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Petition to Replace Vinovitch with a Different Ref
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The Rams under Fisher were the chippiest team in the NFL. That's why so many penalties. The rep was well earned and sometimes they played a little past the edge.
I've talked about holding calls all tyear. It's not just Donald, it's every defender in the NFL. They need at least one other guy back there because one guy can't keep his eyes on 10 -12 people. The guys playing OL have figured out how and when they can get away with it and they do. The NFL as far as I am concerned HAS to put an extra person in the backfield and start calling holding until it stops.
Every method of fudging in every sport gets used by players, I get that. But helmet to helmet hits, horse collar tackles, chop blocks, contact past 5 yards and so on all got the players to change and adjust. Calling the penalties because there is an extra set of eyes back there will stop it from happening as much.
If you go look at any NFL teams message boards EVERYONE is complaining about it because it's a league wide issue.
jacktheripper85
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I hear what you are saying but you talk about needing another ref. I see this holding crap going on right in front of the ref and he won’t throw the flag. Do we need another ref or just need the one who’s supposed to be watching the line throw the flag?
If you look at how the refs are positioned it makes it clear that another person is needed. There is no way one guy can watch everything, and especially on the left side of the OL. Often what we see are closeups and angles, and if you watch replays look at how often the R has his view obscured. It happens an AWFUL lot.
Imagine if only two guys were watching the entire secondary..........the OPI and DPI we would see would drive us crazy just like the holding is.
They have to fix this, and it isn't even hard.
LARAMSinFeb.
Hall of Fame
Yep, we should sign but sharing it is where the traction will happen.
The Umpire now lines up behind the line of scrimmage opposite the Referee most of the game, probably to do just that. Also, Umpires were getting beat up with crossing routes and generally getting in the way of traffic between LB's, WR's and the footballIf you look at how the refs are positioned it makes it clear that another person is needed. There is no way one guy can watch everything, and especially on the left side of the OL. Often what we see are closeups and angles, and if you watch replays look at how often the R has his view obscured. It happens an AWFUL lot.
Imagine if only two guys were watching the entire secondary..........the OPI and DPI we would see would drive us crazy just like the holding is.
They have to fix this, and it isn't even hard.
Then why are you in this thread repeatedly complaining about the rest of us pointing out ref bias and incompetence? Maybe the next petition should go directly to Goodell and the rest of the boobs in charge of the referees.
We now have some that have been hired full-time. We have multiple cameras everywhere. Instant replays looked at by supposed experts in New York, yet the screwups continue game after game. Some of the calls and non-calls are jaw-droppingly ridiculous.
Players train their bodies year round and undergo injuries and great pain and coaches spend huge amounts of hours to have their team be the best they can be. But one fat-ass on the field wearing zebra stripes can undo everything with one bad call.
It's no wonder every fan base gets bent out of shape and complains.
Yeah... toss rag, old DNA rifle, wankers.
I love it. And I mean zero disrespect with the following video clip. It just popped to mind.
View: https://youtu.be/8d8h1lbzoHY
Incompetence and bias are two completely different things.
The gist is the Vinovich is "out to get the Rams" essentially.
And I only addressed the holding issue in that post.
Other things, like he is the only person to toss Long and Donald are simply anecdotal nonsensical stuff.
The Rams, if you look at the graphs I posted, had tons of calls go against them by a few refs.
This shouldn't shock anyone. The coaching staff had Williams for a bit and Fisher for almost 5 years.
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You gotta laugh at a fanbase criticizing us for being distrustful of the refs while they whine about how persecuted their team is lol.
Elmgrovegnome
Legend
On the Saffold Unsportsmanlike penalty, he shoved a Saint and the flag flew then he was blindsided by another Saint who had a running start and was knocked down. No flag for retaliation from a third party. Those penalties should offset.
The Saints were driving toward the goal with .33 left at they half. They were running out of time to tack on another 7. That penalty was half the distance to the goal and a first down. Lame.
At 8:01 in the third period Mike Thomas extends a drive after a very obvious push off of Peters. No flag. It was much worse that Peters Pass Interference, where he basically laid his hands on the receiver without grabbing or redirecting while trying to make a play on the ball.
Elmgrovegnome
Legend
Holy crap! This is getting some serious run!
https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/pos...tting-on-rams-vs-saints-nfc-championship-game
https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/pos...tting-on-rams-vs-saints-nfc-championship-game
So what? Are refs calling penalties based on reputation now? How about calling a game fair and square for both teams based solely on what happens on the field.
There was an article about how much prep the refs have to do just to be as terrible as they are. In it they (one of the refs) mentioned that during the week leading up to a game they take time to learn what players tend to commit which fouls so they know where to look first the game. Which sounds a lot like confirmation bias in progress. They think player A commits a lot of holding, so they look for player A to commit holding, they see something they maybe was holding but they aren't sure, then they call player A for holding because they know he does it a lot.
What happens in a game is secondary to what the ref thinks is going to happen. Given the speed of the game and the fact that they are in possibly the worst position imaginable to determine penalties or assess anything correctly, it's not surprising that they have biases that bleed through. That and they're human. Except Vinovitch. He's clearly a soul sucking demon.
SteezyEndo
The Immaculate Exception
Refs now days just seem to get in the way of things. Probably don’t really pay attention. Just thinking about where to grub when this game is over kind of 
... Quite frankly with technology now days you can remove the field personnel and just have Dean Blandino on the sky cam...
... Quite frankly with technology now days you can remove the field personnel and just have Dean Blandino on the sky cam...
Then how to explain Aaron Donald being held on most plays with rarely any penalties being called on opposing O-linemen? Surely these refs must be aware of that.
What bothers me the most about this is that penalties aren't being called fairly. The latest example is Marcus Peters being penalized(which he should have been) but Amari Cooper not being called even though he took a swing at Peters right in front of the refs. That should have been offsetting penalties.
Peters was the instigator but Cooper could have walked away.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I520XXB7Y3Y
Instant replay should be used on 15-yard penalties and especially on DPI where a team can gain tons of yardage because of a penalty. And yes, I'm willing for the game to be even longer than it is now as long as the refs get it right. The networks would be happy about that because they can show even more commercials.
