Odell Beckham available for trade?

[Mackeyser]

Another idle question for all— any guesses as to how teams work around the “no tampering” rules?

Suppose, as a recruiting tool, McVay wants OBJ to know how he would be used in the Rams’ offense. What’s to prevent McVay from telling this info to a player who is a “friend of a friend” of OBJ, who then passes it on to OBJ himself?

Just wonder if these “no communication” rules are strictly enforced— or routinely bent or broken.

I bet if McVay or Snead want to communicate a specific message of some sort to OBJ, they could do so through a third party somehow.

They don't need to do that although it's been done in the past that way.

All they need to do is use "hypothetically" before every sentence (or say they did) and they can avoid most tampering issues.

Honestly, they need to change it because as of right now, it's not possible for teams to logistically make smart trades without tampering.

It's like holding. If they called it every time it happened, they'd never get an offensive play off. So, instead we get this...thing where OL hold on every play and hope that they don't get called.

If teams were punished every time there was tampering, there'd be lots of draft picks seized and teams would be forced to make huge leaps of faith and some trades would just look idiotic in retrospect.

Just like with holding, they should fix it so that everyone is playing within the rules, but... they won't.

 

[tomas]

 

[rams56]

I know I'm late to this thread.... I've been thinking watching and reading.....and here are a couple of my thoughts on this possible trade......

I trust Snead/Mcvay.... so whatever they decide to do.... trade, No trade.... I'm good.
Now from my perspective. ...

OBJ as a wr....is a huge upgrade talent wise.....no doubt about it... It's all the other noise the brass will have to sort through and ultimately decide his true value. Is a 1st round pick enough? One twitter source suggests that what's on the table now is 23 this year and either Havenstein or Kupp. Two much???? I feel like Beckham is an upgrade over Watkins. ... but is he an upgrade over Watkins and Kupp and a first round talent, or over Watkins and our starting Right Tackle and our number 23 over all? Are we willing to mess with the chemistry of our starting offensive line? Im not sure you create more holes to get 1 player when winning will be what fills seats in a new stadium.

Do the Rams wait a bit and see if the Giants lower they're asking price? If they went ahead and traded for OBJ at the current asking price ( which imho is right on par for what his talent is actually worth...minus the nonsense )... it kind of parts way with they're recent operating procedure... at least in my mind... of paying a Lil less (trade value) for a great talent with.... Possible.... negative personality traits.

Finally I'm not concerned about the salary cap next year as I believe there are ways to fit all our young talent into long term deals even if we have Beckham. ... (Especially with the reported $100 million in salary cap space next year) by simply moving around money in a contract so your only paying large amounts of money to a couple of players per year.... although to be honest. ..this is more of my own personal theory. .. than actual know how.

We will see how this all shakes out...

Go Rams.......

 

[Prime Time]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ley-would-be-awesome-to-add-odell-beckham-jr/

Todd Gurley: Would be “awesome” to add Odell Beckham Jr.
Posted by Darin Gantt on March 30, 2018

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Rams running back Todd Gurley would be happy to give up a few touches, if it meant adding a player the caliber of Odell Beckham Jr.

Gurley was fired up about the rumored and at-this-point hypothetical possibility of the Rams trading for the Giants star, though he made it clear he thought he and coach Sean McVay and quarterback Jared Goff could make it work within the framework of an already good offense.

“Oh yeah, that’s my guy,” Gurley said of Beckham, via Gary Klein of the Los Angeles Times. “There’s always enough snaps. There’s always enough snaps.

“If we had him, man, it would be awesome. I’d be happy, Goff will be happy, coach McVay will be happy, [owner Stan] Kroenke, the whole team would be.”

Gurley was less forthcoming with confirmation that he had talked to Beckham about the possibility. There was a report that Beckham had told a couple of Rams players he was hoping to go there, but Gurley wasn’t going to admit to being one of them.

“Hmm, I don’t want to say all that,” Gurley said. “That’s my boy.”

The Rams are in the enviable position of having a quarterback on a cheap rookie contract, and the flexibility that comes with cap space not-yet-tied-up in lucrative extensions for many stars. And that means that while talk of adding another one might be premature, it’s possible, and that’s enough to get people excited.

 

[Ram_Rally]

View: https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/979593602048372736?s=20



You guys can relax now

Strange consideredc rappapport and schefter each reported that we made an offer

 

[BonifayRam]

Salary cap impact of Ndamukong Suh's fully guaranteed $14M contract

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/20...ong-suh-salary-cap-contract-fully-guaranteed/
By: Cameron DaSilva

The Los Angeles Rams weren’t playing around in their negotiations with Ndamukong Suh. They wanted to land him, and they wanted to do so badly.


