A) Quinn isn't playing ILB in a 3-4 either. The point of my comparison between Ogletree and Forrest is that Forrest is about the same size. I'm not sure why he makes sense as a thumper either. He's not made for that role.
B) I watch the Rams every week. I don't need to use PFF's terrible grades. It's kind of odd that the Rams would have a good run defense considering our entire back seven were poor at defending the run according to PFF.
PFF doesn't account for scheme or understand how schemes and player responsibility work.
His role as a 3-4 ILB won't be any different than his role in Gregg Williams's defense. If anything, it's probably a bit easier for him.
C) It's a bit hard to believe that you don't assume this when you keep claiming that Wade Phillips is going to put Ogletree in a role that misuses his skillset. It doesn't really add up.
D) I've reached the point of getting irritated by the notion that the Rams just need to trade every defensive player. People have questioned the fit and floated the idea of trading every defensive player on this team who isn't a FA, even Aaron Donald. And it often comes from misunderstanding Wade Phillips and his scheme. Barron and Hayes are the two guys who don't 100% fit. Hayes could play a rotational role at DE. Barron could play ILB or SS. But I could see the Rams trading one or both for the right value. The other players fit this scheme perfectly well. Quinn has an identical body to a number of successful OLBs in Wade's scheme. He's the prototype for what Wade wants in a WOLB. The same is true of Ogletree at WILB.
E) Wade Phillips took this job for a reason. That reason wasn't to trade every player on this defense away and rebuild it from scratch. He reportedly did not want to work for the Redskins because he didn't want to have to rebuild that defense. He took our job because he felt our defense had the right pieces.
A) No one has used the word thumper but you. A JACK ILB doesn't necessarily call for a thumper, this is your word, not mine.
B) I also watch the Rams every week, ... I also enjoy reading PFF's take, not as a bible, but as a guideline which helps verify some of what we've seen for ourselves. Judging PFF is like judging someone else's marriage, we only get to see what little is given us by a single camera angle, rarely the entire unobstructed play. Unless you are privy to game film, you only get to see the biased view presented by the TV Network, which most always focuses on the ball. Even replays don't always tell the entire story. In an instant the ball is snapped and the camera angle changes to where the OL and much of the defense is obscured, then the camera narrows down to the ball, the carrier or QB, the receiver and ultimately the immediate defensive threat. Everyone else is out of the picture for a time, so without the complete picture of NFL film, few fans can generate an accurate portrayal of what everyone is doing. This is where PFF enters the picture, they have access to film we fans rarely see, they can go about their business relating unbiased action on the field to a grading system. No-one claims their many scouts and coaching analysts never make mistakes, but they wouldn't be in business if they had no more to go on than we fans. PFF isn't judging schemes in its grading, just the individual player on a given play.
C) I've never assumed a thing, although I reserve the right to question. I've never even said Ogletree can't meet Phillips' standard, but based on his CAP, entering free agency in a year, and his less than stellar first and perhaps last year as a 4-3 MLB, i'm not sure we will see a huge statistical improvement as a first year 3-4 ILB. I've never said any such thing as Phillips "is going to put Ogletree in a role that misuses his skill set".
Just the opposite, I feel Wade will do his best to help Ogletree, i'm just not sure whether he'll be more successful as a 3-4 ILB than as a 4-3 WLB where he has a proven skill set.
D) I'm sorry you get irritated, but i'm also yet to see a post where a fan "floated the idea of trading every defensive player on this team who isn't a FA". Fans have every right to question how a new scheme will work or how it possibly affects those few players which may need to adjust their game somewhat. Even if the challenge may be more subtle than some understand, it's still a change and some will likely prove better than others with the adjustment. Even Phillips will have to adjust some in order to adapt to his new players' skill set. Somehow, it appears you've given us permission to discuss challenges for Hayes & Barron, but ruled the others off-limits. How one reaches the conclusion that all but Hayes & Barron are a 100% fit is a bit beyond me at this point in time, but i'll go ahead and hope you are correct while also holding out hope the other two aren't that far behind.
E) Guess i'll have to accept this line as a strawman of sorts, being i've witnessed no such post by others or myself suggesting such an idea.
jmo.
