Officials/Refs (Any Accountability?)

[Ken]

Does any fan of any team think that their team gets all the breaks?
I don't think I know anyone who doesn't think that THEIR team gets BS penalties called against them

They let the refs have too much leeway in calling games. Call the obvious blatant penalties (e.g. offensive holding) when it's there. When you don't do that, then it becomes completely arbitrary, and potentially game outcome altering, when you do call holding on only 20-30% of the plays where it blatantly occurs (see scumbag Carrol's complaint).

 

[Dieter the Brock]

We need to create an Officiating school, then an Officiating draft - let the fans and teams have a vote in selecting who is gets the FULLTIME job of being a ref and that’ll solve it once and for all - cause it’ll give us a stake in the game, as oppose to Goodhell or some imaginary mafia syndicate, missed calls won’t seem like a conspiracy but simply what they are - human error

But really - i think to solve this you gotta make them ALL Full Time employees with big salaries - not just refs but sideline judges etc.

I mean for goodness sake Gene Steratore owns a janitorial supply company.....

Asshole Face:

"We're the only league with officials who have primary other jobs, which is really madness. We can pay these guys. They should be full-time NFL officials, and they should be working throughout the week, communicating. Every other sports league employs full-time officials. And ours, these guys all have other significant jobs. I just think it's very difficult to do."

 

[LesBaker]

So, the kicker fakes one way, resets and kicks the other. BUT, when he plants his foot to reset, he stepped over the line.

I was flabbergasted that wasn't called. Who ISN'T looking at the kicker during the kickoff???

The offsides was almost as bad.........but missing that call on the kicker was as bad as I have ever seen.

I keep saying it. When big money is at stake, anything goes. Refs could be shaving points. The NFL could be dictating outcomes. If it matters for any reason, they alter the calls. Keep the audience happy, and keep the owners happy. If you knew all the things that Kraft did for the NFL, to propel them financially then you would clearly see why the Patriots get league wide favoritism.

I don't agree with much of what you posted but I'm highlighting this because I want to know what Kraft did for the NFL..........

Also you do realize that every singe one of the refs and many others would have to be complicit. Literally hundreds of people would have to be involved. It would leak.

IMO if someone wanted to influence the outcome of a game it would be simpler to do with one player versus oodles of refs.



You are IMO correct.

The instance of a ref cheating in the NBA has been used ever since as "evidence" that every ref in every sport is "dirty". In that one instance, and there is no other evidence anywhere else ever, he was betting on the games himself.

One final thought to everyone who thinks the games are rigged..........why watch then?

 

[LesBaker]

But really - i think to solve this you gotta make them ALL Full Time employees with big salaries - not just refs but sideline judges etc.

The public pressure when the replacement refs were on the field prevented that for the time being.

It'll end up happening in the future though. If Goodell hadn't caved to all the media generated bullshit about how bad the replacements were we may have seen full time refs come from the negotiations with the union. It was on the table if I recall correctly but a deal got rushed through because of the publicity.

 

[EastRam]

The kickers plant foot is an exception to the rule of offsides.

The kicker is an exception to the rule on being offside on a kickoff. He may have his plant foot ahead of the ball or free kick line. Pro and NCAA rules refer to any other player being ahead of the kick as offside. ... These are live ball fouls in the NFL and NCAA, a dead ball foul in high school federation football.

 

[Karate61]

The kickers plant foot is an exception to the rule of offsides.

The kicker is an exception to the rule on being offside on a kickoff. He may have his plant foot ahead of the ball or free kick line. Pro and NCAA rules refer to any other player being ahead of the kick as offside. ... These are live ball fouls in the NFL and NCAA, a dead ball foul in high school federation football.

I was wondering about this in the back of my head. Thanks for sharing!

 

[LesBaker]

@OC--LeftCoast how was that worthy of an inappropriate tag?

 

[LesBaker]

The kickers plant foot is an exception to the rule of offsides.

The kicker is an exception to the rule on being offside on a kickoff. He may have his plant foot ahead of the ball or free kick line. Pro and NCAA rules refer to any other player being ahead of the kick as offside. ... These are live ball fouls in the NFL and NCAA, a dead ball foul in high school federation football.

Who cares they still should have called it!!!

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

@OC--LeftCoast how was that worthy of an inappropriate tag?

My mistake, it “Shirley” wasn’t intentional

:cheers:

 

[Merlin]

I keep saying it. When big money is at stake, anything goes.

Man I love me a good conspiracy post! Bravo! And yes, I think the league at large is geared towards competitive balance, in order to keep fans hopeful and squeeze every dime they can from fans. No doubt about it IMO, just look at the Patriots' first championship season post-9/11. Oh sure Patriots, go ahead and mug the GSoT receivers. Why not.

 

[UKram]

So i went back to prove a point to my brother that the refs screwed us on the last drive with the face mask called call on Christian .... but the replay showed Donald hitting Keenum on the helmet ...