According to Albert Breer, his one-year, $14 million deal is fully guaranteed with incentives that can push it to $15 million. That’s a huge amount of money to fully guarantee a player for one season, almost working as a franchise tag, of sorts. Granted, he’s one of the best defensive linemen in the league, and he’ll cost the Rams less than Sammy Watkins would have on the franchise tag.

It’s unclear exactly what the incentives are, but they’re unlikely to do with being active on gameday. Suh has never missed a start due to injury and has played 99 consecutive games dating back to 2011. That year, he was suspended two games for stepping on a player.


So how exactly does this contract impact the Rams’ salary cap? Well, it essentially cuts their available space in half. According to Over The Cap, the Rams had about $24 million in cap space before signing Suh. His contract drops that number to $10 million, and that’s without John Sullivan’s two-year, $10 million deal, which incentives can increase to $15 million.


So really, the Rams are down to about $2.5 million in cap space. It doesn’t take a mathematician to know that’s not much money, especially with Los Angeles still needing to pay its rookie class in the coming months.


Not to mention, Aaron Donald still needs a contract extension, which will take some restructures and releases of other players to make happen. This is what makes an Odell Beckham Jr. trade so difficult to fathom, especially given his desire for a contract that will pay him $20 million per year.

@flv ROD's $$$ contact clarify-er

 

[CGI_Ram]

Salary cap impact of Ndamukong Suh's fully guaranteed $14M contract

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/20...ong-suh-salary-cap-contract-fully-guaranteed/
By: Cameron DaSilva

The Los Angeles Rams weren’t playing around in their negotiations with Ndamukong Suh. They wanted to land him, and they wanted to do so badly.


According to Albert Breer, his one-year, $14 million deal is fully guaranteed with incentives that can push it to $15 million. That’s a huge amount of money to fully guarantee a player for one season, almost working as a franchise tag, of sorts. Granted, he’s one of the best defensive linemen in the league, and he’ll cost the Rams less than Sammy Watkins would have on the franchise tag.

It’s unclear exactly what the incentives are, but they’re unlikely to do with being active on gameday. Suh has never missed a start due to injury and has played 99 consecutive games dating back to 2011. That year, he was suspended two games for stepping on a player.


So how exactly does this contract impact the Rams’ salary cap? Well, it essentially cuts their available space in half. According to Over The Cap, the Rams had about $24 million in cap space before signing Suh. His contract drops that number to $10 million, and that’s without John Sullivan’s two-year, $10 million deal, which incentives can increase to $15 million.


So really, the Rams are down to about $2.5 million in cap space. It doesn’t take a mathematician to know that’s not much money, especially with Los Angeles still needing to pay its rookie class in the coming months.


Not to mention, Aaron Donald still needs a contract extension, which will take some restructures and releases of other players to make happen. This is what makes an Odell Beckham Jr. trade so difficult to fathom, especially given his desire for a contract that will pay him $20 million per year.

@flv

It would help to get Joyner under a long term deal. That would lower his 2018 cap hit.

 

[OldSchool]

Salary cap impact of Ndamukong Suh's fully guaranteed $14M contract

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/20...ong-suh-salary-cap-contract-fully-guaranteed/
By: Cameron DaSilva

The Los Angeles Rams weren’t playing around in their negotiations with Ndamukong Suh. They wanted to land him, and they wanted to do so badly.


According to Albert Breer, his one-year, $14 million deal is fully guaranteed with incentives that can push it to $15 million. That’s a huge amount of money to fully guarantee a player for one season, almost working as a franchise tag, of sorts. Granted, he’s one of the best defensive linemen in the league, and he’ll cost the Rams less than Sammy Watkins would have on the franchise tag.

It’s unclear exactly what the incentives are, but they’re unlikely to do with being active on gameday. Suh has never missed a start due to injury and has played 99 consecutive games dating back to 2011. That year, he was suspended two games for stepping on a player.


So how exactly does this contract impact the Rams’ salary cap? Well, it essentially cuts their available space in half. According to Over The Cap, the Rams had about $24 million in cap space before signing Suh. His contract drops that number to $10 million, and that’s without John Sullivan’s two-year, $10 million deal, which incentives can increase to $15 million.


So really, the Rams are down to about $2.5 million in cap space. It doesn’t take a mathematician to know that’s not much money, especially with Los Angeles still needing to pay its rookie class in the coming months.


Not to mention, Aaron Donald still needs a contract extension, which will take some restructures and releases of other players to make happen. This is what makes an Odell Beckham Jr. trade so difficult to fathom, especially given his desire for a contract that will pay him $20 million per year.

