Odell Beckham available for trade?

[Dieter the Brock]

Not me. I say let the Rams take on the “problem” of a HOF talent (who made the greatest catch in history, BTW).
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Here is Kenny Britt with a one-handed catch are we gonna sign him?

Granted - One-handed catches are neato

 

[SAK11]

The first time Goff overthrows OBJ or targets Woods or Kupp more than him, he's going to start running his mouth complaining and acting like 4 year old, and it will continue every day until the Rams get rid of him. It's just what he does.

I don’t remember that being his reputation in New York. He’ll get upset about losing or a poor performance, but he was more than happy when teammates made the big plays, and Eli made plenty of mistakes and I never saw him cuss him out.

Damon Harrison said this in February: “I have yet to see him complain on the sideline about not getting the ball. It’s other things. If it’s not going right he shows his emotions, and that’s how he chooses to lead, and he’s a leader. He’s a leader of this football team despite what everybody may believe.”

I do remember that Sammy Watkins complained during his time in Buffalo, though.

I feel like OBJ’s flaws are getting exaggerated at this point. He’s shown immaturity but some of the stuff being presented as fact in this thread hasn’t actually happened in reality.

 

[tempests]

Damon Harrison said this in February: “I have yet to see him complain on the sideline about not getting the ball.

He doesn't have to. He was by far the Giants most targeted player.

He's in a contract year and looking for big $$. On another team his numbers may not be what they were in New York. Rams aren't going to throw to him 10 times a game. If he came here, he'd have to be OK with it.

 

[Mackeyser]

I don’t remember that being his reputation in New York. He’ll get upset about losing or a poor performance, but he was more than happy when teammates made the big plays, and Eli made plenty of mistakes and I never saw him cuss him out.

Damon Harrison said this in February: “I have yet to see him complain on the sideline about not getting the ball. It’s other things. If it’s not going right he shows his emotions, and that’s how he chooses to lead, and he’s a leader. He’s a leader of this football team despite what everybody may believe.”

I do remember that Sammy Watkins complained during his time in Buffalo, though.

I feel like OBJ’s flaws are getting exaggerated at this point. He’s shown immaturity but some of the stuff being presented as fact in this thread hasn’t actually happened in reality.

Yeah, I see that, too.

He's a person who desperately wants to win. For folks that like who don't have the emotional depth to handle failure, losing can be almost suffocating.

AD not only got kicked out of a game when we were losing, but he refused to sign a standard "i'm the best at my position" contract because he didn't see winning on the horizon.

Doesn't excuse the behavior, but it in large part explains it.

Also, winning changes much/most of it.

 

[XXXIVwin]

OJB isn't like the rest. I haven't seen one other NFL player act like a dog pissing on a goal post.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr5IGBhaUJA



View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5dmqGg6Ccvw

 

[Karate61]

OJB isn't like the rest. I haven't seen one other NFL player act like a dog pissing on a goal post.

I was shocked when I first saw this. But, just to point out, he did this in reaction to the President's comment referring to players as "bitches" with the whole kneeling to the flag crap. So, at least he had a reason behind it, other then doing it off handed like some whacko.

 

[Merlin]

I feel like OBJ’s flaws are getting exaggerated at this point. He’s shown immaturity but some of the stuff being presented as fact in this thread hasn’t actually happened in reality.

I do agree some of his flaws have been exaggerated. To a small degree. But those flaws are why a HoF level player is on the market right now. So no matter how you slice it his flaws are real.

And irt @Mackeyser's notes on how good our young HC is... THAT is why I am concerned about the Rams adding him. It is possible to bring in more high maintenance type talent than a young coach can deal with, and that would be a damn shame given the trajectory of this team under this fine staff.

As I mentioned before IF it were just OBJ, well, I probably would have been fine with it. But on top of the other three, all being larger than life personalities in the locker room... Meh. How bout we just start lockin down the damn players who deserve it on our own roster.

 

[SAK11]

He doesn't have to. He was by far the Giants most targeted player.

He's in a contract year and looking for big $$. On another team his numbers may not be what they were in New York. Rams aren't going to throw to him 10 times a game. If he came here, he'd have to be OK with it.

I think he’d still get plenty of targets here. There would likely be some games where he doesn’t get as many looks, but he’s too talented and too good to not get his fair share of targets. Woods, a lesser player than him, saw over 7 targets per game last year. Garçon saw close to 120 targets in McVay’s offense the year before.
Kupp and Woods are a solid duo but they’re not great and that’s an area we can improve in. Last season, the offense had great health and Gurley played like a man possessed. It’ll be hard to get those things quite that great again, plus they lost Watkins. There’s a decent chance this offense could take a step back if they stand pat.
With OBJ, McVay would still spread the ball around, but OBJ would get the most looks. Maybe not 165 targets, but 130-140 (8-9 per game) could happen. If he got that while winning and playing in a great offense, I think he’d be plenty happy.

Now not wanting to give up the asking price, and/or pay him 20M per year I understand. Regardless, WR is an area I think the Rams need to improve. OBJ is the potential homerun move, but there are other, less risky/ costly moves that could be made.

