(Poll) Who would you start this weekend? The Wolford/Goff Collection Thread

[NJRamsFan]

We have already been on the receiving end of the greatest QB miracle in league history. So unlikely that happens again.

But...

I expect Wolford to play very well vs Arizona because our line should show well and because this team knows they are out of excuses.

Hey it was unlikely back then too

 

[payote75]

Wolford really does remind me of Doug Flutie .....he really has some very quick legs and seems to drop the ball everywhere it needs to. I may be wearing my rams glasses yet again but I just feel this guy has some serious ability. He could suck but even in the shit league and wake forest he looks like he gets it. If akers plays that could be huge for him as well. All I know is no matter what happens I don't want to play with the fear of losing I want mcvay to unleash whatever offensive wizardry he has. Leave it all out there.

 

[Loyal]

Wolfy, and give him a LOOOOOONG leash!
"Wolfy, we are rolling with you as long as I'm coach!" ~ McSnead

 

[Merlin]

I really hope McVay doesn’t go into more of a shell with Wolford.
He likely will.
Arizona has more sacks than any other team the last several weeks.
If McVay just runs and throws WR screens the Rams will have a hard time doing anything.
I’d expect to see 10 defenders within 6 yards of the line of scrimmage.

One thing that it's important to remember is that MCVAY doesn't tell Goff where to go with the ball. Goff has a read order and it's HIS job to dish it. The fact that he often settles for short yarders is more about the QB and the protections than it is the head coach or OC.

So re: Wolford going into a shell... I'll bet you that will not happen. Why not? Because he's going to get through the reads. He's fresh and won't be thinking self preservation. He'll be playing with his dick out.

 

[RAMBUSH]

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[RAMBUSH]

#9

 

[Merlin]

At any rate, for me it's impossible to get past Goff's turnovers.

Goff has played like a JAG this year. His turnovers are inexcusable outside of the most homer type fans who just don't want to see it.

But that doesn't mean he's done. That he can't come back next year and have a bounceback season. People are so fucking extreme on everything nowadays man. He's a guy who had a lot more shit put on him (protections, call changes at the line, etc) this season and struggled with it. There's every reason to think he might work his way back.

As usual I find myself in the middle thinking both sides are fucking insane lol.

 

[badnews]

It's awesome that you don't care what he's paid, but I do. What every player is paid has consequences down the line.

As a fan, which is short for fanatic, I have the right to care what each player is paid because its often the reason why were not able to keep other players, like Rodger Saffold.

I also consider myself to be a fairly knowledgeable and unbiased fan - I try not to get too attached and I try not to bash a player when they don't deserve it, even though that's objective.

At any rate, for me it's impossible to get past Goff's turnovers. We've heard numerous times that the main thing McVay is asking him to do is do a better job of protecting the ball. To continue to see so many awful decisions is unspeakably unacceptable. It's literally the main thing he needs to be more successful at, yet he continues to be the worst in the NFL at it. There are QBs with worse - everything, in terms of supporting cast - and less turnovers.

Yes he's made good plays too - but the turnovers are just beyond unacceptable and IMO it leaves him open to every single reaction that Rams fans have, including the fans wanting him replaced.

I agree that it's the hardest job in sports, but the problem is that he's currently the worst in the NFL at turning the ball over and there's no excuse for that. And to be fair, most fans aren't making excuses for that.

Its made worse by the fact that our defense is so good - McVay preaches complementary football - so from this perspective Goff's turnovers are just disgusting. Probably a bad example but it's gotten to the point for me where it's like a significant other cheating on you - yes they did some great things and had great times, but it's to the deal breaker point for me. He already turned the ball over a lot last year and now this year it's continued - for me, deal breaker. The base expectation for a QB is to limit turnovers - even ignoring the pay aspect, I'd want to bring a QB in here to challenge him next year.

I never said anything about how anyone else is supposed to think about what a player is paid. I don't care if you do. It doesn't upset me, I just wouldn't recommend it.
I explained my own perspective because I know that it's not the norm. What a player is paid is a really big deal to guys who aren't happy with a player.
I know about fanaticism and about being a diehard football fan. They are very different things. I am a fan. I used to drive 4 hours one way just to watch the rams practice every chance I could. I've spent countless dollars on terrible Rams teams year after year.
Letting a form of entertainment ruin my whole week or cloud my judgment or make me want to throw things or kick things or attack people's character just because I'm angry that they lost.... that's the easy way. Thats what the inner child in me wants to do. Let my emotions run the show.
The parent in me wants to teach my child to love the Rams too. Hard to do that if watching them play turns me into an irrational asshole every other game. I learned how to watch games without losing my shit after I scared my daughter by getting so worked up over a lousy Rams team. So I learned how to not be that way: perspective.
But that's just me. That doesn't have to be you or anyone else. It doesn't make me better or anyone else worse.

My thing about pay extends outside of football. What I make for a living is my business. What others make is their own and all that matters is how they perform.
Sure, from a purely economic standpoint it matters how the cap is allocated. But when I am bothered by a contract, I am upset with the mgmt, not the player. Not unless its obvious that they are ripping off the team and not giving their all. Then that's detestable. But I don't think that applies to this situation at all.