And by the power of game pass and an iPhone record screen move

I present

View: https://youtu.be/Lc8LXQV5Ss4


The link should work but I’m not tech savvy enough to get it on here properly


I still think it’s a bs call

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

The only people that would have to know were owners and refs. Owners keep it quiet because the system is making money. The refs could sign a confidentiality agreement before being hired. Plus it wouldn’t have to be every crew. Just a few crews assigned to certain games.

Basketball refs had been influencing games for decades before someone confessing.

And what ever happened to the guy that did the filming for N.E.? Money can shut people up.

I’ll go back to the book and dig up Kraft’s contributions later.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I've been saying forever that if there is a financial incentive, someone will eventually attempt to facilitate it.

Yesterday seemed much more like an attempt to keep the game close and wasn't near as ugly as the attempt to maintain Seattle's competitive relevance against a division rival.

I'm not upset though, McVay did a great job staying disciplined and taking advantage of the team's opportunity to rush for over 200 yards. Not only did he keep a lot of his playbook hidden, but he also left a opposing DCs perplexed with how to stop his offense. It was also nice to see the defense show that they can handle close games.

Very good teams can overcome it usually.

 

[FaulkSF]

Someone should start a pro football referee focus site where they rate the referees. Fans and the NFL would truly know who the best and worst referee groups are.

 

[Mojo Ram]

My stance isn't necessarily that the league is fixing games in terms of wins and losses, but as i posted earlier....it's quite obvious to me that the league has an agenda via the referees to influence momentum in games to make these games more competitive, interesting to watch and dramatic when, for example, a team with a two score lead has all of the momentum and the ball with 7 min left in the game....at which point the parity police will suddenly bring out the holding calls, or most definitely throw that flag on a call that COULD GO EITHER WAY or be a NON-CALL...will certainly go to the team that needs help getting back into the game.

You can't tell me if you've watched any football at all that this practice isn't apparent to you. Forget being a Rams fan for a minute. It's not about that. I watch alot of 60 minute football games from start to finish. Now maybe if you're the casual fan watching just red zone and highlights around the league then you don't see this happening.

The NFL doesn't want viewers tuning out when the score is 27-14 with 7 min to go.

 

[Mojo Ram]

Most ties in an NFL season? Most overtime games in an NFL season? 2018 approaching records

If you feel like we're seeing more and more ties and overtimes in the NFL during the 2018 season, well, you're right. We are. In fact, if you were to ask, "What is the record for most ties in an NFL season?" or, "What's the record for most overtime games in an NFL season?" by the time January rolls around, you might be able to say both happened in 2018.

So far in 2018, at least one game has gone to overtime in each of the first six weeks, which is the first time that's happened in NFL history. All told there have been nine games that have gone to overtime through six weeks of the season.

The current record for most overtime games in one season is 25, which happened way back in 2002. There were also 23 in a season in 2003 for those that are curious. The 25 in 2002 is an average of 1.47 ties per week. We are currently on a 1.5 ties per week pace, and if it kept up the NFL would end up with 25.5 total overtime games for the season. Round up and it's the record, down and it still ties the record.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...es-in-an-nfl-season-2018-approaching-records/

 

[LesBaker]

My stance isn't necessarily that the league is fixing games in terms of wins and losses, but as i posted earlier....it's quite obvious to me that the league has an agenda via the referees to influence momentum in games to make these games more competitive, interesting to watch and dramatic when, for example, a team with a two score lead has all of the momentum and the ball with 7 min left in the game....at which point the parity police will suddenly bring out the holding calls, or most definitely throw that flag on a call that COULD GO EITHER WAY or be a NON-CALL...will certainly go to the team that needs help getting back into the game.

You can't tell me if you've watched any football at all that this practice isn't apparent to you. Forget being a Rams fan for a minute. It's not about that. I watch alot of 60 minute football games from start to finish. Now maybe if you're the casual fan watching just red zone and highlights around the league then you don't see this happening.

The NFL doesn't want viewers tuning out when the score is 27-14 with 7 min to go.

But that would take the same scope of cover-up that fixing wins and losses would, and something THAT huge couldn't be hidden.

The lone ref in the NBA got outed and certainly 200 plus people being involved in what you suggest would be as well.

All it would take is ONE unhappy ref, that got demoted or fired, which DOES happen and has on a regular basis for years now, to blow the top off of this whole thing. Or just ONE honest man in the entire union.

I'm ALL for discussing how poorly the refs perform, we cold fill a message board with just that topic, but I can't find a single shred of even circumstantial anything that there is this type of conspiracy. It would have been uncovered.

 

[Mojo Ram]

The 2017 season finished with 14 OT games.

 

[LesBaker]

But Mojo if what you are saying has any merit blowouts would be rare. We saw 6-7 this weekend alone.