 

[jrry32]

The first time Goff overthrows OBJ or targets Woods or Kupp more than him, he's going to start running his mouth complaining and acting like 4 year old, and it will continue every day until the Rams get rid of him. It's just what he does.

That was also Watkins's reputation.

 

[Akrasian]

Now not wanting to give up the asking price, and/or pay him 20M per year I understand. Regardless, WR is an area I think the Rams need to improve. OBJ is the potential homerun move, but there are other, less risky/ costly moves that could be made.

I think a number of us are less concerned about his on field antics than the pthe rice to get him, combined with the dangers exposed by the leaked video. Spending a bunch of picks and guaranteed money on somebody begging to be suspended is risky

 

[nighttrain]

I think a number of us are less concerned about his on field antics than the pthe rice to get him, combined with the dangers exposed by the leaked video. Spending a bunch of picks and guaranteed money on somebody begging to be suspended is risky

That video was rigged, made by that woman to try and blackmail OBJ, look at it. it was filmed by a camera in her purse, had to be.
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[Mackeyser]

If I were him and I didn't partake, I'd insist on an NFL sanctioned drug test.

That'd clear everything up.

 

[Akrasian]

That video was rigged, made by that woman to try and blackmail OBJ, look at it. it was filmed by a camera in her purse, had to be.
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Looked like it was filmed by a third person from their phone, trying to be surreptitious. But you notice, besides having what looked like a blunt in one hand, he was not objecting to her cutting lines a foot away from him. It seemed to be no big deal. In short, I would be very surprised if it weren't real.

If it were done by a camera hidden in her purse - how come the shot was moving while the woman was on the bed with OBJ?

 

[nighttrain]

Looked like it was filmed by a third person from their phone, trying to be surreptitious. But you notice, besides having what looked like a blunt in one hand, he was not objecting to her cutting lines a foot away from him. It seemed to be no big deal. In short, I would be very surprised if it weren't real.

If it were done by a camera hidden in her purse - how come the shot was moving while the woman was on the bed with OBJ?

still was a setup, somebody trying to make a buck off of a famous person
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[Akrasian]

still was a setup, somebody trying to make a buck off of a famous person
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Make a buck off of a famous person doing drugs, despite wanting a huge contract and knowing he could be suspended for it. It's a risk. Maybe one that can be justified if the Rams do enough investigation, but a risk nevertheless.

 

[Mackeyser]

Well, unless NY stops sniffing their own balls, OBJ is gonna be their headache into the foreseeable future.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Two OBJ vids: first, “highlights” of his continuing feud with Josh Norman. OBJ was totally out of control in this game. Not good. I “think” McVay would be more successful in reining this in.
Second vid, more sympathetic, one on one interview with Randy Moss.

View: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000605411/Odell-Beckham-Jr-vs-Josh-Norman-highlights


View: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18050789

 

[den-the-coach]

From Peter King-- [www.si.com]

There’s too much smoke around the Odell Beckham Jr.-to-the-Rams trade story to dismiss it.

First it was Giants CEO John Mara saying in Orlando: “I want him to be a Giant. I can’t promise that’s going to happen.” Then it was the Rams doing nothing to debunk the rumors of their interest. Then it was Beckham, according to the New York Daily News, telling Rams players he would like to play there. Here’s what I think now: The Rams are definitely interested. The price tag—likely two first-round picks plus a contract averaging at least $18 million a year—is daunting and could eventually roadblock L.A., but that’s not happening now. If the Giants move Beckham, the Rams will be in the game till the end.

There’s no way Giants coach Pat Shurmur would want Beckham traded; Shurmur took the job in January believing he’d have Beckham as his biggest weapon. Shurmur’s desire isn’t going to be what decides this, but it’s a factor. On the other hand, Rams coach Sean McVay isn’t afraid of taking on the mercurial Beckham.

This isn’t an easy one to decipher. The Giants already have a short fuse with the immature Beckham. He lives in Los Angeles in the offseason and could make it very hard on the Giants and their rookie head coach by not showing up for any of the offseason work, and holding out well into the summer. They may decide he’s not worth the trouble, and take two low first-rounders for him, and save all that cap money they’d have to pay him long-term—realizing full well it’s a deal they could soon regret. Look at GM Dave Gettleman’s history in Carolina. He had a big veteran star, Josh Norman, about to be a contract-related distraction for the Panthers in 2016. Gettleman’s solution was simply to cut him loose. If you told Gettleman he could get two first-round picks for a huge headache … well, I don’t have to draw you a map.

I’d feel more confident that the Giants would dump Beckham, except for one thing: I covered the Giants in the eighties, and I remember how Giants scion Wellington Mara, John’s father, overlooked all the headaches the great Lawrence Taylor gave the franchise for years, because of his transcendent talent. I saw Wellington Mara get emotional with Taylor after he played a heroic 1987 game. Mara knew how important Taylor was to his team. John Mara is very much like his father. So there’s that. This one’s a conundrum.

Yes, Beckham is worth two ones. The narrative in some NFL quarters that Beckham is not worth two first-round draft picks in trade—especially two late first-round picks, as would likely be the case if the Giants traded with the Rams.