But the bigger point is real life is hard enough. Worrying about how much money the star of my favorite all-male soap opera makes is something I can't control. I don't need the burden of someone elses problems. My job as a fan is to enjoy the product they offer and to support them.

To be clear - there's nothing wrong with how you do being a fan or how you think about the cap. I just have to do it my way. Thats all I meant.

 

[Ewe83]

 

[sjm1582002]

Bortles has at least done something when a high stakes game was on the line.

But Wolfie has been practicing all year so lets see what he can do in the 1st half.

 

[Mojo Ram]

What is getting lost in all the Rams' problems is that the Cardinals are a mess right now too. They're not playing well, Murray is visibly pouting and he's also hurt. They're 2-6 in last eight games if not for the hail mary vs Buffalo.

Chase Edmunds is out and i'd rather face Drake anyway.
Their Dline is depleted, they looked lifeless vs SF. Kingsbury has no idea how to right the ship either. You should hear his local radio interviews.

Be glad we're not playing a hot team or a team with confidence.

 

[SteezyEndo]

I say Wolford, because if he balls out he might be the only QB behind Goff that might be the catalyst that gets that fire lit under Goff and encourages him to get his shit together. We will see though. Hell if Wolford tanks we still got Bortles. We got short term options not long term. I would really like Goff to take this time to reflect though and see if he can better himself.

 

[jacktheripper85]

 

[FrantikRam]

I never said anything about how anyone else is supposed to think about what a player is paid. I don't care if you do. It doesn't upset me, I just wouldn't recommend it.
I explained my own perspective because I know that it's not the norm. What a player is paid is a really big deal to guys who aren't happy with a player.
I know about fanaticism and about being a diehard football fan. They are very different things. I am a fan. I used to drive 4 hours one way just to watch the rams practice every chance I could. I've spent countless dollars on terrible Rams teams year after year.
Letting a form of entertainment ruin my whole week or cloud my judgment or make me want to throw things or kick things or attack people's character just because I'm angry that they lost.... that's the easy way. Thats what the inner child in me wants to do. Let my emotions run the show.
The parent in me wants to teach my child to love the Rams too. Hard to do that if watching them play turns me into an irrational asshole every other game. I learned how to watch games without losing my shit after I scared my daughter by getting so worked up over a lousy Rams team. So I learned how to not be that way: perspective.
But that's just me. That doesn't have to be you or anyone else. It doesn't make me better or anyone else worse.

My thing about pay extends outside of football. What I make for a living is my business. What others make is their own and all that matters is how they perform.
Sure, from a purely economic standpoint it matters how the cap is allocated. But when I am bothered by a contract, I am upset with the mgmt, not the player. Not unless its obvious that they are ripping off the team and not giving their all. Then that's detestable. But I don't think that applies to this situation at all.

But the bigger point is real life is hard enough. Worrying about how much money the star of my favorite all-male soap opera makes is something I can't control. I don't need the burden of someone elses problems. My job as a fan is to enjoy the product they offer and to support them.

To be clear - there's nothing wrong with how you do being a fan or how you think about the cap. I just have to do it my way. Thats all I meant.

I'm in a similar situation. I've calmed down a lot over the years to where my reactions during the game are only 10% what they used to be. I wasn't even upset on Sunday - my wife was aware of the score and late in the game she was like "you seem.....okay".

This is what ROD should be - you and I can disagree about Goff but we're both still fans with common ground.

 

[FrantikRam]

Goff has played like a JAG this year. His turnovers are inexcusable outside of the most homer type fans who just don't want to see it.

But that doesn't mean he's done. That he can't come back next year and have a bounceback season. People are so fucking extreme on everything nowadays man. He's a guy who had a lot more shit put on him (protections, call changes at the line, etc) this season and struggled with it. There's every reason to think he might work his way back.

As usual I find myself in the middle thinking both sides are fucking insane lol.

At the end of the day, he will have next year. What's going to be interesting is with the cap situation - the only way to make room without making the offense worse is to turn over the defense.

And we need to make room to get a better supporting cast - but the problem is, other players and teams have to cooperate - letting our defensive FAs go only to not be able to land anything on offense wouldn't be ideal.

On the flip side, we can't count on rookies to make that much of a difference either.

But while I do think he's shot, it doesn't matter - he will get next year and that will likely decide where he's playing in 2022.

 

[den-the-coach]

Really wanted to select Dieter Brock, but I’m still upset over the loss to the Bears in 85.

 

[Loyal]

Really wanted to select Dieter Brock, but I’m still upset over the loss to the Bears in 85.

Bruh, it was the '85 Bears! ~ Dieter

 

[RamFanWA]

I can't vote for Manion??? BwahHAhA!!

 

[RhodyRams]

someone who could read defenses, see the plays as they develop, and have the ability to find the open receiver and has the endless passion to win

I nominate @Loyal

 

[Loyal]

someone who could read defenses, see the plays as they develop, and have the ability to find the open receiver and has the endless passion to win

I nominate @Loyal

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