats more accurate. Especially when he call RPO plays for him...that made my eyes pop open...and they were good calls too!

 

[Soul Surfer]

Nah, opened the playbook isnt accurate. Fact is that throwing the ball downfield is less risky. They dont want him taking chances on routes that DB's can jump and turn in to 6.

I think you ALWAYS have to take a few shots downfield.
I actually wouldn't run more than six or seven plays without tossing one downfield.
One reason is that it opens up the run game and the short pass game underneath when you have defensive backs covering the whole field.
There has to be a threat of a deep game, especially in McVay's offense.
Bootlegs and roll outs are made to help your wide receivers get downfield.
And you have to have a good run game to make the bootleg effective.

Short passes and passes to the outside, rather than deep shots downfield, are way more likely to get returned for a Pick 6.

You always have to work those defensive backs psychologically with the deep pass that they could get burned.
And that helps you get holding calls and pass interference for your wide receivers.

I think Goff's biggest problem this year is that he's missing the down-field threat.

Plus we've seen the offensive line degress badly without Whitfield and we could use a stronger Center at the point of attack.

I'm going with Wolford at the moment but I think we could easily win with Goff as well if you fix those problems in the future.

JMO

 

[Flatlyner]

After initially thinking that Wolf would surely get the start tomorrow, I'm now thinking they will give the start to Goff. I'm not sure he will finish the game though. One good hit on a broken thumb with pins in it is likely to either knock him out of the game, or make him so cautious he isn't effective at all. I expect to see Wolford come into the game because there is no way we are keeping Goff clean the whole game. That said, I certainly expect a ton of short quick passes and runs... problem is, so will Seattle. I personally think its a mistake to start someone with that type of injury to their throwing thumb this soon. Especially when that player played a bit scared already, which has lead to some idiotic decisions and turnovers. We cannot afford that tomorrow.

 

[Rams43]

Here’s a thought about a possible scenario regarding Goff’s thumb.

What if it’s a mere hairline fracture type thing? If so, then I could see a couple of screws stabilizing it and at the same time a minimum of pain for Goff when gripping the ball.

I’m just speculating here, of course, but my theory does fit all the known facts.

So, if it’s just a hairline fracture, then starting Goff does make a helluva lot of sense. And McVay is just playing mind games with Petey about a possible Wolford start.

 

[So Ram]

I think you ALWAYS have to take a few shots downfield.
I actually wouldn't run more than six or seven plays without tossing one downfield.
One reason is that it opens up the run game and the short pass game underneath when you have defensive backs covering the whole field.
There has to be a threat of a deep game, especially in McVay's offense.
Bootlegs and roll outs are made to help your wide receivers get downfield.
And you have to have a good run game to make the bootleg effective.

Short passes and passes to the outside, rather than deep shots downfield, are way more likely to get returned for a Pick 6.

You always have to work those defensive backs psychologically with the deep pass that they could get burned.
And that helps you get holding calls and pass interference for your wide receivers.

I think Goff's biggest problem this year is that he's missing the down-field threat.

Plus we've seen the offensive line degress badly without Whitfield and we could use a stronger Center at the point of attack.

I'm going with Wolford at the moment but I think we could easily win with Goff as well if you fix those problems in the future.

JMO

Yeah -Whitfield

Don’t agree. I honestly look forward to this game just to see how the 2 teams pan out.

This D-Line shouldn’t be much of a problem Saturday. The Hags running
game has got a lot better.

Russell Wilson is going to put up points. Just see the game going in a different direction than yours.

Jared Goff just needs to manage the game at a Very High Level.

Ibthink The Rams future is bright either way come Saturday.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

I understand man and sometimes different scenarios are fun to consider. I also agree that it is nice to know we have a backup capable of coming in and getting some first downs with his legs but honestly, do we really know more than that? Are you really comfortable saying we have 2 good qbs just based on last weeks performance? I saw some cool things outa wolford and he was a breath of fresh air that brought excitement but I’m not comfortable to say he’s a good qb or that he’s threatening Goff‘s job. Based off what? A few what coulda beens if it weren’t for this that and the third? All the power in the world to Wolford for sticking in there for the W, but he objectively did not play what the modern NFL would deem “well” for a QB.

I forget which poster said it earlier but it seems like people are seeing what they want to see in Wolford out of displeasure with Goff. Instead of seeing a tough SOB trying to get back on the field a week after surgery and help his team win you see a guy rushing back for job security? And like I said what’s really threatening his job At this point? A 57% completion percentage, 64% rating, 231 yds 0td 1int and few fun to watch scrambling first downs? Not in my book.

Good points, but Goff’s last few games were worse imho. Still, it’s a way to see what we have moving forward, arm talent notwithstanding. I’m not looking for a controversy as I said Wolford is likely QB2 talent. I just want Jared to want it a lot more. That’s why I’m starting Wolford. I’m giving my underperforming starter pause. Incentive with prudence. Just my two cents.

 

[dieterbrock]

I’d seriously like to know why you can’t start with your backup. Nick Foles is also wondering. Thanks.

What does Nick Foles have to do with it? If you are referring to the Eagles SB run, Wentz was out for the year, surely you realize the difference there?
If Goff cant go, start Wolford. If Goff can play, he plays. Period. He is the starting QB.
If you start Wolford over a healthy enough to play Goff, then you are benching your starting QB.
That is silly. I get it that fans go gaga over the newest and shiniest toy, but the coaching stuff doesnt. If McVay came to the conclusion that Wolford should start over Goff based on last week's game, then the franchise is in trouble.

 

[dieterbrock]

I never thought of it that way. However, if this is true, wouldn't McVay dial up more downfield passes for Goff who has thrown multiple pick sixes starting with the Miami game? To be clear, I'm not trying to bash Goff...what I really want is for the diversity shown in the passing game with Wolford to be the new normal regardless of who's under center.

Different situations. Play calling for Wolford was a surprise to the Cards who had no idea what to expect. They were sitting on routes, like the INT, looking for him to make mistakes. And yes his mobility also allowed more time for the routes to materialize.
End of the day, they had the lead (thanks to the defense) and this was how McVay could stay conservative protecting the lead. Now if they trailed for an extensive amount of time? When Arizona could have peeled their ears back? I'm sure the whole thing would have looked different

 

[dieterbrock]

I think you ALWAYS have to take a few shots downfield.
I actually wouldn't run more than six or seven plays without tossing one downfield.
One reason is that it opens up the run game and the short pass game underneath when you have defensive backs covering the whole field.
There has to be a threat of a deep game, especially in McVay's offense.
Bootlegs and roll outs are made to help your wide receivers get downfield.
And you have to have a good run game to make the bootleg effective.

Short passes and passes to the outside, rather than deep shots downfield, are way more likely to get returned for a Pick 6.

You always have to work those defensive backs psychologically with the deep pass that they could get burned.
And that helps you get holding calls and pass interference for your wide receivers.

I think Goff's biggest problem this year is that he's missing the down-field threat.

Plus we've seen the offensive line degress badly without Whitfield and we could use a stronger Center at the point of attack.

I'm going with Wolford at the moment but I think we could easily win with Goff as well if you fix those problems in the future.

JMO

I'd love to see more deep shots, but the Arizona game is a different subject. Those shots were there to take because Wolford was at QB, now there's a l'il bit of tape on him, coverage will look quite different