@flv

But but but we can afford to pay all the players!!!

 

[OldSchool]

It would help to get Joyner under a long term deal. That would lower his 2018 cap hit.

Possibly, but not guaranteed and by how much? Maybe a couple million at most. Not enough to make a difference with extending OBJ this year.

 

[BonifayRam]

But but but we can afford to pay all the players!!!

There's not much PORK on this Rams 2018 contracts listing....Rams might get $5 mil from our only remaining starting LB'er Mark Barron cut. This cut would hurt the defense.

CB Kayvon Webster is in a bad position because he can be cut & save $3.5 million. KW might be our 5th or 6th corner currently. Both Barron & Webster are unhealthy & rehabbing from surgeries at the moment.

Rams could move into a new contract extension with Rodger Saffold near $8 mil this season contract & re-up him for a long term contract & get him to take less this season.

 

[OldSchool]

CB Kayvon Webster is in a bad position because he can be cut & save $3.5 million. KW might be our 5th or 6th corner currently. Both Barron & Webster are unhealthy & rehabbing from surgeries at the moment.

Rams could move into a new contract extension with Rodger Saffold near $8 mil this season contract & re-up him for a long term contract & get him to take less this season.

The two most likely things to happen IMO.

 

[Akrasian]

Joyner can be extended - it would take a big signing bonus, which I know the Rams prefer not to do. That can pay him this year with a lowered cap hit, though the cap hit is shifted to future years.

Keep in mind that Over The Cap's numbers do not include the practice squad - which is about 1.25 million or so, and does not include a safety margin that every team keeps - usually between $3-5 million, to cover injuries, signing bonuses for UDFAs that end up not making the team, etc. Last year the Rams kept about $5 million for that purpose.

 

[A55VA6]

Goff's most recent follows on twitter?

Dominique Easley, Ndamukong Suh, and.... Odell Beckham Jr.

 

[Legatron4]

Goff's most recent follows on twitter?

Dominique Easley, Ndamukong Suh, and.... Odell Beckham Jr.

Sadly in this day and age that actually means something. Interesting. I hope we don’t give up the farm for him.

 

[Akrasian]

He also follows Deshaun Watson and Dak Prescott, among many hundreds of others (mostly athletes). I wouldn't read too much into it.

 

[Corbin]

Salary cap impact of Ndamukong Suh's fully guaranteed $14M contract

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/20...ong-suh-salary-cap-contract-fully-guaranteed/
By: Cameron DaSilva

The Los Angeles Rams weren’t playing around in their negotiations with Ndamukong Suh. They wanted to land him, and they wanted to do so badly.


According to Albert Breer, his one-year, $14 million deal is fully guaranteed with incentives that can push it to $15 million. That’s a huge amount of money to fully guarantee a player for one season, almost working as a franchise tag, of sorts. Granted, he’s one of the best defensive linemen in the league, and he’ll cost the Rams less than Sammy Watkins would have on the franchise tag.

It’s unclear exactly what the incentives are, but they’re unlikely to do with being active on gameday. Suh has never missed a start due to injury and has played 99 consecutive games dating back to 2011. That year, he was suspended two games for stepping on a player.


So how exactly does this contract impact the Rams’ salary cap? Well, it essentially cuts their available space in half. According to Over The Cap, the Rams had about $24 million in cap space before signing Suh. His contract drops that number to $10 million, and that’s without John Sullivan’s two-year, $10 million deal, which incentives can increase to $15 million.


So really, the Rams are down to about $2.5 million in cap space. It doesn’t take a mathematician to know that’s not much money, especially with Los Angeles still needing to pay its rookie class in the coming months.


Not to mention, Aaron Donald still needs a contract extension, which will take some restructures and releases of other players to make happen. This is what makes an Odell Beckham Jr. trade so difficult to fathom, especially given his desire for a contract that will pay him $20 million per year.

@flv ROD's $$$ contact clarify-er

No but but but let's trade for Beckham still!! That makes mathematical sense!

 

[Mackeyser]

No but but but let's trade for Beckham still!! That makes mathematical sense!

Well, I think Khalil Mack just killed whatever chance we had.

By asking for $22M/yr, a) he doesn't give a shit about winning because NO teams have won with defensive players making that much and b) he's specifically creating a condition whereby elite defenders have a market that kills teams.

Honestly, if AD wants more than $20M/yr, unless the structure is super creative, I'm just not okay with that.

Honestly, I'm not okay with Cousin's contract or Jimmy G's contract either.

The more the knuckleheads get that "me first" attitude when it comes to business, it's easier as a fan to endorse the Patriot way and NEVER pay top dollar to players...ever.

If anything, Suh proved what a mistake it is to do that.

 

[Corbin]

Well, I think Khalil Mack just killed whatever chance we had.

By asking for $22M/yr, a) he doesn't give a crap about winning because NO teams have won with defensive players making that much and b) he's specifically creating a condition whereby elite defenders have a market that kills teams.

Honestly, if AD wants more than $20M/yr, unless the structure is super creative, I'm just not okay with that.

Honestly, I'm not okay with Cousin's contract or Jimmy G's contract either.

The more the knuckleheads get that "me first" attitude when it comes to business, it's easier as a fan to endorse the Patriot way and NEVER pay top dollar to players...ever.

If anything, Suh proved what a mistake it is to do that.

Honestly it's just a progression of the game, it was the same when X player was the first 10 million dollar player, so on and so forth until today. If we want to play in the best of the best player on our team game they have to be paid like #1 and that's just a reality. Which is why I still don't get Rams fans infatuation with OBJ, mathematically it doesn't work and he's not willing to work with us whatsoever. Donald's contract won't hamper us in the future and obviously any money will have to be differed for the remainder of the contract. Both sides just need to come to an agreement.

You don't win championships with a #1 offense, we need to keep together and complete our team which we are doing with the D and if we want to keep the best defensive player in the league he's going to be the highest paid ever. Next year that will change when someone gets more money and so on and so forth. I'm just ready to set the boundaries sign him and move on.

 

[jrry32]

Salary cap impact of Ndamukong Suh's fully guaranteed $14M contract

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/20...ong-suh-salary-cap-contract-fully-guaranteed/
By: Cameron DaSilva

The Los Angeles Rams weren’t playing around in their negotiations with Ndamukong Suh. They wanted to land him, and they wanted to do so badly.


According to Albert Breer, his one-year, $14 million deal is fully guaranteed with incentives that can push it to $15 million. That’s a huge amount of money to fully guarantee a player for one season, almost working as a franchise tag, of sorts. Granted, he’s one of the best defensive linemen in the league, and he’ll cost the Rams less than Sammy Watkins would have on the franchise tag.

It’s unclear exactly what the incentives are, but they’re unlikely to do with being active on gameday. Suh has never missed a start due to injury and has played 99 consecutive games dating back to 2011. That year, he was suspended two games for stepping on a player.


So how exactly does this contract impact the Rams’ salary cap? Well, it essentially cuts their available space in half. According to Over The Cap, the Rams had about $24 million in cap space before signing Suh. His contract drops that number to $10 million, and that’s without John Sullivan’s two-year, $10 million deal, which incentives can increase to $15 million.


So really, the Rams are down to about $2.5 million in cap space. It doesn’t take a mathematician to know that’s not much money, especially with Los Angeles still needing to pay its rookie class in the coming months.


Not to mention, Aaron Donald still needs a contract extension, which will take some restructures and releases of other players to make happen. This is what makes an Odell Beckham Jr. trade so difficult to fathom, especially given his desire for a contract that will pay him $20 million per year.

@flv ROD's $$$ contact clarify-er

Overthecap is good for what they do, but I'm not going to trust their work (and this writer's work) over Demoff. When have we ever been in cap trouble under Demoff? The guy knows what he's doing. I bet their numbers aren't accurate.

 

[XXXIVwin]

What I want for the Rams is an elite WR who forces the D to respect the deep threat. McVay’s recent comments tell me that Sammy was a huge, huge loss.

If I thought the Rams could replace Sammy in a different way, I wouldn’t be so gung-ho for OBJ. But I don’t see any other good fixes out there.

No elite WR in draft for us has been discussed.

Josh Reynolds could be a fine player, but it is far fetched to think he could strike fear into defenses like Sammy or OBJ.

And Mike Thomas? Please.

I just think OBJ is exactly the kind of weapon that opens up the intermediate routes for Woods and Kupp.

Yes, OBJ is a risk. But he is a passionate player with HOF talent. I truly believe OBJ is the missing piece for the Rams 2018 offense.

Maybe I’m being optimistic, but I think OBJ has gotten so much ridicule for his antics that he might (finally) be able to grow up a little and tone it down.

Regardless, IMO his skill set is just too valuable to pass up. Without a reliable deep threat, McVay’s offense will suffer. But with OBJ, I think this O can repeat their 2017 success.

IMO, OBJ is the last missing piece to elevate the 2018 Rams O from “good” to “elite.”

And Killer O + Killer D + Killer ST= Championship.